Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

[machstem]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

BF2 "infantry only" should just be renamed to BF2 "easy mode", because on the most basic level that's all it really is.

Oh, and on a final note... splitting the community of a game in a manner such as this is quite possibly the easiest way to ruin a game and drain its playerbase.

Quite possibly the best prognosis on the eventual outcome of this game.

[Turnip]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Easy mode for who? for jet whores who cant do crap without a bunch of easy targets to neuter?

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Easy mode for who? for jet whores who cant do crap without a bunch of easy targets to neuter?

Only if they make it easy

[Lazza66]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

But you do know that there are admins who can also decide which maps are in rotation on their server?

Quite right. Mashtuur, Sharqi and Karkand spring to mind. And why is that? Maybe because they are the maps designed from the outset for infantry.

I wonder how long it'll be before IO server map rotations only include the maps listed above? We'll be pretty much back where we started, no more patches will be coming out, and we still won't have a decently different alternative game mode.

For some time players have wanted alternative gameplay modes. Just imagine a decent alternative, like a "Kidnap the Commander" mode. You'd have to capture the enemy commander and get him back to your main alive. If you kill him you lose, if the enemy kill him they lose. Even just an assasinate the Commander mode would be more imaginative than just another "lets all just try and outshoot the opposition" gamemode. Technically it's not even another game mode, it's just the same old maps with less options available.

Unfortunately I just can't get excited about IO. It's just a big nerf and another dumbing down of a great game that'll probably never reach it's full potential.

[Vintageologist]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Quite right. Mashtuur, Sharqi and Karkand spring to mind. And why is that? Maybe because they are the maps designed from the outset for infantry.

I wonder how long it'll be before IO server map rotations only include the maps listed above? We'll be pretty much back where we started, no more patches will be coming out, and we still won't have a decently different alternative game mode.

For some time players have wanted alternative gameplay modes. Just imagine a decent alternative, like a "Kidnap the Commander" mode. You'd have to capture the enemy commander and get him back to your main alive. If you kill him you lose, if the enemy kill him they lose. Even just an assasinate the Commander mode would be more imaginative than just another "lets all just try and outshoot the opposition" gamemode. Technically it's not even another game mode, it's just the same old maps with less options available.

Unfortunately I just can't get excited about IO. It's just a big nerf and another dumbing down of a great game that'll probably never reach it's full potential.

May it be that there aren't all maps appropriate for this mode, still it seems like a nice refreshing alternative to me...

[Harmor]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

May it be that there aren't all maps appropriate for this mode, still it seems like a nice refreshing alternative to me...

Have you tried IO in the 1.40 BETA 2?

[Vintageologist]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Have you tried IO in the 1.40 BETA 2?

Nope, but I know there are issues (especially the hp) which are currently being adressed anyway.

[Batausu]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

I have tried Wake Island in IO mode, 1.4 beta 2.
It was quite a change!
Why don't you try it, too? Make a copy of your 1.3 BF2 directory and then install 1.4. If you want to return to 1.3, simply run bf2.exe from the saved directory, you don't have to uninstall or anything... it's that easy. It's all written in a readme file.
Have fun. :)

[Roy_(NL)]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Nope, but I know there are issues (especially the hp) which are currently being adressed anyway.

The HP is normal in beta 2.

[Vintageologist]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

I have tried Wake Island in IO mode, 1.4 beta 2.
It was quite a change!
Why don't you try it, too? Make a copy of your 1.3 BF2 directory and then install 1.4. If you want to return to 1.3, simply run bf2.exe from the saved directory, you don't have to uninstall or anything... it's that easy. It's all written in a readme file.
Have fun. :)

I know it's easy... at least if your HD isn't as packed as mine is... I just don't have enough free space for the backup, but as soon as I get some, I'll try it.

The HP is normal in beta 2.

Oh, sorry didn't know that.. cool.

[machstem]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

This game's engine was never designed for infantry only combat. Render it an infantry only game, and you lose this game's best component: great graphics on large maps with plenty of vehicles.

I like being bombed by jets, hiding from helicopters, sneaking up on tanks, etc. I like the challenge that the game offers, and infantry combat doesn't really offer that to me: a challenge. I love FPS IO combat, I've been playing it for years now. COD UO (Call of Duty United Offensive) was a great example of a IO combat going to vehicles by including tanks and jeeps. People riding in tanks were called "tank whores" yet they were the same peeps that didn't realize that maybe you shouldn't stick your head out when a tank is around the corner.

