Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

[Fireflash]

Re: Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

I agree with some stuff then disagree with other.

The fight to get the Holy J-10 is true at most non-admined Wake only servers. I avoid those.

The reason that many pilots don't help by bombing tanks capping your flags is to avoid TKs. Once you set off the bombs nothing will asure you that few insta-punishing smacktards will move to the bombarded area.

Raping the carrier with a jet is not stats padding. Stat padding is inflating the score in an artificial way.

J-10 has a air2air missile repellent while the USMC are missile magnets. If EA/Dice fix that, Wake will become more balanced.

Blame the ranking and awards systems for the lack of teamplay. Players care most about their scores and awards whatever they win or lose.

[RVPilot]

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I'd be glad to tutor you in the art of flying. Once you delve into it, you will find it's not the "easy pointwhoring" task you imagine. I'm not going to defend the indefensible examples you gave. People like those you described are not limited to pilots. I will, however suggest you consider that many of us who fly have in fact been sim flying for many years in other games. Compared to those other flight sims, BF2 is rather easy and our performance demonstrates that. But the road to that point has consumed many thousands of hours of practice both on and offline in various sims.

Many sim pilots have invested heavily in equipment to support their love for that particular aspect of the game. Personally I have over $200 just in the joystick and pedals alone - not to mention the system specs with more ram, better video cards and processors. Others have even more money in control sets. In the end, what you are up against with many of the "elite" pilots are some people who are more dedicated to continual improvement in a particular skill than the average gamer - and it shows. Meanwhile, the lack of mutual respect has been systematically driving the more honorable "elite" pilots out of the game while the tards of whom you speak become more prominent in their place. By grouping me and others like me in one lump, you offer a no-win situation, and while I'm sure the ranting alone comforts you temporarily, it also offers no hope in the long run.

[scottmuecke]

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about T killing pilots, i do it all the time. if im waiting for a jet to spawn and some ****er that shows up 10 mins later and gets in as soon as it spawns i pull out my anti-tank and kill the fool. most likely u all think im a bit of a jet whore but im not, i probably get in a jet 1 in every 20 matches. also i got in a jet as a passenger and the pilot was bitching at me to get out, i asked him y and he said nothing. then he started goin on about how he didnt want "kill assist" points.... what a jerk-off. hows that for teamwork.

[Chris_Redfield]

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A bit full of yourself there arent you ?Your mams taste is great btw

Sarcasm, so close, yet so far away.:cry:

Did you mean I missed your POINT I missed your point because it was utter nonsence.

You mean, the fact that most people come here to post about their bad ingame experiences after they had a very bad game? No, thats not nonsense.

You obviously missed my point here. I mentined age once, as it appeared to me that many of the people who were jet whoring had the maturity of a kid. I didnt mean for it to be taken literally. You go on to decend to this level and prove my point by dragging this thread into a childish arguent by calling me a kid lol

Oh. You mean, youre a kid when you log in to a server, take a jet, while not giving a fvck about anybody else and have your own fun?! Selfishness isnt immaturity. Frankly, there a lots of times when I just fire a game up and play for myself. Playing for the team is cool and all, but its so exhausting. While teamplay is fun for some, its not fun for others. My fun, which I like, creates a safer frag-environment for others. But when I see my team not putting up an effort, I play solely for myself. Most BF2 players have realized that you can depend only on yourself a long time ago, and you cant blame them.

WRONG. You notice every type of vehicle whoring, aswell as every bad commander or stat padder, more so since thee are actually a fair few maps that dont even have jets, but every map has a commander or armored vehicles.

No you dont. You miss the point. You feel the impact of a persn, from a jet, but you dont feel an impact from a persn from a tank because theres many of them. Basically, when a jet kills someone, its usually a little more personal than a kill from a tank.

I even made a point of saying several times that the whole community is riddled with these types of player, but jet pilots, in my opinion are the worst offenders. This is simply because these guys are indeed quite noticible, but not only that, they are LESS useful than other forms of vehicle whores. Also they are also a lot harder to take out, than say a chopepr or tank whore.

