Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

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  • specops10-4

    #91
    Re: Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

    Originally posted by boxman80
    I despise jet pilots on BF2, this is simply because I beleive they are the worst type of BF2 player and the jets are completey out balanced inthe game. They also totaly go against the grain of the whole game emphasis on team work.

    Now this isnt simply because I get killed way too many times by jet pilots either bombing me into the ground repeatedly at a spawn, or even machine gunning me down from over a kilometer away, its not even the fact that they are dificult to counter measure on many maps because of the lack of decent mobile AA guns. This hatered goes much deeper. To me they compeltely spoil the game because so many bloody people try to use them to stat pad their own scores and say to hell withthe rest of the team.

    Many of these "leet" pilots will do anything to get in a bloody jet, and if you by some fortuante chance are the first person in one at the start of a map you can certainly expect to be TKed by one fo these uber leet pilots who considers themselves to be much better than you, therefore must kill you to take the jet from you. . Failing that,you can expect some nob end to throw themselves in front of you to make u TK them so they can punish you. Or their other bitter favourite trick is to C4 your jet and let u take off b4 detonating! The 4 points they lose as punishment doesnt matter as they will soon be earnign more points once they are in t he sky.

    Most jet pilots will do ANYTHING to get to the jet spawn point:-

    - TK
    - Taking the teams only tank to use to get to the jet spawn point
    - Using the only transports to get there
    - blowing up someone elses jet to get it to respawn.
    - Taking the attack chopper to get to the enemies air strip
    - Ignore the enemies flags in order to get the 'Holy' J10
    - Ignoring commander/squad leader orders in order to go get the jet (and usually takign the squads onyl mode of transprot to make their journey quicker, and to mow down their team mates who are also trying to do the same thing!)

    Initially they join a squad, usuall the biggest squad or the squad withtheir mates in. Oviously this is a waste of time becuause they wont be taking orders from their squad leader and cant capture flags if they are in their jet! Their own spin on squad orders is much better, they have their own ideas as to how they can contribute to the squad. When the squad leader is instructing people to get to a flag he obviously doesnt mean the guy int he jet, he obviously want this jet guy to "help the team" by killing the guys spawning on the enemies main base.

    If they went in their own suad this would be more useful as at lest the commander could TRY to order them to objectives. But these guys know better than any commander or squad leader anyway, they can win this battle on their own so no orders will be relevant to them.

    Once the typical BF2 jet fighter is in the air, particuarly on maps like wake when they are the chinese, they see it as their dutry to stop the enemy getting to the main island, taking all their teams share of the kill points, meaning that the other 99% of their team are left stranded on the island with nothing to do because the jet pilots are taking all the kills by spawn raping the enemy. However spawn raping doesnt apply to them, its only the commanders who arent allowed to attack the opposition main base! By taking out the enemy they are ensuring the team wins, it doesnt matter if everyone else is resigned to sitting at an empty with nothing to do.

    Once a full on battle is underway you would think this would be where the aviators shine and they would do their team duties and help their team by at least attacking their squad leaders objective flags. They would be a great asset if they were used to clear the way for the land bourne attack force, taking out all the enemy troops, gun emplacements or more importantly heavy armour at the objective enemy flag But alas, no, once they are in the air there is just one way of bumping their score and that is spawn raping! The best way to really rack up the points and improve on that frag rate and win some awards is to attack the enemies main airstrip base, especially if the enemy is the US and on the carrier.

    Repeatedly flying over their air strip will almost cerainly meant you get to take out the enemy who are also not contributing to their team by camping the jet and chopper spawns.

    Occasionally the typical jet pilot does lend out a helping hand and drops a bomb on your intended flag ,... while you are taking it, thus killing your entire squad in one fatal sweep. Sometimes they do give the "sorry, my bad" call sign but usually they dont.

    You and your team respawn, at your main base, however theres an enemy tank there spawn raping your team! You eventually find cover and you are down to you last bar of health! Sureely this is a job for the Iron birds - they can swoop in and take this steel beast out with one swift bombing campaign!

    You call in your "maverick", point out the armor,
    "enemy armor spotted"
    ..... nothing, maybe he's resupplying...
    ....you wait
    ,.....your flag is starting to go
    ..........."enemy armor spotted".........
    still nothing
    .......................you finally have to risk being slottted while defensless and typing a message to your pilots:-

    "can you guys come bomb the enemy tank, we are pinned down and losing our flags fast"

    ......

    no reply.

