Aimbot finds and shoots aimbot but kills BF2

[HkSniper]

Re: Aimbot finds and shoots aimbot but kills BF2

Cheats exist in Battlefield 2, and it is not known if it is a HUGE problem or not.

There are actually videos you can find on youtube of such cheats. That company you mention of runs in a very, you could say 'professional' manner...What happens is PB will buy the cheat or somehow get their hands on it. Then put it into their database. When that happens the company will put out a little alert for their paying customers...release a quick and fix there you go. Back in the game, no worries on bans, and continued income. (From punkbuster...and their 'real' customers.)

The cheat that this company provides is a lot more complex than many of you think, On youtube I've seen a video of the cheat as I mentioned before, and it is a complex menu with many different options if you read closely (even has winamp controls.) Things such as chams...name hacks (that show health and even if they are reloading their weapon or not.) and even up to aimbots.

With something like this out there, cheating is going to be almost impossible to stop. More than likely you'll hear about this company over and over again throughout your gaming 'career'.

[Canuck]

Re: Aimbot finds and shoots aimbot but kills BF2

we enabled (for a while) - 'free cam' and I spent hours studying the movement of suspected cheaters in our server - and it was HARD work and VERY time consuming;

spent about a week learning how to set up Battle Recorder

now I study the battle logs all the time

I announce to all the other clanmates to watch for certain traits

if confirmed by at least one other guy - we kick - sometimes banned if we are certain

my guess is TONNES of them (based on observation)

we used to see them (more than 1 per game)

but guess maybe (hopefully) word is out we police our server and keep it fairly clean
now, we see less than 1 per day = vs few per game
and to any we may have kicked in error
here is another public apology from me and from our clan
most have come to our forums, asked for an explanation, and, if after a finer review of the game logs - we might have been wrong = we unban them

Ok, I need to ask, why are you doing all this? You're a server owner. If you suspect somebody of using a cheat all you have to do is check the pbss in your server pb file. Verification complete.
Are you streaming the MBL, if not, why not??

You say you see a cheater one per day. Over 4 years I have suspected only one and that was for using a video driver cheat. (I've seen a number of players kicked due to hack violations, but just never anybody that stood out).

The reason is probably because 80% of the playes on the MBL confirmed using hacks have stats that truely suck (0.45 -0.95 KDRs), and they are the players u normally find at the bottom of the scoreboard. If you don't believe me, check it out for yourself.

I pretty much suck at BF2, but my son is really good. Most of the time he finishes at the top of the scoreboard. He's been kicked numerous times from servers and banned from a few servers because people like you can't believe anybody can be that good. Why is he that good? Because he has played BF competitively for 4 years. And in CAL there are plenty of players even much better than him.

Seeing him getting regularly accused and kicked is the main reason I don't believe that there are as many cheaters as people like to think.

For me I guess, I just see people crying wolf much to often.

[imported_Killa4live]

Re: Aimbot finds and shoots aimbot but kills BF2

PS:

XYZ was the username of someone in SOF2, which hacked my PC, and was able to get superrights of the RPM-mod. So that "Lets call it XYZ" doesnt have to be a John Doe name if u get the point.

[imported_Wasp]

Re: Aimbot finds and shoots aimbot but kills BF2

Ok, I need to ask, why are you doing all this? You're a server owner. If you suspect somebody of using a cheat all you have to do is check the pbss in your server pb file. Verification complete.
Are you streaming the MBL, if not, why not??

You say you see a cheater one per day. Over 4 years I have suspected only one and that was for using a video driver cheat. (I've seen a number of players kicked due to hack violations, but just never anybody that stood out).

The reason is probably because 80% of the playes on the MBL confirmed using hacks have stats that truely suck (0.45 -0.95 KDRs), and they are the players u normally find at the bottom of the scoreboard. If you don't believe me, check it out for yourself.

I pretty much suck at BF2, but my son is really good. Most of the time he finishes at the top of the scoreboard. He's been kicked numerous times from servers and banned from a few servers because people like you can't believe anybody can be that good. Why is he that good? Because he has played BF competitively for 4 years. And in CAL there are plenty of players even much better than him.

Seeing him getting regularly accused and kicked is the main reason I don't believe that there are as many cheaters as people like to think.

For me I guess, I just see people crying wolf much to often.

If you think only bad players use cheats you need to get your head out of
your behind. The people you find on the ban lists are for the most part
careless noobs who use public cheats. I'll tell you a little story. One of the
best infantry players I know was so upset about a baseraper that he took a
screenshot and posted it on a forum. What he forgot was to turn off the
"extra features" he used ingame.

I've seen good clans go under because members have been caught by PB
screens. I've seen players get busted because they have posted screens to
brag about their score and cheats have been visible behind the score board.
Hell at one point even a member of a national BF team got caught.

The best weapon against these cheaters are PB screens. Most gaming leagues
dont require this unfortunately.

[graag]

Re: Aimbot finds and shoots aimbot but kills BF2

What's Crazycanuck trying to say is that battlerecorder is useless compared to Punkbuster screenshots. There's no first person view and you can't be 100% sure if a player is cheating or not. With pbss you get to see exactly what player sees - even that "undetectable" cheats from the well known company.

