Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

[N2K]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Have you never noticed the button that says 'Join Squad'? Y'know where you play with other people? Spawn on your squad leader and talk to other humans using VOIP.

Clearly youve never played BF2 as its supposed to be played, as a team game. Where people work together to achieve goals, and eventually win. I pity you never having had this experience i really do, especially as once youve played the game like that you realise that thats how it should have been played all along.

Yes, I have done it all, I was a foot soldier for a long time before I started armor whoring. I do know what the ground under my feet looks like. Most people don't work together and there is only a few maps ground combat can take place at. Its fun yes but I am not going to cry about it because I can't handle taking out armor.

[frazzman]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Its fun yes but I am not going to cry about it because I can't handle taking out armor.

No instead your going to cry about having IO... really whats the difference to you and your gameplay in the end..., none so whats it matter.

[sonny]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

If you want infantry only mode, the solution is simple.. Counterstrike. Better engine, better weapon balance, better net code, better hit-detection. Of course, far more cheaters than you'll ever encounter in BF2, but if this idea goes through as is the only cheat you'll need to 1.4 is to run a squad of medics on an infantry only server.

Just as important, the Battlefield series defining characteristic is vehicle and infantry interaction. Battlefield without vehicles is like cereal without milk, it just doesn't make sense. Without vehicles (and to a lesser extent commanders, class balance ect..) Battlefield 2 is nothing more than a mediocre shooter.

Balance does not exist in this "Infantry Only" mode.

You think medics are bad now? Try infantry only medics with nothing to stop them.

But first, let's take a look at how the other classes will fair:

Snipers are useless with increased HP it'll take them 4 or more shots to kill and by that time the target has escaped.

Engineers are useless obviously with nothing to repair, no use for mines, and inferior weapons.

AT are useless with inferior weapons, no grenades, and nothing to shoot an AT rocket at.

And of course, Spec Ops are useless without anything worthy of a C4 kill (no vehicles, commander assets to c4).

Assault are useless as always, but suprisingly less useless than they are normally. Still a far cry from a medic, however.

Support? Meh, medics with slightly better guns but lose the ability to revive/heal as a result, and thus.. worthless.

Then you've got the GODs of no infantry servers, the ultimate stat padder, the medic. Thirty seconds to revive? Sweet! Medic packs that instantly heal 4 grenades worth of damage? Sweet. Best weapons too? Super sweet. Most sprint for escaping with my massive tank of health? Godmode.

Of course, this scenario is not so sweet for the assault that just spent a full clip and a grenade to kill someone, only to have them revived in a fraction of a second by the swarms of medics. And of course since the medic has such high HP it's easy for them to run out in to the line of fire (no tanks/APCs to worry about), revive someone, run around the corner and drop a medpack and heal up. It would be a laughable stat padding fest and EVERYONE will be playing medic.

Of course, without APCs medic squads will become nothing short of invulnerable. Camping will be horrible, as people can just sit back and turtle with the medic crew in whatever certain location with no fear of a tank rolling up on them, a helicopter cleaning them out, a plane bombing them, or a commander dropping artillery. These things that they are removing are the checks and balances that keep 100% medic squads and other lame tactics at bay.

So the only alternative for the idiots at DICE is the just make it normal BF2 without vehicles. Of course then the servers set with no infantry 24/7 Karkand become havens for stat padders and "leet dewds". Horrible balance of course, but an easy way to grab a medic and rack up a 6-7 SPM with nothing to worry about. The players that sit on these servers will be the undisputed king of KDR, SPM, and every other stat that matters.

The inevitable outcome of all of this - servers full of medics hopping around reviving, turtling, spawn camping, and servers completely devoid of any class other than a medic with horrible balance and a failed game dynamic. I could think of no quicker way to completely kill the series.

Worst idea ever, scrap it all DICE or you'll forever lose my faith in you as a semi-competent game developer.

i have play other military games were you could choose what types of guns you can have on the server. like Delta Force Black Hawk Down. i like being a sniper and in that game. you could go to a sniper server and snipe all day long without worring about any other type of weapon. I wish battlefield has more options like a sniper settings only. or CQB. Trust me. you will always find servers with everything allow.

[N2K]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Why bother changing the whole game play when most people need a fix for thier crashes and bugs.

[frazzman]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

well duh isnt that what they are doing with the OPEN beta? :|:

[imported_Deliverance]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Yes, I have done it all, I was a foot soldier for a long time before I started armor whoring. I do know what the ground under my feet looks like. Most people don't work together and there is only a few maps ground combat can take place at. Its fun yes but I am not going to cry about it because I can't handle taking out armor.

Who's crying about anything man? As it happens (and its all rather irrelevant as stats mean nothing) im above average lets say in terms of my AT ranking thus i am perfectly capable of handling Armour.

Its got nothing to do with not being able to deal with armour. Clearly its something thats beyond your mental scope, thus, we'll just leave it there.

[Strega]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Why bother changing the whole game play when most people need a fix for thier crashes and bugs.

I agree 100%. Fix bugs and crashes FIRST.

[Harmor]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Why bother changing the whole game play when most people need a fix for thier crashes and bugs.

I thought thats what they did? In the Error reporting thread people are reporting that the number of CTD is near or at zero. They are also reporting that the game runs smoother on existing systems - seems to be optimized somewhat.

This maybe because they have upgraded the engine in preparation for 2142? But that's just speculation.

