Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

[pYura]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Solution is simple.

Make Infantry Only UNRANKED.

Both sides get what they want.

The vehicle people will get to enjoy their vehicles and hopefully DICE/EA will continue to work on balance and the Infantry people can go crazy and change lots of settings and options and make up their own rules and balance, decide which vehicles to include etc on their own group of servers.

It should be considered JUST LIKE A MOD.

He's right... :)

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

It's a perfectly simple solution, and then to define the different planes after closing the gap on handling give them something a little less game breaking. For example: J-10 = 8 A2A missiles, Mig = 30% faster flare reload, F-35B = 20% More cannon ammo and afterburner, F-18 = 3 bombs. You get the idea.

I dont believe in carbon copy jets. But Id like to believe that when I have a solid lock, on an OPFOR jet, my chances to hit them, are the same as if they were behind me.

So, in order to make jets different, one has to create categories of importance. First, the differences in maneuverability, second, differences in attack potential. Because maneuverability is essentially survival, those balances and imbalances should be ironed out with precision.

If one jet can sustain higher speed longer- J10 and its larger mass, and its speed is already high enough, give the opposition, which cant sustain high speed that long, longer afterburner rate. I think DICE farked up somewhere, and the 15 seconds of AB that went to J10 should have gone to F35B and the 10 seconds should have gone to F35B.

The most important, the loop speed, the picth motion, is a category 1 balance issue between J10 and F35B, between any jets at that matter. So in order to create a more fair enviromnent for dogfights, the differences in loop speed should be well balanced with other characteristics. Problem is that very often many pilots will intentionally start a "loop war", and keep on looping, and because this simple maneuver is the most crucial, other jets dont have much of anything to counter this.

One out of 2 solutions- even out loop speed between fighters, and bombers in two groups.
Or second one- make missiles that hit, all jets, if the lock is aquired and flares arent shot out. This is the easiest, lamest of course too.

Like many have thought, giving JFS some stealth characteristics would be great. In order to do so, just give other jets a longer lock time than the JFS has, and its fixed. J10 uber maneuverability could be balanced with a 2 or even 3 second lock time, against JFS 1 second one. Dogfights are pretty linear, depending on rolls and loops mostly. If DICE would implement faster response to throttle, things would become more interesting fast.
If J10 is to have a better loop time, make the roll time absolute ****. Comparable to bombers. This way, JFS would be better in multiple successive maneuvers where J10 has good solid edge in simple ones. I feel that the weapon ammo balances are pretty well done. 300 vs 600 and different drop characteristics are pretty well made.

Anyway. Missiles that have the same chances of hitting, and creating more differences in maneuverability to actually create a variety, balance in variety. Or opposite, balance in critical maneuverability characteristics, and I mean carbon copy balances.

[Strega]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

All they needed to so was:

• Replace Tanks/APCs spawns with Heavy Jeeps
• Replace AA vehicle spawns with Light Jeeps
• Remove Jets
• Replace Attack Helicopters spawns with Transport Helicopters (i.e. USMC Wake Island 2007 carrier would now have 3 Blackhawks)

That's it. Add an option for each map for whatever you want to call it and it would be FUN AS HELL!!!

This is an absolutely perfect idea for Infantry Only. Well said Harmor.

[-=KOF=-IVirusI]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

If you don't like the way infantry only mode will happen then don't play infantry only mode:), go fly your jets. I dont think you'll enjoy IO anyway seen as your a 'planewhore' :P

I for one will enjoy infantry only mode

btw, planewhore, are you the brother of comic book man?
'infantry only mode worst idea ever'

[Talus]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

This is an absolutely perfect idea for Infantry Only. Well said Harmor.

Even I would be fine with that...

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

If you don't like the way infantry only mode will happen then don't play infantry only mode:), go fly your jets. I dont think you'll enjoy IO anyway seen as your a 'planewhore' :P

I for one will enjoy infantry only mode as it will focus on more tactical gameplay instead of running about proning everywhere :). Plus, a player wil have increased health? Just shoot them more times :)

LOL, infantry only is where anti-infantry exploits will be used. I have yet to see a dolphin diver headshot a tank. But I have seen plenty of infantry without heads after a dolphin has swam past them...

TACTICAL? TEAMWORK?

WTF! Do you even know what that means?

Teamwork is needed to get rid of a tank. Tactical movement is to avoid being seen by larger forces, or stronger game elements (tanks). Or to create a situation where you have advantage over usually more powerful enemy (tanks).

Do you see tactics or teamwork in CS? No. And you wont see that in IO either...

[N2K]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Teactical, Teamwork, and BF2 shouldn't belong in the same line.

[Harmor]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Even I would be fine with that...

Its a simple idea really. I'm hesitant to remove commander's artillery because then no one will want to be commander especially since you don't get any points for doing anything as commander.

[-=KOF=-IVirusI]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

First of all it's spelled tactical*.

Second of all if you play within a clan and have teamspeak then tactics are used here. :) and yes i do no what it means so please hawd yer wheesht :laugh:


ah here read this:

Foolish Entertainment proudly presents Advanced Tactical Center for Battlefield 2, designed to increase your clans’ performance.

Get all your team mates connected to your online session and create vivid, detailed tactics together. The wide selection of tools included offers your clan the control to grasp the tactic easily and evolving them together in real time! Brand new tools like zoom, text, export tactic and the Custom Map Wizard builds upon the alreadylarge library of tools

Aint called advanced tactical centre for nothing :)

[mondo66]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Why are all you people whining? It's a bloody beta for christs sakes, you will all have the chance to change it when EA release the full thing. Whinigng about it & saying its outright **** is not going to get EA/DICE to pay attention, you are just going to have most people simply right you off as a whiner.