Contrary to what several of you believe, none of the maps were designed with infantry-only combat in mind. Karkand can be debated, but there are a rare minimum of buildings one can enter, and really...what's the point?

The point to this is not whether IO combat is better than Battlefield combat, it's what the game was meant to be: Battlefield combat. Not infantry combat.

PEACE

[Vintageologist]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

This game's engine was never designed for infantry only combat. Render it an infantry only game, and you lose this game's best component: great graphics on large maps with plenty of vehicles.

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The point to this is not whether IO combat is better than Battlefield combat, it's what the game was meant to be: Battlefield combat. Not infantry combat.

Uhm... if the engine wasn't designed for infantry combat, why is it that most of it actually IS infantry combat? So everytime I don't see a vehicle that's bad? Oh... didn't know that. Infantry combat is a big part of the BF2 combat, and if people sometimes want to just play with infantry, I don't see what's so wrong about that!?

[AJED (G.Drew)]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Planewhore, ur name says it all, so shut the f**k up, u cant talk about the game if ur sitting in a f**king cockpit all the time going 'oh, i so PW3ND u noob!'
IO is a great idea, this means that u can get proper street-2-street fighting
without the worry of a bomb landing on ur head
the only con i have about it is the dreaded spawn camping, i can c this happening all the time by people who think there james bond or Hitman. is there a way to eliminate this?

[Harmor]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Planewhore, ur name says it all, so shut the f**k up, u cant talk about the game if ur sitting in a f**king cockpit all the time going 'oh, i so PW3ND u noob!'
IO is a great idea, this means that u can get proper street-2-street fighting
without the worry of a bomb landing on ur head
the only con i have about it is the dreaded spawn camping, i can c this happening all the time by people who think there james bond or Hitman. is there a way to eliminate this?

Someone sounds jealous? His views are just are valid as yours.

Have you actually tried IO mode in 1.40 BETA 2? I think you won't find it fun. 70% running is what you'll experience on maps other than Karkand, Sharqi, Mastuur. Everyone is Medic/Support/Sniper with a few Assault in there for flavor. Squads of 6 Medics all with G36E assaulting you. Oh did I mention the nade spam? Without artillery its nade this, nade that everywhere.

I don't understand why they don't just do the following:

'Vehicle-lite' ranked map option:

• Replace Tank/APC spawns with Heavy Jeeps
• Replace AA vehicle spawns with Light Jeeps
• Remove Jets
• Replace Littlebird and Attack Helicopter spawns with Transport Helicopters

AND/OR 'Vehicle-neutered' ranked map option:
Same as above but vehicles removed.

Also they should add 'Supply-line' ranked map option.

Adding these options would revivalize the game!!!

[machstem]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Uhm... if the engine wasn't designed for infantry combat, why is it that most of it actually IS infantry combat? So everytime I don't see a vehicle that's bad? Oh... didn't know that. Infantry combat is a big part of the BF2 combat, and if people sometimes want to just play with infantry, I don't see what's so wrong about that!?

Good infantry only combat games have a variety of indoor and outdoor combat. Have you ever noticed the lack of detail when entering a building in any of the BF games? Battlefield's Karkand is mostly infantry, and I enjoy being infantry as much as the next guy, but I'd rather drive a vehicle from point to point, rather than run the streets without speed or protection.

This game has evolved and grown in popularity because of the vehicles, not the infantry only combat. It's a great mix of both, but rendering the game "IO" on some servers will catch on quick and ruin the next game in the franchise.

Let's hope the next year or so proves to have more competition in terms of vehicular and infantry combat. BF2 has no real competition, and now that ET: QW has been delayed indefinitely, and BF2142 is around the corner without any real significant competition, EA/DICe can release the game making a good profit from those willing to play a sub-par game.

EA/DICE obviously put alot of effort rendering the infantry component of the game more prominent, and I am happy for that. But as pointed out earlier, with all the available options for each kit, most are surely never going to be used simply because most classes will be useless in infantry only combat.

Again, I like being infantry as much as the next guy, and I'm pretty decent at it. But I bought this game and have bought the previous games simply because I could fly, drive, boat and walk/run at any given moment. I didn't buy it so that some servers will be running infantry only games on a engine designed to incorporate both infantry AND vehicle combat.

PEACE