Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Infantry Only mode, a battle of skill.
Pure BF2, a battle of skill AND a battle of challenges.

"Men" play Pure BF2, ******* play IO. I would want to say that... I would really do want to say that, but this has nothing to do with being scared or not being able to handle a threat that is higher on the food chain.

Quite simply this is about stats, and stats only. Players in city maps show and keep on showing that they prefer to toss 5 medic bags before they die by a tank and curse it to bitter death, rather than switch to a kit and have a go at the said tank. Because 5 points is worth more than 2, and that 2 points is binded with a risk of being killed.

So please, lets DO NOT kid ourselves nor anyone else. IO diehard supporters essentially want a non-BF2 game where their stats get recorded.

You play for fun? Im willing to bet your "Ranked" box is ticked...

[Shepherd007]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Interesting poll correlation (from Polls area)...

"How much will you play IO"-
I will play mostly the IO version: 33%

"Do you like the idea of no dolphin diving etc?"-
No! i am teh 1337 dolpin!11: 31%

So around a third of BF2 players want IO, and almost a third like dolphin diving...

You can't tell me that stat padders won't prefer this mode. But, if it gets all of the stat padders off of regular gameplay, maybe the gameplay in the vanilla environment will improve.

[Batausu]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

You can't tell me that stat padders won't prefer this mode. But, if it gets all of the stat padders off of regular gameplay, maybe the gameplay in the vanilla environment will improve.

Good point!
I want as many mods as I can get. IO is ok with me.
Bring me more! (2142 included...)

[Lazza66]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

LoL. you saying that every IO player is a stats padder. i don't think so, there are still people who want to play by rules and earn there points at a fair way. ofcourse there are lamers who act like that, but you got them also in 1.3. they just search a empty place to knife and revive.

The fact that NOBODY is playing 1.4 IO beta UNRANKED is evidence that IO supporters are just point whoring stats padders.

The claim is a level playing field etc, yet these IO supporters can't give up stats just for 1-4 weeks to test and have their input into the new game mode designed just for them.

Something like 0.010 % of Karkand IO padders have tried 1.4 beta. This flies in the face of claims that they are not in it for the points only. In fact there is so little interest the public beta program is under threat.

I GUARANTEE that if 1.4 beta was ranked they'd be there with bells on. And I've not seen nor heard anything at all that would suggest otherwise.

At the time of writing there are 0.00857 % of players playing 1.4 beta, lets say half are playing IO mode, thats a pitiful 0.00425% testing their treasured new game mode, a pitiful insight of their true colours.

My mistake looks like 80% are playing standard Jalalabad. Thats 0.00174 % of the player base at a given moment playing 1.4 Beta IO mode.

[L3adcannon]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

If you don't care about stat, then you don't care about it being ranked right? Everyone will be happy, those who care about stat will not se the system shot down and those who don't will have no problem either way, right?

right, so whats the problem

[LOWrider_NL]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

The fact that NOBODY is playing 1.4 IO beta UNRANKED is evidence that IO supporters are just point whoring stats padders.

I GUARANTEE that if 1.4 beta was ranked they'd be there with bells on. And I've not seen nor heard anything at all that would suggest otherwise.

before you gonna flame, play patch 1.4 by yourself. there are ranked servers (not anymore cause 1.4 full is almost ready) , and the unranked servers are alway's full. and the CORE servers ( NOT IO ) are full aswell. so don't say something you don't know about.

[Jdawg790]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

All speculation...have you tried IO?

An engineer will be used because of the powerful shotgun.

Anti tank has the DAO.

Snipers will become better because they know they have to get the one shot kill now.

Spec Ops are fast and lethal with the C4. They dont' just use that for armor you know.

Assault same as always.

Remember infantry only is up to the server owners. If people complain or the server is empty because no more armor guess what? They'll flip the switch.

Thats what i think as well, maybe it'll take u back to basics and u'll man up without ur tanks and planes a little eh?
I think increased health is kinda stupid, but without it this idea is really good for people who dont PLANEWHORE?

[Lazza66]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

before you gonna flame, play patch 1.4 by yourself. there are ranked servers (not anymore cause 1.4 full is almost ready) , and the unranked servers are alway's full. and the CORE servers ( NOT IO ) are full aswell. so don't say something you don't know about.

Err, lets be truthful they made the IO servers ranked because "of the incredibly low interest". SOME servers are ranked.

Subsequently pleas were issued by admins for more beta testers as the 64 player CORE servers had under 100 players total in the busiest 5 servers, with only a handful playing IO.

Granted the intitial comment that ALL 1.4 beta is unranked is not completely accurate, but the point remains the same.

[imported_Voltage]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

right, so whats the problem

Well, nothing really as far as I'm concerned, making it ranked was my main issue with IO. It will split the community somewhat and is a cop out for fixing maps and vehicles so that more can enjoy them but that's somewhat outweighed by the variety provided by a new option.:)

[LOWrider_NL]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Err, lets be truthful they made the IO servers ranked because "of the incredibly low interest". SOME servers are ranked.

offcourse ONLY oficial EA servers are ranked. not the server from a 12 year old boy. and they where ranked from the beginning.

