Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

[Retuner]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

We appreciate that, but have you considered making a 'Vehicle-lite' or 'Vehicle-neutered' ranked map option?

Why make a mode that can't be played on all maps of all sizes for all kits? Granted, playing 16-player sized mapped with IO is ok, but anything larger is pretty silly unless you're playing Karkand, Sharqi or Mastuur (have you tried playing IO on 32 or 64 player sized Zatar Wetlands...its 70% running).

Why not:

'Vehicle-lite' ranked map option:

• Replace Tank/APC spawns with Heavy Jeeps
• Replace AA vehicle spawns with Light Jeeps
• Remove Jets
• Replace Littlebird and Attack Helicopters with Transport Helicopters

AND/OR 'Vehicle-neutered' ranked map option:
Same as above except the transport vehicles have their guns removed.




In the modes above ALL maps of ALL map sizes and ALL kits will still be played. Heck, I would play maps other than Karkand, Sharqi and Mastuur if those modes were created.

You probably have noticed that 80% of the playerbase play mosting on Karkand. The reason we like that map is that flags are relatively close and we don't have helicopters and jets to worry about. See we don't like running and having to wait to get into the action, especially now that squad hopping was disabled.

By keeping transport vehicles in for both sides all the maps won't be unbalanced. Have you played Dalian Plant in IO? What happens is US takes all three flags before China even gets to the first flag. Since US has boats they have access to flags much faster than those on foot from the Chinese main base. If transport vehicles were left in then there wouldn't be this unbalance. Also, Chinese SpecOps have never been able to distroy US assets. US having boats on Wake is the same...they can get to any flag much faster than Chinese...its unbalanced.

There are plenty of counters to transport vehicles...TOW, AA guns, AT rockets, AT mines, grenade launcher, grenades or just sustained fired. They are not unbalanced. The game was designed around vehicles, why unbalance it? We are not asking for CS:Source. If you really wanted a pure IO, another expansion pack with maps specifically designed for infantry only should be made.

By removing all vehicles the game we see primarily Medics/Support/Snipers and a few Assault. I think of all the games I've played I saw like 2 Anti-tank and 1 Engineer.

I wouldn't mind having 'Supply-line' ranked map option either...would be more fun than Conquest mode.


Please consider 'Vehicle-lite' and/or 'Vehicle-neutered' ranked map options.

you are a in a good way with spamming :laugh:

[DakotaDoc64]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Why not:

'Vehicle-lite' ranked map option:

• Replace Tank/APC spawns with Heavy Jeeps
• Replace AA vehicle spawns with Light Jeeps
• Remove Jets
• Replace Littlebird and Attack Helicopters with Transport Helicopters

AND/OR 'Vehicle-neutered' ranked map option:
Same as above except the transport vehicles have their guns removed.

I agree. IO is not even close to balanced. Try IO in Road to Jalalabad. The US cannot get into the city. Dalian plant everyone spends the first two minutes running to the first flag. Wake Island, if the China team can capture a boat from the US team that is their only chance of winning. Really the only map I have found so far that really works with this No Armor/IO mode is Songhua Stalemate. Yes that is right not even Karkand or Shaqi. They don't work the best without transport vehicles either. Songhua has boats and you can get to most flags with the boats available, the two at the extreame end will require some walking/running. The map is balanced in IO mode. And this is the ONLY map I have seen in the present Beta 1.4v2 No Vehicle (IO Mode) that really works. Add some transports back in, even with the mounted MG's this will give the AT and Eng guys something to do, otherwise these two classes are dead in no vehicle/IO

If you don't see this, you clearly have not played IO/No Armor on many maps.

[Vintageologist]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

As long as the undo that hp stuff, I don't see why no vehicles would take out balance (only maybe on carrier maps)

And it's hilarious that the name of the creator of this map is PlaneWhore and that it's against IO X-D

[Roy_(NL)]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

I've been playing IO since the release of beta2, and I really don't get why it's so unbalanced according to many of you.

Teamwork is much more important in IO, and unlike some of you said, medics really don't get that much points.
A good sniper or support guy will almost always get more points than a medic.

Try IO in Road to Jalalabad. The US cannot get into the city.

With some teamwork, it's really not that difficult.
Maybe I've just been lucky, but in nearly all IO games I've played, there was very good teamwork on both sides.
I suppose this is because the lone wolfs don't stand much of a chance, and thus quickly go back to 'normal' servers.

