No Vehicle option details

[Harmor]

Re: No Vehicle option details

Please reconsider 'infantry mode'. All that was needed was a mode that did the following:

• Replace Tanks/APCs spawns with Heavy Jeeps
• Replace AA vehicle spawns with Light Jeeps
• Remove Jets
• Replace Attack Helicopters spawns with Transport Helicopters (i.e. USMC Wake Island 2007 carrier would now have 3 Blackhawks)

That's it. Add this option for each map for whatever you want to call it and it would add new fun.

I think with all the changes made in the 'infantry mode' currently that its prone to major balance issues. Certain classes, like Medic, are godly while other classes like Engineer become useless.

With all due respect, please, please reconsider the current implementation of 'infantry mode'.

We appreciate you releasing the patch to the public in this BETA. This shows that you are listening to our concerns.


To a solid 1.4 patch.

Harmor

[MooneyBravo]

Re: No Vehicle option details

Re: 1.4 Feedback and Error Reporting:

Please reconsider 'infantry mode'. All that was needed was a mode that did the following:

* Replace Tank spawns with Light Jeeps
* Replace APC/Mobile AA vehicle spawns with Heavy Jeeps
* Remove Attack/Bombing Jet Aircraft
* Replace Assault Helicopter spawns with Transport or Scout Helicopters
* Remove Commander Artillery

That's it. Add this option for each map for whatever you want to call it and it would add new fun. We appreciate you releasing the patch to the public in this BETA. This shows that you are listening to our concerns.

(tweaked Harmor's post to reflect my own feedback(I liked the style))
Mooney Bravo

[asphaltcowboy]

Re: No Vehicle option details

I think if you just leave everything as it is, take out arty, armour, planes and helis it'll all be fine. You need some vehicles to keep all the player classes balanced and in play so keep the heavy and light jeeps (it also means it won't take days for you to walk across a 32/64 player map!). Please don't touch the hit points!

EDIT: Yeah, MooneyBravo's idea is pretty good! Like that a lot!

[imported_Zach]

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I'm with everyone else on this. Jeeps only--change nothing else. Well, change one thing: vehicle collision damage. (They nerfed it once, so they can do it again.)

Ideally (for me), they'd make it so that infantry would just be pushed (and maybe even flung), but not killed. Can imagine with all those jeeps how everyone will just be racing around in them running everyone over? *shudder*

[Eden]

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Infantry only mode reminds me of PRMM :p .

I think the mode is great, and unlike others I think the changes to health etc. are good, one of the main reasons some people get frustrated with PRMM is because you can be killed in 1-3 shots and then have to wait 30 seconds untill someone revives you or you spawn, on top of that there a penalty time (+1 second for every death).

However I would have a look at possibly adding light transport vehicles, most of the maps in BF2 are not really suited for infantry only as there to big and open (muttrah city is an example of probably the only map in PRMM that doesn't have the need for vehicles (except little birds, BH & ribs for transport and BH for cover) as its quite dense, its perfect for infantry only battles.)

I also think $kelet0r made a very good point, people don't want pea shooters, if you have to nerf, nerf up as it keeps everyone happy.

[[DICE]CKMC]

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Good feedback all around guys.

I may be way off base here but please let me know if this solution is a nicer fit to what everyone seems to be requesting:

1. Leave current option
2. Add new server option that is also no vehicles but does not have the modified settings for soldiers.


The debate on whether to include FAV vehicles is something I am really eager to see. I know its pretty much impossible to have a full opinion when most of it is roughly "I think having FAV's would help this option", but any feedback is good feedback.

Also for the bug fix vs new design implementation. It should be noted that the new vehicles setup is something that falls almost entirely onto a designers work load and not a programmers (bug fixer) work load. So when things like this come around its not at the cost of time spent bug fixing.

Sorry to digress there but please keep the quality feedback rolling its very helpful.

[imported_Deliverance]

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Good feedback all around guys.

I may be way off base here but please let me know if this solution is a nicer fit to what everyone seems to be requesting:

1. Leave current option
2. Add new server option that is also no vehicles but does not have the modified settings for soldiers.

Are you saying that one of these two are the available options, or that they could both be employed? If your saying the latter, i assume there would be some catch (like for example number 2. would force the game to be unranked)

If not, I would prefer to see option 2.

[$kelet0r]

Re: No Vehicle option details

Good feedback all around guys.

I may be way off base here but please let me know if this solution is a nicer fit to what everyone seems to be requesting:

1. Leave current option
2. Add new server option that is also no vehicles but does not have the modified settings for soldiers.