Less useful. Let sthink about that. An average pilot, on his LUCKY drop, kills more people than an average tanker. Who has a more noticable impact on the game, provided that were not talking about raping an airfield. I can safely assume that we agree that a jet delivers a more noticable punsh on the battlefield. The difference lies here- tanks prersence is continous, while jet strikes with one single blow. But a jet creates an opportunity to capture a flag far better than a tank does, provided that the drop was successful.

Face it, jet whores contribute NOTHING to the team excpet kill counts

If jet whores dont contribute nothing, do nothing for the team, isnt it contradicting with your next statement? Or, if their presence on the battlefield is not noticable, then why the hell do you have a problem with this? You shouldnt be ene feeling it? And if a jet bombs down an APC en route to you, and you cant see it, can you classify that as an "unnecessary" kill? Open your eyes fella, theres a lot more happening on the battlefield than you.

that rob the game of the fun for the rest of the players. Its no dun for the otehr 60 playes who are constantly being bombed or sitting doing nothing while their planes go off and take care of the enemy as they spawn.

LOL, my god. If you sit around the flagpole and sing kumbaya, then no wonder youre being bombed. Your mistake got you killed. No fun? You need points?! You that desperate? If you want fun, why dont you SWITCH TEAMS then?

They rarely react to order

Maybe they arent in a squad?

I see that youve spent less than an hour in a serious bombing duty. You see, things happen way faster in air than it does on the land. While you set an objective, and march for a flag for a minute, a jet can do 4 passes. A jet is like one squad, a commander, and a squaddie. He has to do snapdecisions in a matter of seconds. While youre doing them in a matter of minutes. The priority list of a bomber is everchanging.

, they often team kill, both deliberately and accidentaly (through poor bombing raids)

You should be thankful they actually try to help you.

and they use things like tanks and jeeps just to get to teh air field quicke. They then spend the whole game either circling the map not helping the flag capturing, spawn raping or camping the jet spawn. If they are such good team players why dont they let someone else ont eh team take the next jet while they go capture a flag?

Lets talk about snipers and their contribution to the team. Or, lets talk about people who have no intention of getting into a jet or a chopper, but just sit on the carrier/airfield. Lets talk about people who take the chopper as their taxi to get to enemy main base to baserape (on foot). A pilot isnt a guy who can fly, a pilot is a guy who is using the air asset. But guys who can fly, but waste the asset by getting somewhere faster, usually infantry heroes, lets talk about them? While were at it, lets talk about stupid people who cant take your medic kit to revive you. Lets talk about tank drivers who run you over while you try to repair them. Lets also talk about people who take the jeep and drive off even though you spam "HEY I NEED A RIDE" million times. You know, there is a lot more retardness going on on land than its in air.

What credit did i give myself? WTF u talking about? Not once did I name or single out anyone,

Oh man.

I generalised yes because it is a very large portion of jet pilots who do this. If you are saying otherwise you are either a jet whore yourself (which its becoming apparant you are) or you are burying your head in the sand.

Im a jet "whore", because I have flown a jet at least 60% of my BF2 total time. But youre the one who has his head burried, youre ignorant. You have no idea what a pilot does in air, you just have a lousy experience with the bad ones and you cry your heart out. Try flying a jet, youll get another view to your problem.

You took my generalisation personally, i didnt a say you were good bad or even ugly.

Im not talking about myself. I could careless if you went personal. Im trying to show you that youre biased, and ignorant, and you have no idea whats really going on. Youre trying to make it look like flying is extremely easy and that pilots arent doing their job. What the hell is their job then? Try to fly, then youll see how hard it actually is for anew pilot to anticipate his teammates moveemnts so he can strategically plan his runs to soften up the defenses. And while he hits a friendly he get spunished, add 3 punishes he got from taking off, its only ONE more to go and he gets banned. You see where Im going?

