Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

[imported_Joppie1973]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Amen
that is a point

[Turnip]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Disagree, if there are "easy targets" then the game balance that is supposedly built in has failed, simple. If you're suggesting that IO mode is a fix for that it's not. It's a hack, not a fix. It's hacking out all but infantry.

I dont understand what your trying to say, why are easy targets part of the game balance? Is the game balanced to feed someones score or what?

[imported_Voltage]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

IO is a good idea, having it ranked is not. The effects on the stat is not optional. It's not the same as ranked COOP, but on the same scale. It will inflate player KDR as most of the deaths on most maps is not from other infantry but from vehicles.

[Lazza66]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

I dont understand what your trying to say, why are easy targets part of the game balance? Is the game balanced to feed someones score or what?

On the contrary, I said if there are easy targets then the built in balance has failed. Turnip was claiming that those who don't support IO were only doing so as their 'easy targets' would be removed. Now how a tank, heli, or jet presents an easy target for say an APC for example is beyond me anyway.

In hindsight however this isn't true anyway, and in fact part of the skill of the game is to choose a class or equipment that puts you in a position to MAKE others 'easy targets'.

Either way Turnips comments are superficial, and unlike he would claim the purpose of vehicles in BF2 is not simply to make others 'easy targets', that choice is theirs alone.

[Turnip]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

By easy targets I only meant those that lack a good ability to take out enemy vehicles, I was not referring to the rock paper scissors balance. Apparently some people can use AA effectively, and while the majority of those that can will stay on the current air maps; those that lack the ability will move on to the infantry only mode for those maps, which will in turn get rid of the easy targets and decrease the survivability of jets as a whole.

So Im saying all those people moving to "infantry only" in the current system were was fodder for the pilots score, I personally cant down aircrafts at all with the current AA, but Im also not a big fan of getting a group to sit and man them as I find that boring. So I will no longer be feeding those pilots, and someone who knows what they are doing can take my place.

Not to say these people who cant down jets are newbs, but sometimes people who have a low distance scale, or just dont want to spend the time doing something they dont enjoy; or in other words "taking a bullet for the team".

[Lazza66]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

By easy targets I only meant those that lack a good ability to take out enemy vehicles, I was not referring to the rock paper scissors balance. Apparently some people can use AA effectively, and while the majority of those that can will stay on the current air maps; those that lack the ability will move on to the infantry only mode for those maps, which will in turn get rid of the easy targets and decrease the survivability of jets as a whole.

So Im saying all those people moving to "infantry only" in the current system were was fodder for the pilots score, I personally cant down aircrafts at all with the current AA, but Im also not a big fan of getting a group to sit and man them as I find that boring. So I will no longer be feeding those pilots, and someone who knows what they are doing can take my place.

Not to say these people who cant down jets are newbs, but sometimes people who have a low distance scale, or just dont want to spend the time doing something they dont enjoy; or in other words "taking a bullet for the team".

I generally see your point. But to only want to play the type of map in which you are most competitive in my view is just plain lame. In some maps I get completely pwned due to my preferred play style.

Rather than demand a new revision of that map that does suit my play style I'd rather take up the challenge to stop being pwned on those maps. It forces me to go outside my comfort zone and be creative. To me that's a greater challenge, and that's what playing hard and BF2 is all about.

LoL i see many people are afraid of the IO mod.
or afraid being pwnd by some l33t guy hahaha
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you know you have choice wich mod you want to play. if you don't like it then don't spoil some the fun for others who do like the new gamemod.

It's not the IO mod that I'm afraid of, it's...

...the thought of the community splitting into two and halving the number of servers that appeal to me.

...the possibility of DICE making a total mess of IO mode.

...the realisation that we're not getting CTF, Push, or Kidnap, or any one of dozens of exciting possibilities simply because the Karkand spm point whores only have 1 map.

What I am afraid of is that DICE seem more willing to listen to those who whine than those who have bug fix or game development / enhancement suggestions. IO mode is proof of that.

[Turnip]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

I generally see your point. But to only want to play the type of map in which you are most competitive in my view is just plain lame. In some maps I get completely pwned due to my preferred play style.

Rather than demand a new revision of that map that does suit my play style I'd rather take up the challenge to stop being pwned on those maps. It forces me to go outside my comfort zone and be creative. To me that's a greater challenge, and that's what playing hard and BF2 is all about.

This whole mode is because people whine when the AA worked in 1.2, and people whine cause it doesnt work currently, so really its whine if they do whine if they dont. The only way to correct this is by splitting it up like as they are doing. Your being selfish saying it will half the number of servers that appeal to you.


...the possibility of DICE making a total mess of IO mode.

So what if they do, people just wont play it and it will be like it is in 1.3. Really its not something someone who doesnt want it implemented in the first place should be afraid of.

...the realisation that we're not getting CTF, Push, or Kidnap, or any one of dozens of exciting possibilities simply because the Karkand spm point whores only have 1 map.

And I really dont think its taking a long time to implement this thing, its just they like to do stupid things like increase everyones health and crap like that. How hard could it be to make a script that nullifies the vehicle spawn code, a hacker could probably make that in an half hour.