[Lazza66]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Well, nothing really as far as I'm concerned, making it ranked was my main issue with IO. It will split the community somewhat and is a cop out for fixing maps and vehicles so that more can enjoy them but that's somewhat outweighed by the variety provided by a new option.:)

So you're saying that by removing variety, IO will add variety. Doesn't that strike you as somewhat farcical?

[imported_Voltage]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Well don't jump on me now, I've never felt a need for an IO mode. The Alcatraz custom map made me realize that the infantry battle part alone isn't especially good in BF2. It needs tanks, choppers and jets to be a good game.

[Red Devil]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

How about a Bunny Hopper Only option where you can't walk or run, but have to hop all the time.

[Bungalow_Bill]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Wow, this thread is still alive. I clicked on the feedback forum on accident and like magic there it was.

Let me basically sum up this thread with nothing but facts and shut the stat padders up once and for all.

Fact: The 1.4 BETA 2 servers which are unranked were virtually empty the entire time the testing occured. This is the same exact patch that people are crying for and they could already be playing it but they aren't. Why? Hundreds of threads were created on these and other Battlefield 2 fourms with one simple questions.. "Is 1.4 BETA 2 IO mode ranked?". Why?

Fact: IO mode promotes camping and stalemates. Two kinds of gameplay that DICE otherwise discouraged with previous gameplay/balance decisions.

Fact: The most popular group of Battlefield 2 servers by rank are 24/7 Karkand servers. Strike at Karkand is an otherwise dull map that is poorly designed but it is good for one thing: POINTS! Grenade points, revive points... you name it... it'd be perfect if it wasn't for those pesky tanks and thus IO mode was born. Why else would people play a single map 24/7 in such numbers? Fun? No sadly they play for points. Karkand is the highest SPM map in the game for infantry and that is why it is so popular. I see Karkand whores go to maps like Dalian Plant after getting 120 points as a round as a medic on karkand and on Dalian end up with 20 points. That is a huge drop. With vehicles gone out of Karkand and other maps 150+ points for a medic/support player won't be out of the question.

Fact: Almost every single high-ranking leaderboard players statistics look like this. Most played map: Strike at Karkand (with almost no time on other maps). High revive points, high heal points, high resupply points, high grenade kills/time, high rifle kills/time. Almost zero time spent in vehicles of any kind aside from Vodnik/HMMV (that includes armor, helicopters and airplanes).

Fact: IO mode will produce previously unheard of scores for medic and support players as every map degenerates in to a grenade/revive spamming camping whorefest. This is the number one reason it will be so popular.

Fact: A huge number of players (actual percentage unknown but I'd be willing to guess 40%+) will play a mode they find less entertaining/challenging for a mode that allows them to get more points faster and easier. Karkand is all the proof you need of this phenomina.

Fact: Making IO unranked would make it extremely unpopular though the gameplay would remain unchanged. DICE will not do this however because making IO ranked would result in less ranked servers being purchased and thus less revenue.

Fact: The most popular class in IO mode will be the medic (revives), followed by support (resupply points + grenades) and then sniper (claymores). The assault, engineer, Spec Ops and anti-tank classes will be virtually unplayed in IO mode and why would they be? They're completely irrelevant when that new mode comes in to play.

Fact: IO mode will be one big campfest. Karkand will go something like this. Stalemate on Karkand with support grenades and medic revivers. Both sides camp on their respective side of the fence and toss grenades. The victims of the grenades will be revived by medics and this loop will continue till the round concludes raking in thousands of points that were never earned.

Fact: The number one reason people want IO mode is armor/artillery slows down the rate at which they can gain points and disrupts point whoring gameplay behavior. Example: Tank rolls up and blasts the deeply entrenched support guy spamming grenades. Example: Tanks rolls up and blasts the medic sprinting to revive the person in the middile of the road (when regular small-arms fire would probably not be effective enough to take him down). Example: SPM whore medic/support players refusing to switch to a low-points AT class to deal with armor and as a result end up getting raped the rest of the round by said uncontested armor.

Fact: Knife and Pistls and high points servers are numerous and extremely popular. Why? Do I even need to answer that question? If it wasn't for the whole "you might have statistics reset" looming overheard I have NO doubt a huge chunk of the total number of BF2 players would be playing these servers. Absolutely NO doubt.

All they had to do was make IO mode unranked. Stat padders would've be disinterested, IO would've be a failure and as a result my (normal) fun-oriented gameplay would've remain uneffected.

It's all a bunch of bullshi.t franky and because of Ranked IO mode I won't be buying Battlefield 2142. DICE lost up until this point a loyal customer and I vow never buy a DICE product again. When IO mode comes out it'll be the focus of my next movie. I'll join up on some IO servers, spectate the behavior of the occupants and make it in to a grade-A satire.

[Turnip]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Not everyone plays karkand for points, some play it due to the lack of air vehicles and for the large fire fights. Really I wonder why Maashtur isnt very popular, I guess its to large.