The only reason you could have took my OPINION personally was if, as i say, you seen glimmers of your own game play in my generalisation. If you are saying the thigns i escribed dont happen on a regular basis all I can say is you must play on a very secluded and sheltered server or you must be very new to the game.

No, damn me if Id TK for a jet. But I do TK with unsuccessful drops, which I regret. My best intentions were with those drops. And you have a hard time understanding that through your inexperience. I frack up a lot as a pilot, but I try to believe that I do more good than evil, and so are many others. Then again, with your kind of attitude, why should any pilot give a damn about you? Your kind?

No doubt there are idiots who do similar and stuid things on land, i never once said there werent. I just hink its not as extreme or as common as it is amoung our fly boi friends. For instance, although it does happen, how many times have you been TK'd so someone else can have the full 4 points for capturing a flag ? or TK you for the tank? It does happen sure, but no where near as often as jet pilots TK for planes.

It actually is common. The reason is simple, you cant be arsed to remember the name, while you remember that its done by a jet. A grenade TK, youll hardly remember this, maybe because you know that accidents happen. A jet bomb is way more powerful. Accidents happen with those aswell, and seems to me you have a hard time accepting that.

Now you are being a complete child. I was ranting, I said that. I was making an opinion about something in game that annoys me. Your opinions of wheather I am doing it cos I am jealous of point scoring is here eitehr here nor there.

If you rant, you cant expect kisses in return.

I never once said it was, in fact my rant is actually more towards the lack of team play, which is the continuing theme of my posts.

And you make it seem as if its pilots fault. When its PLAYERS fault, on land and in air.

The points thing came from your mouth, i cant help it if jets are the stat padders vehicle of choice. It just boils my **** when they hide behind excuses like "oh yea 40-0 kills is helping the team" - BOLLOCKS

Ticket loss- IS helping the team. Helping more than a sniper finishing 12-6.

as above - BOLLOCKS. You use jets because its a safe and easy way of killing without retribution.

Get into a jet and prove me wrong. Do everything you expect me to do, record it on FRAPS and shut me up.

again, at what point in my opinions did I say you were teh worst jet pilot ever? FFS get it into your head. Not one person is going to come on ehre and say "oh eya I hold my hands up im a **** jet pilot, i never listen to instructions, i freely bomb my own team and I often TK for the jet. Does this mean it doesnt happen? Does this mean it rarely happens , NO!

More retardness on land than in air, a lot more.

No im just sick of being tk'ed, having bombs dropped on me when im taking flags, sick of losing half my team because they are all waiting at the jet spawn, sick of losing games because half the team are busy fighting over the jet then getting tked and sick of having GGz spoiled by childish stat padders, thats all. I made no mention of points mate.

You did. You actually did. Im sick of fracked up games myself. Thats where you have to find another server, and keep playing there as a regular, when you have found a good one. Idiots are everywhere, but in some places there are less of them.

As for things being obvious, its quite clear to see what you do all game every game fly boi:)

Yup, never said I wasnt. Im a jet whore. But I dare you right now, to start flying and seeing the dark side of the moon. Youll be unpleasantly surprised.

I can also say that I love ground combat, ONLY if I have a good squad, or my teams air support is covered. Otherwise Im up there.

[Traci_Kila_Lords]

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RV you took many of the words out of my mouth but just to add my 2 pennies:

The sutiation your speeking of Boxman is mostly limited to Wake servers. The skill level of the pilots plays more into who wins on Wake than any other map IMHO.

A large part of the problem as I see it is that the small minority of smaktard pilots get the jets the most because they are willing to go the farthest to get it.

Think about it. In previous posts you say if the jet is not free then the pilot should ground pound. I agree. What does this leave on the spawn waiting for the jet? You guessed it, the person who could care less about doing what is best to help the team.