Honestly get a grip people it just a friggin beta

Yeah, that never works. Look at assualt and the PKM now. The weapons of death now are anything that starts with an AK or the G3.

[Bungalow_Bill]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Im an IO 'fanboy'. I couldnt give a rats arse about stats, in fact i have been an opponent of the whole idea of the Global ranking system since the outset. It is the cause of stat padding, and dramatically increases the number of cheats in the game. I couldnt care less about a few fictional, meaningless medals or fantasy points, which in the grand scheme of life mean Jack.

I like the idea of Infantry only purely because of the teamwork it promotes. I play because i enjoy playing with likeminded people, having a laugh on VOIP. My reasoning behind wanting it ranked is purely because unranked servers arent popular. I would happily play it unranked if enough people did the same, but the fact is they wont.

I agree with you on all points, however while you may in fact be the Ghandi of BF2 I can assure you that most players are anything but. Easy statistics to most BF2 players is like a moth to a flame, which is one of the big issues here if not the biggest. I don't like to deny a mode to legitimate players who want to play in such a fashion, but as such those players playing for the "love of the game" and nothing more should have no issues accepting this lovely gift from DICE in unranked form only.

I for one will enjoy infantry only mode as it will focus on more tactical gameplay instead of running about proning everywhere :). Plus, a player wil have increased health? Just shoot them more times :)

Don't bring a knife to an APC fight Virus. The thought of BF2 being somehow more tactical without vehicles is a laughable concept. I play mostly on StrafeRight server, and operate an APC when I feel like it. When I do I view myself as a source of cover and support for my team and my squad, and a source of supressive fire. When I pilot an APC I almost always am a squad leader, so people can join up for the free teamwork ride.

I pull up to a flag nearby in my APC, providing a nearby safe spawn point, my squadmates spawn on me if they die, I give them supressive fire, they capture the flag, I spam "Hey, get in!", they all jump in and we roll off to the next flag as a team in a protective coating of armor. That's the level of depth and teamwork good vehicles bring to a battle, and I apologize if you've never experienced that but perhaps you ought to play with me some time. I can also assure you that you'd find armor a whole lot less frustrating when you have the better half of it to back you up so you can do your thing in
safety.

[frazzman]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Well of course, all you (and most IO fanboys) want to do is run around on APC/tank neutered Karkand with no artillery to worry about and revive people, throw medpacks on the ground and pad those stats up. You'll feel reallll good about yourself I'm sure when you end up with 150 points in a 15 minute round. Take that vehicle whores!!

Oh, and having me completely agree with everything a particular poster says means they're on the right track. Some people can see ten moves ahead of the game, and I'm one of those people.

Wait a minute..., YOUR calling ME a stat padder?? ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL im PSML omfg youve just made my day ROFL again

you are without doubt the most arrogant person ive come across

[imported_Deliverance]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Teactical, Teamwork, and BF2 shouldn't belong in the same line.

Have you never noticed the button that says 'Join Squad'? Y'know where you play with other people? Spawn on your squad leader and talk to other humans using VOIP.

Clearly youve never played BF2 as its supposed to be played, as a team game. Where people work together to achieve goals, and eventually win. I pity you never having had this experience i really do, especially as once youve played the game like that you realise that thats how it should have been played all along.

[-=KOF=-IVirusI]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Have you never noticed the button that says 'Join Squad'? Y'know where you play with other people? Spawn on your squad leader and talk to other humans using VOIP.

Clearly youve never played BF2 as its supposed to be played, as a team game. Where people work together to achieve goals, and eventually win. I pity you never having had this experience i really do, especially as once youve played the game like that you realise that thats how it should have been played all along.

Oh yea. exactly...

Virus failed to mention that he plays in karkand 24/7 superserver 64man and experiences armour first hand.

btw. erm, if this infantry only mode will have an increased spawn time and more damage needed to take a player down i for one wouldnt want to jump in like a numpty. If you have half a decent squad then you can work together, revive and resupply each other and make sure that your not lying dead for 30 secs twiddling your thumbs

Just though of something there: sharqi. the rounf had started and i jumped into the mec tank, went straight for the first base, when BAM 1,2,3 eryx shots hit my tank and i blew up within 5 seconds. Done by a clan (tb2s) and clearly knew what they were doing. so lets just review a statement from us need to kill here
'Teactical, Teamwork, and BF2 shouldn't belong in the same line.'

They guys used both to take out my tank, save the flag and stop them from being killed my my tank, plus the flanked me (flanking in wikipedia is known as a TACTIC)

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Have you never noticed the button that says 'Join Squad'? Y'know where you play with other people? Spawn on your squad leader and talk to other humans using VOIP.

Clearly youve never played BF2 as its supposed to be played, as a team game. Where people work together to achieve goals, and eventually win. I pity you never having had this experience i really do, especially as once youve played the game like that you realise that thats how it should have been played all along.

Well. I see your point. Imagine medieval peasant rebel (BF squad). They all jump together and run against a knight (Tank), with pitchforks (Medic kits), respawn on their town leader (SQL) and repeat the process. And you can call that tactical.

BF2 tactics is just guys running in one wave. Thats prett much it. Although strenght in unity, this is hardly tactical, and it only has the team part from the teamwork word.

IO will hardly be any different. Just a lot more anti-infantry exploits, CF style fights and lots and lots of mindless head to head running.