He also mentioned MBL (Master Ban List). Punkbuster in its default configuration DOESN'T check for a lot of well known cheats and DOESN'T ban cheaters that were caught using those cheats on this or other servers. Only cheaters that try to prevent PB's functioning are globally banned. If you want more than this limited protection the server has to participate in a MBL service like http://www.punksbusted.com - the service is free and you can see some stats at http://www.punksbusted.com/cgi-bin/membership/index.cgi

As for good aimbot searching for bad aimbots: it's a bad idea. Who will control the controllers?

[Linus]

Re: Aimbot finds and shoots aimbot but kills BF2

Cheats exist in Battlefield 2, and it is not known if it is a HUGE problem or not.

There are actually videos you can find on youtube of such cheats. That company you mention of runs in a very, you could say 'professional' manner...What happens is PB will buy the cheat or somehow get their hands on it. Then put it into their database. When that happens the company will put out a little alert for their paying customers...release a quick and fix there you go. Back in the game, no worries on bans, and continued income. (From punkbuster...and their 'real' customers.)

The cheat that this company provides is a lot more complex than many of you think, On youtube I've seen a video of the cheat as I mentioned before, and it is a complex menu with many different options if you read closely (even has winamp controls.) Things such as chams...name hacks (that show health and even if they are reloading their weapon or not.) and even up to aimbots.

With something like this out there, cheating is going to be almost impossible to stop. More than likely you'll hear about this company over and over again throughout your gaming 'career'.

What fairy tale world do you live in, dude?

Heres the FACTS.

The cheat (pretty sure its the same one he was referring too..) has been
downloaded 3450 times. I consider that a HUGE problem, YEP.

The cheat STILL WORKS. YEP.

Punkbuster is useless, always has been, always will be. This little fairy tale
you dreamt up where they sell EA the cheat and EA institutes it into their
database is HOGWASH.

Learn what the hell youre talking about before you open your mouth and
make a fool of yourself next time..

Punkbuster is a project that has long been abandoned, and its only there to
make you feel all tingly inside.. Like everything else EA is connected too, its
old, unsupported, outdated, unmonitored, and yes, USELESS.

EA Games are a DREAM to crack/hack writers. When EA issues a new game,
their mouths start to water.

[Canuck]

Re: Aimbot finds and shoots aimbot but kills BF2

What's Crazycanuck trying to say is that battlerecorder is useless compared to Punkbuster screenshots. There's no first person view and you can't be 100% sure if a player is cheating or not. With pbss you get to see exactly what player sees - even that "undetectable" cheats from the well known company.

He also mentioned MBL (Master Ban List). Punkbuster in its default configuration DOESN'T check for a lot of well known cheats and DOESN'T ban cheaters that were caught using those cheats on this or other servers. Only cheaters that try to prevent PB's functioning are globally banned. If you want more than this limited protection the server has to participate in a MBL service like http://www.punksbusted.com - the service is free and you can see some stats at http://www.punksbusted.com/cgi-bin/membership/index.cgi

As for good aimbot searching for bad aimbots: it's a bad idea. Who will control the controllers?

Thank you, well said.

It amazes me that after all this time people still don't understand how PB works, even as server admins, they don't know how to use it to screen for cheats.
More servers admins need to get their servers streaming the MBL.

That link you gave to the stats really puts the number of players using hacks in perspective compared to other games. Pretty darn close to what I always figured, on average 0.2% of players use hacks.

[IVfluids]

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Thank you, well said.

It amazes me that after all this time people still don't understand how PB works, even as server admins, they don't know how to use it to screen for cheats.
More servers admins need to get their servers streaming the MBL.

That link you gave to the stats really puts the number of players using hacks in perspective compared to other games. Pretty darn close to what I always figured, on average 0.2% of players use hacks.

Better than it was in UT or TO. Just in the league I used to help admin, we had about 1400 active registered users at any given time, and just on my server alone, I nailed 120 people in about 2 months time by sneaking a game specific keybind+keystroke logger into the servers autodownload files, that is almost 10% of the population that actively visited our league at that time for that game. I made the logs public afterwards and had a good laugh with it, a well known cheat scripter actually helped me with it, now that is almost border line on irony.

[HkSniper]

Re: Aimbot finds and shoots aimbot but kills BF2

What fairy tale world do you live in, dude?

Heres the FACTS.

The cheat (pretty sure its the same one he was referring too..) has been
downloaded 3450 times. I consider that a HUGE problem, YEP.

The cheat STILL WORKS. YEP.

Punkbuster is useless, always has been, always will be. This little fairy tale
you dreamt up where they sell EA the cheat and EA institutes it into their
database is HOGWASH.

Learn what the hell youre talking about before you open your mouth and
make a fool of yourself next time..

Punkbuster is a project that has long been abandoned, and its only there to
make you feel all tingly inside.. Like everything else EA is connected too, its
old, unsupported, outdated, unmonitored, and yes, USELESS.

EA Games are a DREAM to crack/hack writers. When EA issues a new game,
their mouths start to water.