I will not tk for a jet. Due to this the person that WILL tk for a jet gets the jet more often than I do. Someone that is willing to engage in that behaviour IMO is not going to be as team orinented as someone who will not.

Just by following the guidlines for pilots you lay out ensures that I will get the jet less often.

There are many servers that do not allow base raping of uncaps. That solves at least part of your problem. Moongamers Oman comes to mind.

[Fakky]

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I'm still pretty new to flying, but lately, it's the only thing I like to do, so I guess I'm a plane / helo whore.

First off, I play on servers with a smaller player count, because the more players on a map, the more idiots that want to fly. Smaller player counts drastically reduce the amount of "problems" normally associated with flying in BF2.

I do not TK for planes or helos. If someone is at the spawn point before me then I wait my turn.

I never block the runway with vehicles, stand on the runway or anything stupid like that.

I almost always create my own squad, and when I'm flying with someone in a helo I try to get them on my squad to we can talk voice.

Whenever my commander bothers to give me orders to attack a flag, I attack it immediately until the enemies aren't there anymore. Unfortunately, the commander usually doesn't give follow up orders, so after a while I go back to scouring the landscape for enemy armor / air vehicles.

Yeah, sometimes I bomb the crap out of team-mates, unfortunately. I try my best not to, but when you're flying that high up and that fast it's really hard not to mess up at least a few times per round.

I'd like to say "sorry" but I haven't figured out how to program my joystick to do the radio command thing yet, and taking my hand off of the joystick while flying is...unhealthy.

I never ever tell anyone to "let me fly, because you suck" even if they have crashed the helo five times in a row on takeoff, because if they are worse than me, they'll never get better if they don't get some flight time in.

I never say anything disparaging to my helo gunners, only offer some simple advice if it looks like they're new (hit F9 to remove cockpit view, don't be afraid to try out that TV missile, the TV missile works differently than the TOW / AT missiles, etc.).

Shooting enemy planes or helos while on their pad is distasteful and I usually don't resort to those tactics unless the enemy pilots are repeatedly doing it to me. It's really tempting, though. I need to resist this urge more, I know.

[N2K]

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If I am in the PLA side and there a J10 sitting there, I wont take it. Ill jump as commander and help in that way. Owning with the F35 in the skies is just a big smack in face to the wanna be pilots. The only thing I ask for as a pilot is a way for me to bomb targets as request, maybe like a smoke-nade that only I can see, or those laser things that were used in SOCOM to do an airstrike.

[Chris_Redfield]

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Id also like that, a SQL request on air strike that lets you use the bombs on the targeted area.

[HowieMandel]

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Jets always seem to ruin a good ol' fashioned FPS gunfight between squads. For both teams....with kills, and tk's from a bombing. Then we all gotta respawn, and get to a point where we can fight again.
In all reality most infantry could care less about the planes and choppers flying around, we just want to FPS. We use vehicals for one thing......to get to poing, to point b. Sure if we encounter enemies along the way, we'll use that vehical. But aside from that, once we get to poing b, the vehical is only a problem, we leave along the road.
I've left tanks and apcs before, simply because i'd much rather fight gun vs. gun. Squad vs. squad. Not sit in something where i can spam and get easy kills.
I'll take the harder to get, omg, i got a flag kills.
Which is why urban maps are more popular. Less air to fight with, ruining fun for both teams, imo

[machstem]

Re: Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

Can you repeat what you originally wrote, but in less than 4 paragraphs? I agree, you do need a TOC.

PEACE

[HowieMandel]

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I'd be glad to tutor you in the art of flying. Once you delve into it, you will find it's not the "easy pointwhoring" task you imagine. I'm not going to defend the indefensible examples you gave. People like those you described are not limited to pilots. I will, however suggest you consider that many of us who fly have in fact been sim flying for many years in other games. Compared to those other flight sims, BF2 is rather easy and our performance demonstrates that. But the road to that point has consumed many thousands of hours of practice both on and offline in various sims.