    You try again

    "HEY PILOTS<>> CAN YOU CO...."

    mid sentance you are knifed by the tank driver who has finally captured the flag and given up waiting for you to come out of your hiding place.

    So the inevitible happens and your team are now losing, you are down to your last flag and the enemy are bombing and artying the hell out of your last base, your team are unlucky enough to be losing badly. God know how they would be losing with the "king of the sky" on their team ::), but if they are. Its at this point you need every man in your team to attack a flag, your airstrip is long gone and your flyboys are all out of ammo.

    Surely these guys to birdman to an undefended flag and quickly capture it to get the guys whoa are dead back into the game, aren't they? No one could be that dumb, stubborn or selfish could they? No it's not that its just that these guys have an even BETTERr plan, they will fly around the map, until everyone on their team is dead. That way the opponants cant get them, unless they get in a jet, and there is NO WAY the opposition are as good as them in a jet, not a chance, not even when they themselves have no ammo! So they then proceed to fly around the map for about 10 minutes while their dead comrades sit bored looking at a rubbish team score and cursing their twat pilots.

    The game is over but these guys refuse to be killed, they are true BF2 kings! ::)

    Most jet pilots are the same, complete tosserswho are only interested in racking up points and are alergic to capturing flags. God knows why they even bother to join a squad because they have nointention of following orders or helping their squad out. The game is so unbalanced towards jets, paticuarly J10's. There needs to be more AA ****er measures on many maps and better punishments dished out for people who TK jet pilots. Also a better way of scoring points for members who DO follow orders and less points for jet kills in hones opinion.

    I know I'm going to get a load of 12 year old fly boys now defending their maverick antics and saying stuff like i suck at flying or just kill jets with other jets but its all BS. In many servers its far too dificult to try and get into a jet and there is way too much TKing going on for them and Attack choppers, and thats a fact.

    Anyway, let the attacking of my opinions commence... :)

    Someone needs to call the WAAAAAAAAMUBLULANCE....
    Have you tried Halo? Its easier to kill the little kiddies there. GG

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    • USI_Krusher
      Member
      • Nov 2005
      • 443

      #92
      Re: Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

      90% of the time as US on Wake, my squad mates and I capture the airfield within the first minute. We try to hold it, but, many times we end up losing it to overwhelming forces. Unfortunately, even after spamming "we need support" and typing "SPAWN ON 3" many times, rarely does anyone else spawn on us.

      Yes, there are smacktards who tk for jets, and I wish that would be fixed in a future patch, but, it's not going to happen. Having said that, although Wake is favored for the Chinese, the US can win it easily, if done properly. Once they lose their main, and you can successfully defend it, it's all over but the crying.

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      • colony

        #93
        Re: Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

        Originally posted by 2MinuteWarning
        Bah! I hate the comparisons to the flyboys "if you hate vehicles go to CSS".. well in the same regards, why dont you guys go to Flight Sims to where you have a little bit more competition. Hell I played CFS and I thought that was a cool ride. They should make a map with everyone starting in planes and once they are shot down they respawn in aircrap again. I have no problem fighting on ground. Its more competitive than just fly around looking for the massive red dots clumped together. Then reload and repeat. To me thats no skill.
        Its not just the dogfighting, its the bombing the hell out of the noobs on the ground while they cry for mercy that makes it all the more fun :laugh:

        Its a team based game, and if your players dont know how to use the assets, well tough luck. thats just the way the cookie crumbles

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        • Chris_Redfield
          Member
          • Oct 2006
          • 5986

          #94
          Re: Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

          Originally posted by 2MinuteWarning
          Bah! I hate the comparisons to the flyboys "if you hate vehicles go to CSS".. well in the same regards, why dont you guys go to Flight Sims to where you have a little bit more competition. Hell I played CFS and I thought that was a cool ride. They should make a map with everyone starting in planes and once they are shot down they respawn in aircrap again. I have no problem fighting on ground. Its more competitive than just fly around looking for the massive red dots clumped together. Then reload and repeat. To me thats no skill.
          You cant really compare BF2 flight-fight to sims at all. BF2 flight attracts with something different. While peopel are saying "its still an old fashioned FPS" they indirectly compare BF to CS. BF2 is a battlefield arcadimulation. Jets and tanks, although just a part of the battlefield, are a part which makes the game what it is. The part that calls in new players. If you disagree, fire up Knife and Pistol servers search, check how popular they are compared to the trye and raw, vehicle included game.