What I am afraid of is that DICE seem more willing to listen to those who whine than those who have bug fix or game development / enhancement suggestions. IO mode is proof of that.

They are still going to fix the bugs, just because they implement an infantry only mode doesnt mean they wont work on other things. And in my opinion infantry only is a game development/enhancement, its not going to replace vanilla BF2 its just going to be another option. Just because you dont agree with it doesnt mean its not going to appeal to everyone.

[squizz]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

The idea of a vehicle-lite option is nice. If they dumbed down the speed on the transport vehicles a little they couldn't be abused and would make the AT a guaranteed played class in IO.

[RS-GodFather]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

No.. Infantry only, would be FINE...


But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

It's DICE.

They had to go and add changes that NO ONE fucking asked for.

What the fuck is wrong with them...? Seriously... WHY mess with the damage and HP??? WHY...? Honestly... why the hell... would that even cross through their minds?


TBH.. I am almost positive DICE rarely plays this game... let alone fuckin test it.

There were a bunch of [DICE] players on earlier, and they were all under first sergeant.

The DICE team is encouraged to play BF2 they play at least twice a day...and theres over 4,000 servers for BF2 you think u can hit up 1 at a time and make an assumption that a team of 30 never plays, ive seen some clan tags that ive never seen before that are well over 2lt....i just happend to be in that server at the same time, doesnt mean that his clan or he is inactive, its ODDS. Ive seen many Dice players playing some games with me as many as 6 at a time....

Its going to be a serverside option, if you dont want to play dont play... and dont whine that the other players play IO and get sooooo many more points than you because that would make you what you hate, only stat whores care about their scores, once you get 20,000 points ur missing 2 guns....

And with all the feedback about the hitpoints and damage EA does listen, why do you think its an open beta where theyre listening for feedback...also take in mind that the current version of IO is only Beta....

[Turnip]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

They should make medpacs double as revive packs, and you should be able stick them to people like c4.

[Lazza66]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

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And I really dont think its taking a long time to implement this thing, its just they like to do stupid things like increase everyones health and crap like that. How hard could it be to make a script that nullifies the vehicle spawn code, a hacker could probably make that in an half hour.

What I am afraid of is that DICE seem more willing to listen to those who whine than those who have bug fix or game development / enhancement suggestions. IO mode is proof of that.

They are still going to fix the bugs, just because they implement an infantry only mode doesnt mean they wont work on other things. And in my opinion infantry only is a game development/enhancement, its not going to replace vanilla BF2 its just going to be another option. Just because you dont agree with it doesnt mean its not going to appeal to everyone.

You missed the point, everyone wanted more game modes since day 1, now thanks to IO whiners they'll simply rip out all the vehicles, screw with stuff nobody wanted changed and say there you go, there's your new game mode.

I don't completely disagree with the IO concept, but the suggested implementation etc. There are also much more exciting options than simply IO

If you see the SAME GAME with some 30 odd units removed and 6 remaining as an enhancement then you've lost me.

The list of changes and bug fixes to see this game get out of beta is still huge, there is no way even half of it will ever be done. Today for example I'm protecting a full BH from the attack chopper as it tries to lift off, the noob pilot slams it into me, I go -20 and see punish, punish, etc on screen and I'm kicked and banned. Nice game DICE.

[imported_Sephiroth]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

I think taking out APc's and tanks are a good idea to be honest. In my opionion, they seem to be used by the same person over and over and can reach a stupidly high score without very much skill at all, while infrantry (snipers especially IMO) take a lot more thought/skill and planning to use for a fairly decent score.

And then at the end of the round, you sometimes find that the tank/apc whores are claiming they are better than everyone else due to their high score and even higher rank. I usually turn around to them and tell them thats because they have a 25mm auto cannon above them and 10 inches of steel surrounding them.

In all my opinion is, Tank/apc whores IMO are NOT skilled for taking out 5 men in 30 seconds with a 25 mil cannon, and they are recieving WAY to many points for what they do. I think they should get half, if not a qurater of the points infrantry get, that then might even out the ranks and show-offs....

SO yeah, i think Infrantry only might give some of us a chance to fight without being cannon'ed every 2 minutes. :)

[farmergiles]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

IO should be interesting if they keep in transport vehicles only. The only problem I can see is that the mode will be reduced to "medic/grenade fest" mode as everyone will take the medic class to gain stupid amounts of points.

IO mode at least addresses the problem of jets and choppers been hediously overpowered on most maps. Dalian 16 player and Sharqi 32 player really suffer from having choppers on the map as chopper whores fly around obtaining newbie points from easy kills. Jets are no better on levels like Dalian 32 and Oil Fields 32+ and Gulf of Oman 32+ they just fly around and bomb entire flag points then head back to reload instantly and are back to hassle u within like 3 seconds!

[boarder4592]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Most of the time I C4 people - not vehicles, Assault is awesome if you know how to use it, but medic is overpowered.

Anti tank's weapon is awesome against infantry as well.



EDIT: If you dont like infantry only DONT play on infantry only servers - simple solution.

[Turnip]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Ya I guess vehicle light option probably is better, just take off the mounted gun. But I dont really want a decrease in speed, I think dodging vehicles is easy and it would force everyone to learn as they would see people doing it all the time.