It's funny you must resort to flaming me to get a point acrossed. Thank you.

Secondly, they do not ALERT Punkbuster (EA has nothing to do with punkbuster. They only have it in their game. So to tie EA with Punkbuster directly is foolish on your own behalf. )

Punkbuster works undercover like a undercover officer busts drug trafficing. You send an officer in to pose as a buyer...buy the product, then bust it. The second that 'product' is found, the cheaters will work like the drug dealer's. One or two people may get caught, but the others will find out and a fix or workaround will come about to sway the officers (or in this case punkbuster) off the trail and leave them having to again get the product.

Punkbuster has probably gave up on that company, I will hand that to you. But that does not mean every now and then they may get the product (or perhaps pirate it.) to ban it.

As for this number of 3450 times, are you one of those to know this? A huge problem? No. 3450 players cheating compared to the tens of thousands of players online playing is nothing. That's just a small dent. Sure, you may notice someone fishy or such here and there...but most outcrys for cheating is not cheating it's self.

If you wish to discuss a manner such as this, or perhaps start a debate, I'd appreciate it if you would come about in a civilized manner, rather than the way you approached me. This is not a Counter-Strike community, or TWL. We dont go randomly flaming people and pretending to be internet tough guys. :laugh:

[IVfluids]

Re: Aimbot finds and shoots aimbot but kills BF2

It's funny you must resort to flaming me to get a point acrossed. Thank you.

Secondly, they do not ALERT Punkbuster (EA has nothing to do with punkbuster. They only have it in their game. So to tie EA with Punkbuster directly is foolish on your own behalf. )

Punkbuster works undercover like a undercover officer busts drug trafficing. You send an officer in to pose as a buyer...buy the product, then bust it. The second that 'product' is found, the cheaters will work like the drug dealer's. One or two people may get caught, but the others will find out and a fix or workaround will come about to sway the officers (or in this case punkbuster) off the trail and leave them having to again get the product.

Punkbuster has probably gave up on that company, I will hand that to you. But that does not mean every now and then they may get the product (or perhaps pirate it.) to ban it.

As for this number of 3450 times, are you one of those to know this? A huge problem? No. 3450 players cheating compared to the tens of thousands of players online playing is nothing. That's just a small dent. Sure, you may notice someone fishy or such here and there...but most outcrys for cheating is not cheating it's self.

If you wish to discuss a manner such as this, or perhaps start a debate, I'd appreciate it if you would come about in a civilized manner, rather than the way you approached me. This is not a Counter-Strike community, or TWL. We dont go randomly flaming people and pretending to be internet tough guys. :laugh:

I don't think he has actually reads the cheat boards to realize that they actually do give out hw bans and that even the cheaters know that PB updates their scanranges. If PB actually gave up altogether, mp's site wouldn't have a sticky labeled 'New PB ScanRanges'.

Like I said, PB is far from perfect, but coupled with Content Check, BF is actually more secure than a lot of other games I have played. But, I'm not going to bother debating it with him for two reasons, he clearly is set in his mind as am I, and he doesn't seem to know how things actually work. Makes me wonder why he bothers to play this game, or any game that EA releases if he has such a hate-on for them, not that I am a big fan of EA either, but I do enjoy the game and come in playing knowing that any game that is popular is going to be a target for cheating more so than other games, take it as it is.

[Canuck]

Re: Aimbot finds and shoots aimbot but kills BF2

Did you guys look at the link Graag provided? The MBL contains 2627 bans out of 1,315,309 GUIDs checked. 0.2% of the community has used cheats at one time or another over the past year.
That's nothing.

You have to realize that most people will try the hack only once, some download them and never even use them, the ones that do use them on a regular on-going basis are in a very small group.

But some people continue to believe that the man on the moon missions were all a hoax, so I'm sure there will be those that will believe hacks are rampant in BF2 no matter how much evidence to the contrary anybody can produce.

0.2%

[IVfluids]

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...

0.2%

Yah, I saw that, that is why I brought up the thing from the league earlier lol. Another reason I stated that I felt this game was actually more secure than other games I have played. But, like I said, he would rather see it the way he does and I don't think anyone is going to make him change his mind, life goes on

[pistolhamster]

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Hmm, interesting. I guess that once you suspect you ve run into a hacker, you start seeing hackers all over the place for a while. I guess that 0.2% estimated "hackosity" of the BF2 player population is to be expected. It is like parasites and host animals. the host animals will always outnumber the parasites by a lot, else the system breaks down when everyone tries to suck blood from each other. A parasite free world - or hack free gaming world - is quite possibly utopian.

[imported_Killa4live]

Re: Aimbot finds and shoots aimbot but kills BF2

Its offcial, i am GOD, since there seem to be hackers, if i own, i am owning hackers is a possibilty.
I feel so good now.


BCD-1

(Beat Computer Day -1)

However its, EaDBMS-380

(EA and DICE Broke My Soul-380)

[Miniman]

Re: Aimbot finds and shoots aimbot but kills BF2

why can this still happen in punkbuster servers :< all the trouble to gewt PB to run for nothing?