[frazzman]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

BTW before this patch i used to have numerous random CTD and connection lost problems.., might just be coincidence but ive had none since the 1.4b

[Bungalow_Bill]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Chris is exactly right, teamwork is not needed nearly as much in an IO server. It may appear like you have more teamwork, but that's only because many of the essential tasks teammates had to perform in regular BF2 are no longer necessary. So in an IO server everyone can be a medic and do their down thing, so you'll get revived more and you'll say.. hey! more revives = more teamwork.... right? Wrong.

Your team doesn't have to bother having teammates spawn as AT to destroy that tank/APC. Don't have to have a teammate hop in that AA post and drop that plane/helicopter out of the sky. Don't have to bother spawning as engineer to lay down AT mines to block the path for the incoming armored vehicles. Don't have to move quickly and uncluster to avoid the inevitable artillery associated with half a team squatting on a flag. Don't have to have that transport helicopter pilot drop you at the flag, wait in a low hover and pick you up again.

BF2 "infantry only" should just be renamed to BF2 "easy mode", because on the most basic level that's all it really is.

[Talus]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

..it certainly shouldn't be called 'Battlefield'

[frazzman]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

well yeh call it that ok not a problem LOL then we wont be seeing you on those servers thats cool then .

[imported_BlueScreen]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Well of course, all you (and most IO fanboys) want to do is run around on APC/tank neutered Karkand with no artillery to worry about and revive people, throw medpacks on the ground and pad those stats up. You'll feel reallll good about yourself I'm sure when you end up with 150 points in a 15 minute round. Take that vehicle whores!!

Oh, and having me completely agree with everything a particular poster says means they're on the right track. Some people can see ten moves ahead of the game, and I'm one of those people.

Considering your name:

Well of course, all you (and most IO antiboys) want to do is fly around on moving things neutered maps with no J-10 to worry about and kill people, throw bombs on the ground and pad those stats up. You'll feel reallll good about yourself I'm sure when you end up with 150 points in a 15 minute round. Take that medic whores!!

Oh, ........ Some people think they can see ten moves ahead of the game, and I'm one of those people who roll on the floor laughing if these brains realize they took the wrong turnoff and ended up in a dead end.


Eh, makes sense :laugh:

[markan dorka]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Vehicles add a lot more depth to game. Remove them (or sub with transports) and all of sudden lots of strategy, tactics etc. go out of window, when most flags become just points of equal value. Also, since ticket bleed from flags is really low, IO with current maps is doomed to become just plain deathmatch.

All the importance of capturing certain flag because it spawns some needed equipment becomes null. Some flags in maps spawn important resources, but are tough to defend, some flags are just stepstones to attack some more important flag from easier direction .. All these nuances go out from window, dumbing the gameplay down.

For IO to work, maps would need to be redesigned entirely ; add flags to almost every street corner and building, and fight street to street. Also, ticket bleed would need to be increased, so that holding 6 flags compared to 4 of enemies would actually MEAN something.

I'm not even going to touch the "lowered damage" things, since those ideas are already pretty universally shot down...

Wait, it didn't end yet. I'm going to just get flamed "what's wrong with options, you just play regular and let us play IO". Well, here's the deal ;

Division in communities is bad, and sheer number of players is a GOOD thing in games. Look at DoD and DoD:source. Both games together have more players than DoD 1.3 ever did, however, they both now have less players that what DoD 1.3 had before source was released. Both games are struggling to hold their playerbase, finding matches or just a good public server is harder. What I like about BF2 is that whenever I launch it, I know I can find a full low-ping server with map cycle I like, just because there's so goddamned many servers and players around every hour of the day. But it isn't much, I really play only in 3-4 servers. I'd really hate it if say, 2 of them went IO.

I wouldn't have problem with it, if IO was unranked. I could lie about being concerned with statistical integrity, and how every point is worth of same amount not depending on what gametype it was gained on, but honestly, I just fear that ranked status would direct traffic to IO servers, leaving regular servers struggling to keep a crowd 24/7.

And i've never played a game that requires as much tactics and teamwork as CS.

[Harmor]

Re: Infantry only mode, worst idea ever.

Considering your name:

Well of course, all you (and most IO antiboys) want to do is fly around on moving things neutered maps with no J-10 to worry about and kill people, throw bombs on the ground and pad those stats up. You'll feel reallll good about yourself I'm sure when you end up with 150 points in a 15 minute round. Take that medic whores!!

Oh, ........ Some people think they can see ten moves ahead of the game, and I'm one of those people who roll on the floor laughing if these brains realize they took the wrong turnoff and ended up in a dead end.


Eh, makes sense :laugh:

Sounds like you're jealous. Look, just because he's a good pilot doesn't mean his view on Infantry Only are null and void.

Personally if you really wanted a vehicle-lite option to the game you do the following:

• Replace Tanks/APCs with Heavy Jeep spawns
• Replace AA vehicles with Light Jeep spawns
• Remove jets.
• Replace Attack helicopters with Transport Helicopters (i.e. USMC carrier would have 3 Blackhawk spawns)

Call it whatever you want and that's it. Really simple and a good option for server administrators to put into their mix. No need to make the game even more complicated with the current Infantry Only implementation in the BETA patch. (We all know that Medics will be godly and Engineers useless...)


Don't try to be a CS:Source clone. Trying to do that is like trying to put a square block in a round hole. With this vehicle-lite version you keep what's awesome about BF2 without extending wait times - people hate waiting and having to run to the action on foot...that's why you keep the transport vehicles.