Many sim pilots have invested heavily in equipment to support their love for that particular aspect of the game. Personally I have over $200 just in the joystick and pedals alone - not to mention the system specs with more ram, better video cards and processors. Others have even more money in control sets. In the end, what you are up against with many of the "elite" pilots are some people who are more dedicated to continual improvement in a particular skill than the average gamer - and it shows. Meanwhile, the lack of mutual respect has been systematically driving the more honorable "elite" pilots out of the game while the tards of whom you speak become more prominent in their place. By grouping me and others like me in one lump, you offer a no-win situation, and while I'm sure the ranting alone comforts you temporarily, it also offers no hope in the long run.

Your arguement works. And works well.
However, as an infantry fighter, I too have spent hundreds on hipo mice, keyboards, headsets, and the like, to become, what i hope, a better then average first person shooter........gamer. Modesty aside, i think i do well, and justify my expenses, when I see im a top 5 or better player on a server after a round.
However, until i can shoot 5 cluster bombs into the air at you, that will blow up about 3 square bf2 miles of "in air stuff"............well you figure it out.
Not being sarcastic or mean about it, just a simple rebuttle

[imported_RingMasTeR]

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it's not a debate, it's a useless rant... and has no place in a discussion forum.

[HowieMandel]

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what??!!! This discussion has no place in a discussion forum?

[Brindled]

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i feel you, boxman, nice rant btw. however, i probably have more time in a flight vehicle than anything. this doesnt mean i have no groundpounding skills, it just means i bought this game because it mixed fps with somewhat of a flight sim (of course, not a true sim).

with that said, i am also one of those pilots who assists ground troops. i affirm people's spots so they know they can rely on my support. i thank them back if they thank me for helping. they did just help me get a kill... so i appreciate the spot, which most groundpounders don't. this rant could be reversed, and aimed towards all the people who play this game for themselves and not the team (not just pilots).

frustration seems to go hand-in-hand with this game.

i wish the development team had left the ground troops with laser designators, then less tk's would occur while giving support.

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

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Thats a good point, but there should also be some other kind of help. Since the topic started had a bad round in Wake just a moment ago, lets talk about Wake :laugh: .

Its up for the air force to soften the landing area. Up for the air force to soften defense for your offense. I think topic started has air force roles in mind, not their killing capabilities.

Metallica can tell his story of 99-0 and his team still losing. Sometimes a skilled pilot cant make up for the retardes ground troops. Oh hell, I could make SUCH a great topic on retarded ground troopers...

Oh yeah.. that was a fun round...

I had all the J-10's, choppers, tanks, AA, and random troops.... CONSTANTLY being killed, by me.

And guess what my team was doing!

At least 6-8 of them were waiting for the jet the WHOLE round... they kept crashing. Then like 8 of them were waiting for the chopper.

I have no idea how the hell we lost... You can't say it was me "pointwhoring" and not helping the team... trust me... The ONLY way you can not help your team, is by crashing alot/not getting any kills... any kill you get "helps the team".... the MORE you get, well thats even better! Cause it drains the other teams tickets.

BUT, ANY time I see an enemy tank spotted, EVERY time I bomb the ****ing thing I get like 3 TK's and 2 kills...

So if you are gonna spot the ****ing thing, EXPECT IT to be bombed, and RUN... please...

Just for the record, I DO bomb every tank spotted unless I am in a dogfight, but I get so ****ed off when I get TK's... especially if it's from the guy who requested the bombing!





Now, TS, I think you just need to stop the bitching... and start playing USMC or something so you won't be bored. I never play chinese... And if I do, It's because I have to.. because it's a server rule to switch teams or you get banned. Then I just wait for the Z-10. I haven't flown a J-10 for a while... because I ****ing hate them.






Sorry.. this was kind of a vent on dumbass groundtroopers that blame everything on the people in the jet... when they themselves don't do JACK ****! And then the people that request tanks to be bombed, then stand on the ****ing thing with all their other teamates!