          Originally posted by colony
          Its not just the dogfighting, its the bombing the hell out of the noobs on the ground while they cry for mercy that makes it all the more fun :laugh:

          Its a team based game, and if your players dont know how to use the assets, well tough luck. thats just the way the cookie crumbles
          It amazes me that people blame the game, when in reality the players are to blame. The lack of skilled pilots on your team- is a problem, of lacking skilled pilots on your team, not DICEs balance problem.

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          • Brindled
            Member
            • Oct 2005
            • 1068

            #95
            Re: Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

            Originally posted by 2MinuteWarning
            They should make a map with everyone starting in planes and once they are shot down they respawn in aircrap again.
            someone has made a map like this, called Bf2c Wake Air Show. the only problem is that it's not ranked, so it doesnt get much play, but if they did rank it i guarantee that not as many pilots would play the other maps.

            http://www.fileplanet.com/162402/dow...C-Wake-Airshow




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            • BoozeMonkey

              #96
              Re: Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

              wow...what a discusion...i ...sniff sniff am a jet whore...AND PROUD OF IT!!!! ive never t'ked for a vehicle. And i DO help my team. The problem that haunts jets is the same that haunts choppers and anything else in bf2 is just sometimes you get a newbie(or a jerk) in the seat and he really doesnt know whats up. Or hell even me sometimes ive just poped into a server and see the planes sitting there and on my first run boom tk...punish..punish..punish but after that im good the whole round one thing thats helped me immensly is hit "m" to bring up your map..set transparancy to 100 and keep it up while flying,and guess what no tk's ever again! but to people that say flying takes no skill...they are nutts!. and by the way all you crybabys ive gotten WAY MORE POINTS GROUNDPOUNDING than i ever will flying. but flying is what i love to do, its one of the reasons bf2 is my favorite game!

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              • boxman80

                #97
                Re: Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

                god, someone opena window, it stinks of jet fan boi's in here,.....

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                • Chris_Redfield
                  Member
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 5986

                  #98
                  Re: Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

                  LOL. I heard they installed conditioners in the whaaaambulance vehicles.



                  Made for SWAT4 players by SWAT4 player. but I guess the car still looks nice.

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                  • boxman80

                    #99
                    Re: Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

                    Hey, it only works if i'm denying its a rant, which im clearly not. I said from the start its just a rant, you guys are the ones taking it to heart. Everyone like a rant, i hate jetwhores, nothig said will change that, jetwhores hate ground pounders, nothing i said will change that. All is well with the world.

                    / Rant

                    (ps. jet whores suck)

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                    • Chris_Redfield
                      Member
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 5986

                      #100
                      Re: Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

                      Originally posted by boxman80
                      Hey, it only works if i'm denying its a rant, which im clearly not. I said from the start its just a rant, you guys are the ones taking it to heart. Everyone like a rant, i hate jetwhores, nothig said will change that, jetwhores hate ground pounders, nothing i said will change that. All is well with the world.

                      / Rant

                      (ps. jet whores suck)
                      No we dont.

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                      • HAWK503

                        #101
                        Re: Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

                        I think that jets can be a vital asset of an army when used properly and efficiently. for example when an enemy jet is bombing the crap out of your outpost a friendly jet can take him out much faster than stinger sites, and vice versa when you need to bombard an outpost and you're waiting for artillery to replenish a jet can take out the troops or tanks that are holding the outpost easily.

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                        • USI_Krusher
                          Member
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 443

                          #102
                          Re: Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

                          Originally posted by BoozeMonkey
                          one thing thats helped me immensly is hit "m" to bring up your map..set transparancy to 100 and keep it up while flying,and guess what no tk's ever again!
                          I'm am very guilty of too many tk's bombing without looking at minimap first. I'm definitely going to try that suggestion.

                          Don't you just hate it when there are 4 armors capping a flag, and you have 1 sniper right in the middle of them. You drop bombs, get 4 or more kills, + 1 Tk and the sniper punishes you. I guess he was going to scare them until they blew up?