[Lazza66]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

DICE are fools for listening to the infantry only campaign. On 16 player maps it'll be fine, but Dragon Valley 64 player on foot, no thanks, I'd rather watch lawn bowls.

DICE should have fessed up that IO game mode is unworkable on non urban maps, and will be an especially boring slog on non urban 64 player maps. Has anyone ever attempted to cross Zatar Wetlands all the way to the MEC base, I reckon it'd take 20 minutes.

If it hadn't been for this ridiculous fixation with IO we might have got a decent alternative game mode like CTF or Push (Desert combat).

[Vintageologist]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

DICE are fools for listening to the infantry only campaign. On 16 player maps it'll be fine, but Dragon Valley 64 player on foot, no thanks, I'd rather watch lawn bowls.

DICE should have fessed up that IO game mode is unworkable on non urban maps, and will be an especially boring slog on non urban 64 player maps. Has anyone ever attempted to cross Zatar Wetlands all the way to the MEC base, I reckon it'd take 20 minutes.

If it hadn't been for this ridiculous fixation with IO we might have got a decent alternative game mode like CTF or Push (Desert combat).

But you do know that there are admins who can also decide which maps are in rotation on their server?

[Roy_(NL)]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Has anyone ever attempted to cross Zatar Wetlands all the way to the MEC base, I reckon it'd take 20 minutes.

Ehm, maybe that's why there're boats?

Those big maps aren't too bad IMO, there's a lot of long-range combat, and most fighting is around the controlpoints in the middle of the map anyway.

[Vintageologist]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Ehm, maybe that's why there're boats?

Those big maps aren't too bad IMO, there's a lot of long-range combat, and most fighting is around the controlpoints in the middle of the map anyway.

And even i fhtere weren't any I don't understand why so many are complaining... it's an OPTION, nobody is forcing you to play IO.

[gx.]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Personaly, I think It would be good to have a vehical or 2 in the IO, Maybe like a humvee(s) with something new, like an m-60 or HK GMG or a blackhawk without minis.

[Vintageologist]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Personaly, I think It would be good to have a vehical or 2 in the IO, Maybe like a humvee(s) with something new, like an m-60 or HK GMG or a blackhawk without minis.

The problem with the Hummers could be that you have guys just driving around running over people who are trying to get to a distant flag without much that could stop them because AT should be quite rare in IO (although it may seem silly on the first look, you know people will always ruin the game where they can so it's good to give them less opportunities to do so in the first place)

[gx.]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

well, they could easly make it m203/nade be a one hit kill on the humvee and make it so there is no bullet resistant glass on it, so you can shoot the driver (bf1242/v style) or nade it.

[Harmor]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

The problem with the Hummers could be that you have guys just driving around running over people who are trying to get to a distant flag without much that could stop them because AT should be quite rare in IO (although it may seem silly on the first look, you know people will always ruin the game where they can so it's good to give them less opportunities to do so in the first place)

Think about it...if there are a bunch of jeeps running around with 1 or more people...wouldn't you see more Anti-tank kits running around? I mean with an AT rocket you can 1-shot a heavy jeep from anywhere but the front.

I don't play Anti-tank kit because anytime I get near enemy armor I always seem to be killed. Forget trying to hit a moving helicopter with an AT rocket (you've no doubt tried killing the MEC helicopter on the top of the TV Station in Sharqi Pensinula).

If you have a 'Vehicle-lite mode ALL kits will be useful. The game was balanced around having vehicles. There are plenty of counters.

'Vehicle-lite ranked map option:

• Replace Tank/APC spawns with Heavy Jeeps
• Replace AA vehicle spawns with Light Jeeps
• Remove Jets
• Replace Littlebird and Attack Helicopters spawns with Transport Helicopters

AND/OR 'Vehicle-neutered' ranked map option:
Same as above except the transport vehicles have their guns removed.

well, they could easly make it m203/nade be a one hit kill on the humvee and make it so there is no bullet resistant glass on it, so you can shoot the driver (bf1242/v style) or nade it.

That would be kewl...if they made it so a M203, if you hit the glass, actually broke though before exploding!!! Would be like having a 'head-shot'!!!

[GeoffRowley]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Some hella good ideas going on, but I doubt this will change anything sadly..

[imported_bigpappa]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

making everything the same would solve the problem

[Sir. Legolas]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

you dont like it because what you name says?

infantry only is a good idea the way it is... can be tweaked a little but i like it anyways