Only the default (TGN Light) theme for now. Dark them is also coming back soon. Then CSN. Then Wrestlin' Nation. A lot of WIP stuff right now. There are a couple of things still not working either. Sorry.
So under that pre-text, surely the same then applies to EF, SF and AF, surely they too are condusive of community division as much, if not more than a new OPTIONAL game mode for Vanilla BF2? As far as i see it, the same way as i occasionally play SF, i will occasionally play IO, then the rest of the time keep going with normal BF2.
IO will split the player base as much as any of the expansion packs has, and as far as i can see minimal, to no division has occured.
Vehicles add a lot more depth to game. Remove them (or sub with transports) and all of sudden lots of strategy, tactics etc. go out of window, when most flags become just points of equal value. Also, since ticket bleed from flags is really low, IO with current maps is doomed to become just plain deathmatch.
All the importance of capturing certain flag because it spawns some needed equipment becomes null. Some flags in maps spawn important resources, but are tough to defend, some flags are just stepstones to attack some more important flag from easier direction .. All these nuances go out from window, dumbing the gameplay down.
For IO to work, maps would need to be redesigned entirely ; add flags to almost every street corner and building, and fight street to street. Also, ticket bleed would need to be increased, so that holding 6 flags compared to 4 of enemies would actually MEAN something.
I'm not even going to touch the "lowered damage" things, since those ideas are already pretty universally shot down...
Wait, it didn't end yet. I'm going to just get flamed "what's wrong with options, you just play regular and let us play IO". Well, here's the deal ;
Division in communities is bad, and sheer number of players is a GOOD thing in games. Look at DoD and DoD:source. Both games together have more players than DoD 1.3 ever did, however, they both now have less players that what DoD 1.3 had before source was released. Both games are struggling to hold their playerbase, finding matches or just a good public server is harder. What I like about BF2 is that whenever I launch it, I know I can find a full low-ping server with map cycle I like, just because there's so goddamned many servers and players around every hour of the day. But it isn't much, I really play only in 3-4 servers. I'd really hate it if say, 2 of them went IO.
I wouldn't have problem with it, if IO was unranked. I could lie about being concerned with statistical integrity, and how every point is worth of same amount not depending on what gametype it was gained on, but honestly, I just fear that ranked status would direct traffic to IO servers, leaving regular servers struggling to keep a crowd 24/7.
And i've never played a game that requires as much tactics and teamwork as CS.
Great post!
It makes me feel good when I get confirmation that I'm not the only person out there who "gets it". Division is a community is most certainly a horrible thing, and I'm glad you brought that up because that is something I neglected to do to the proper extent. Countless games have gone the way of the dodo simply because they went in too many directions. It's a fact of game development that no quicker way to kill a game exisits than to split your player base.
You can see the mini-effect of splitting a community by simply looking at the effects on the total number of BF2 servers after a mod is released. Hell, take a look at BF1942 while you're at it. It's certainly to a lesser extent but it's the same phenomina that would occur with such a radical patch.
Sounds like you're jealous. Look, just because he's a good pilot doesn't mean his view on Infantry Only are null and void.
While i agree with your points Harmor, Planewhore also oughta take the advice that Just because there are groundpounders who like this option doesnt mean their points of view are null and void also.
Works both ways.
Plus about the multi directional thing for the community?.. so you think thats gone far enough with SF EF and AF? cmon thats a bit of a weak arguement, its already fragmented.
what i dont get. Is that the community never asked for this. We dont want infantry only. Thats so dumb. Its good your beta testing the patch. But this is a dumb idea and one that nobody wants
what i dont get. Is that the community never asked for this. We dont want infantry only. Thats so dumb. Its good your beta testing the patch. But this is a dumb idea and one that nobody wants
Yes they did, there was a thread running on Bf2rankedservers.com and a petition set up which ran for several weeks asking for precisely this (we didnt ask for all the adjusted HP, sprint speed crap though)
Several hundred, probably several thousand people asked for it. So please dont assume that because you dont want it, or havent heard of it that it isnt wanted. IT IS!
As much as i play karkand 64 man and enjoy taking out a couple of tanks with my c4, eryx shots, it is a nice change to be able to play just an infantry game with no vehicles allowed, no arty, no vehicle drops.
Sounds like you're jealous. Look, just because he's a good pilot doesn't mean his view on Infantry Only are null and void.
I'm absolutely not jealous, it was just tempting too exchange like 5 words and turn that standard blabla 180 degrees around .
Originally posted by Harmor
Personally if you really wanted a vehicle-lite option to the game you do the following:
Replace Tanks/APCs with Heavy Jeep spawns
Replace AA vehicles with Light Jeep spawns
Remove jets.
Replace Attack helicopters with Transport Helicopters (i.e. USMC carrier would have 3 Blackhawk spawns)
Call it whatever you want and that's it. Really simple and a good option for server administrators to put into their mix. No need to make the game even more complicated with the current Infantry Only implementation in the BETA patch. (We all know that Medics will be godly and Engineers useless...)
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If you have a look at the other "how to do an infantry only" thread you will notice that that is exactly what i suggested.
it would have been good with no increased health or any of that bs, all they had to do was take out cars (and commander maybe) but they managed to screw that up too, congrats dice, beginer coders could fix this game better than you
I've always been a pro infantry player did all my veteran badges on the ground, just recently started using heli's and planes after 200 hours. I agree with planewhore on alot of levels, medics are the best kit and that is all you are going to see in IO period.
1) Increased hps is dumb
2) You need to have transports just to give at and engi's value
3) Hell I'd like to see little birds added to all the maps.
4) Leave planes out.
In my opinion that would be a kickass infantry only setup.
As much as i play karkand 64 man and enjoy taking out a couple of tanks with my c4, eryx shots, it is a nice change to be able to play just an infantry game with no vehicles allowed, no arty, no vehicle drops.
Exactly....., but the way some ppl are posting here it seems like IO mode is going to bring down EA/Dice the government and thw whole world as we know it :laugh:
cmon ppl its going to be a choice.., if you play standard bf2 then it wont effect you? really whats the problem?
infantry only jesus christ, THIS GAME IS FINE! i love to go infantry somtimes and no i dont mind gettin whored by some armour because thats the game, and the challange is to overcome it, there turning this game in to a crappy CS listening to all the retards who come from CS an its just unacceptable, battlefield is battlefield its about , planes, tanks, infantry all together just like 1942 an veitnam, the new map looks great am glad they did'nt take vehicals out of it..
they just need to stop runin this game and make it more like battlefield not counter strike
:) and yea, people are going just a teeny weeny bit far now , its a choice you can make whether to play it or not. if your a planewhore, armour whore then bf2 is simpy for you but if you want a wee change and not worry about getting thumped with armour. Then play infantry only
:) and yea, people are going just a teeny weeny bit far now , its a choice you can make whether to play it or not. if your a planewhore, armour whore then bf2 is simpy for you but if you want a wee change and not worry about getting thumped with armour. Then play infantry only
I dont think they are quite hearing that one tho for some reason theyve gone all blinkered. maybe you shouldve put it in bold italic at +7 in red to make sure lol
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