                          Sorry, but blowing up multiple armors and TKing one team mate is worth it IMO.

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                          • boxman80

                            #103
                            Re: Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

                            Originally posted by HAWK503
                            I think that jets can be a vital asset of an army when used properly and efficiently. for example when an enemy jet is bombing the crap out of your outpost a friendly jet can take him out much faster than stinger sites, and vice versa when you need to bombard an outpost and you're waiting for artillery to replenish a jet can take out the troops or tanks that are holding the outpost easily.
                            Yea I agree, the jets are a great asset and fantastic when they are used by a good pilot who is a team player and makes an effort towards his team, but far too often they arent and a large number of players are too obsessed with trying to own ina jet because it is a simple and quick way to earn points, rather thanmucking in with their team mates. Selfish misuse of the jet doesnt contibute to the team, its detremental to the team, thats my opinion.

                            Jet whores can call me a moaning bitch all they want, but its true. I have nothing against a good jet pilot who is working for his team, its the selfish ones who tk and make no effort at all to help their team that boil my ****. I dont feel its unfair to say that there are far too many jet wores on the game and that this is the worst type of whoring, except perhaps the old commander whores.

                            I know the boy redfield seems to think the problem is simply that jet whores are more noticible because they have a bigger impact on ground forces and make it "personal". In a way yes this is correct, they do have more of an impact because of their natural unit strengths, which is what I am saying, which means that when this unit is misused it does have a big impact of the game, all the more reason for it not to be misused, wouldnt you say?

                            In almost every game, in every round there is always a big queue waiting for the jets, usually tks to get them and always incidental tks when making bombing runs (which by the way I accept is often the assault forces faults as much as the jet pilots) which makes it a common problem too. So common that its got to the stage where I now hate the majority of jet pilots because of my in game experiences. You can pretty much guarantee its going to be some "maverick" arsehole up in the sky rather than an experienced, team player, therefore its pointless working with them because they certainly aint going to be working with you.

                            And no, this isnt about me not being able to fly, I can fly, i dont mind flying and had it not its just too much hassle getting a jet and not worth the waiting around, (I prefer an active role rather than sitting on a runway all round). Nor is this about me resenting higher point scores, I rarely get into the top 3 players and dont mind to see a good commander or great player sitting at the top of the pile, not if they earned it, it just adds to the game experience and makes it fun. My rant stems from the fact that this blaitant misue of a team asset spoils good games.

                            Now I feel that is a fair comment and a fair opinion, although I have initially generalised, I have explained this is because the problem of misusing jets is far too common. Again, I have no problems and prefer a jet to be used by a compoatant and skilled pilot if its going to help our team, but I dont think you can argue that 8 or 9 times out of 10 its not going to be, and you all know that. Its far more likely to be the little prick who has tked his team mate to get the jet and is far more interested in raking upa kill count to be concerned with wheather his team mates are on the flag he just bombed needlessly. Anyone who says otherwise or takes offense to my words must be either that type of player or have such a limited interlect that they cannot comprehend or appreciate the value of good team play games.

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                            • zipp0r

                              #104
                              Re: Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

                              Originally posted by boxman80
                              Hey, it only works if i'm denying its a rant, which im clearly not. I said from the start its just a rant, you guys are the ones taking it to heart. Everyone like a rant, i hate jetwhores, nothig said will change that, jetwhores hate ground pounders, nothing i said will change that. All is well with the world.

                              / Rant

                              (ps. jet whores suck)

                              ok i can rant about nubs like you that whine all day about planes being easy, no skill e.t.c
                              it makes me laugh when i kill people like you too especially when i get them 5 or ten times in a row in the same place every time. they never learn :laugh: :laugh:

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                              • FSK300

                                #105
                                Re: Why I hate jet pilots (My rant)

                                I don't mind our plane jocks bombing the stuffing out of flags, even if I get killed on contested ones on occasion. I never punish a bombing run TK...hell, I never punish anything but intentional TKs for vehicles anyway.

                                What I hate is when we get raped by a red attack chopper that's flown by some ungodly super pilot, and I repeatedly spot the damn thing and ask for help from our flyboys, and they can't be bothered to blot the attack chopper out of the sky for us because bombing the enemy uncappable is just so much more rewarding than coming across the map and wasting a chopper for a measly two kills.

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