The debate on whether to include FAV vehicles is something I am really eager to see. I know its pretty much impossible to have a full opinion when most of it is roughly "I think having FAV's would help this option", but any feedback is good feedback.

Also for the bug fix vs new design implementation. It should be noted that the new vehicles setup is something that falls almost entirely onto a designers work load and not a programmers (bug fixer) work load. So when things like this come around its not at the cost of time spent bug fixing.

Sorry to digress there but please keep the quality feedback rolling its very helpful.

huh?
what everyone wants is BF2 with no armour and no jets and no attack helicopters - Any vehicle with Transport in the name should stay. Artillery must go. EVERYTHING else is fine.
Changing the weapons damage and spawn times was a MISTAKE just as this feedback method is a mistake

Leaving it as it is, is not an option - it was a total mistake. Face up to it and fix it. Don't dance around it because one of the coder's feelings will be hurt

[Bonsai]

Re: No Vehicle option details

Good feedback all around guys.

I may be way off base here but please let me know if this solution is a nicer fit to what everyone seems to be requesting:

1. Leave current option
2. Add new server option that is also no vehicles but does not have the modified settings for soldiers.


The debate on whether to include FAV vehicles is something I am really eager to see. I know its pretty much impossible to have a full opinion when most of it is roughly "I think having FAV's would help this option", but any feedback is good feedback.

Also for the bug fix vs new design implementation. It should be noted that the new vehicles setup is something that falls almost entirely onto a designers work load and not a programmers (bug fixer) work load. So when things like this come around its not at the cost of time spent bug fixing.

Sorry to digress there but please keep the quality feedback rolling its very helpful.

just keep it simple,stick with the current gameplay we have but remove all heavy armour and keep transport vehicles and helis and remove artillary.

im sure all of us have had great infantry only moments with the current system so why feel the need to change it?

[N2K]

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Don't add anything to the game, just try to FIX it for the people having problems. Then once everyone is happy, then you try again to add crap to the game, or then again remove.

[imported_BlueScreen]

Re: No Vehicle option details

Good feedback all around guys.

I may be way off base here but please let me know if this solution is a nicer fit to what everyone seems to be requesting:

1. Leave current option
2. Add new server option that is also no vehicles but does not have the modified settings for soldiers. [...]

IMHO your 1. option is pretty retarded cause of the player health, speed, ... modifications (i.e. 3-4 nades to kill a man or 2 c4 is a joke), but if it's an option who cares ?! :laugh:
2. is too extreme (when you mean there are absolutely NO vehicles on the map) for most maps so i suggest:

Number 3: (like some people said before )
1. replace tanks with heavy jeeps
2. replace apc & aa with light jeeps
3. remove planes
4. replace attack helis with transport ones
5. disable artillery
6. MAYBE place some additional jeeps so fast transport is warranted
7. Leave the rest alone !!!

@all the guys who say: "Don't make an infantry only option": no one forces you to play there, simply choose some other server

@all the guys who say: "Infantry only is an exploit / stat padding": if you really care about your precious points / rank / medals: PLEASE get mental help

@Mr Pmosh: no it won't help if you repeat the same for the 7th time :laugh:

[$kelet0r]

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Number 3: (like some people said before )
1. replace tanks with heavy jeeps
2. replace apc & aa with light jeeps
3. remove planes
4. replace attack helis with transport ones
5. disable artillery
6. MAYBE place some additional jeeps so fast transport is warranted
7. Leave the rest alone !!!

here here! Like a 100 have said already!
Damnit CKMC there is no point in having feedback if you won't listen :cry:

[imported_Deliverance]

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Number 3: (like some people said before )
1. replace tanks with heavy jeeps
2. replace apc & aa with light jeeps
3. remove planes
4. replace attack helis with transport ones
5. disable artillery
6. MAYBE place some additional jeeps so fast transport is warranted
7. Leave the rest alone !!!

here here! Like a 100 have said already!
Damnit CKMC there is no point in having feedback if you won't listen :cry:

Make that 101. I concur.

[Bonsai]

Re: No Vehicle option details

i think we should all just post this as it covers everything that needs done:

1. replace tanks with heavy jeeps
2. replace apc & aa with light jeeps
3. remove planes
4. replace attack helis with transport ones
5. disable artillery
6. MAYBE place some additional jeeps so fast transport is warranted
7. Leave the rest alone !!!

[DrJambo]

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I'd suggest leaving damage as it was and if possible reinstating some of the light transport vehicles to prevent boredom of running from flag to flag on the larger maps. These vehicles are great for squad action and at the same time will give a role for the AT kit in IO.