Setting some facts straight.

[sR Craig]

Re: Setting some facts straight.

Wargimp,
Ok so Moongamers, strafeRight, RAW, ect...we're all idiots that don't know how to run a server? And our hosts don't know how to patch? Mmk...now let me set the facts straight:

Your RR server has crashed at least three times just today. Notice those spikes in your GM monitor where over half your clients leave? That's a crash...it fills back up slowly but shortly thereafter, boom, you have another crash. Even the worst maps, which you don't have in rotation, don't cause such mass exodus.

Anyone remember 'Baghdad Bob'? "The Americans are NOT coming! We have fought them off back to their own lands!" Meanwhile M1A's are rolling in behind him.

I can understand clients not having problems...I patched fine on my client...but don't even attempt to say the server package is not broken and those of us who take this very seriously don't know what we're doing. I assure you, most of us are quite capable hosts, admins, programmers, ect, and can smell a turd when one is dropped onto a cold tile floor.

[Alcorr]

Re: Setting some facts straight.

I keep my gaming rig in excellent shape, and I have ZERO problems with any other games. I don't even run a browser on my gaming rig, so I don't inadvertantly download a bunch of spyware.

Same here, although I do run browsers on my gaming pc, its not my pc, no game I have ever played before has EVER CTDed as much as bf2, and Ive played them just as long, SWG, C&C generals, DOW, WA, CIV III, Freespace, EVE...etc...

[imported_Wreck]

Re: Setting some facts straight.

Have you tried re-installing the full patch?
Cleared your cashe?
Run a full scan for garbage apps?
Checked your background processes?

Just to be sure, trying this: http://housecall.trendmicro.com/
It's a very handy FREE on-line scanner. Even if it doesn't help ya, it's a good link to have bookmarked for future referance.

This is a matter that's better suited to the support forums... but since ya posted here, what the hell.

Not to downplay your advice, but I'm far from a noob. I one of the go to guys in the tech center, and I'm not asking for help...

I have full pay versions of Ad aware and Webroot spysweeper. I use avast antivirus pro which is also the pay version.

I probably have one of the cleanest ship shape PC's in this whole forum.

I reformat my PC regularly due to Battlefield and XFI compatibility issues.

Nothing you listed would cause this specific CTD except bad patching. I've reinstalled the game twice and patched with two different 1.3 full versions.

I clean my cache regularly because of this games stupid bugs. For instance loading me into a map with lighting on high and AA off when I clearly have lighting on low and AA on in my video settings.

Instead I'm just not going to play this garbage game, and wait for the mods to come out.

[WarGimp]

Re: Setting some facts straight.

Wish I could say I agree, but I disagree with you Wargimp.

Squad teamwork for clan members, with hopping removed, is fine for match play, but expecting a bunch of pub all stars that aren't on the same Ventrilo or TS to work together, is a joke. It will NEVER be like it is with a team of 6 guys all on the same page, vs 6 guys not able to communicate. Squad hopping alleviated some of that lack of communication in pubs and made it fun for many of us.

Your opinions are valid, I just disagree.

Rather well said...

But my experience seems to differ from yours.
Case in point: I was playing on the R2 server last night and all the Rebels had gone to bed. I started a squad and went for it. Soon people were joining... but I wasn't getting a lot of support from 'em. In game VoiP happened to be down due to some techincal issues (non-patch releated), so I stopped and typed out "Guys, I need your support! Spawn on me and back me up!!".
15 seconds later, there they were. Even without voice communications, we were able to pull off some crazy teamwork. I had a GREAT go at the hotel flag on Mash by hiding inside the building (the enemy still had the flag) and was supported by a medic who kept me going while the rest of 'em pushed hard on that flag. Another brilliant moment came when we were able to set up a brutal crossfire on the backyard that tore the enemy to pieces.

For the whole round I was able to keep close to the action and ended out with 14 kills 3 deaths. This is without voice and leading a rag-tag collection of pubbers. Damn, it was FUN!

[snuggnads]

Re: Setting some facts straight.

Lucky you I guess, I had 8 CTD's and 6 server crashes within a couple of hours. But according to some around here I am just seeing things that are not there. Yeah right

Several, infact regular CTD's now, was never a problem before patch 1.3.
Server browser borked, EA admitted this today on their community update and are rolling back the server change.

on the good side:
could just be the 3 or 4 post patch servers I played on, but I seemed to run much smoother online, better fps, less lag, but did also just install Forceware beta 91.28 driivers....who knows.

[WarGimp]

Re: Setting some facts straight.

Not to downplay your advice, but I'm far from a noob. I one of the go to guys in the tech center, and I'm not asking for help...

No worries... ya never know where the techinical skills of folks are so covering the basics doesn't hurt.

Keep pounding at it. I hope ya manage to figure something out.

[KingJungle]

Re: Setting some facts straight.

Did it occur to you that the server may have been mis-configured or improperly patched?

Haven't had a problem with the R2 server.

No way WG...it has got to be EA / DICE...LOL....not like anyone else has ever done anything wrong...LOL...it could never just be that the patch did not install right...LOL

I am so tired of hearing all the issues with no one but others to blame. Maybe I was one of the lucky ones, but hey, I have had no issues, works great, FPS is about the same...no extra lag...squads were stronger than ever last night...new bage requirements dont mean that much...

So, overall...good job...works a treat. I am STILL playing it

[zipp0r]

Re: Setting some facts straight.

ok obviously if some of your files got corrupted you will run into trouble, your map differs or just wont load and stuff, but you just re-install the game dont you ?

and i standby what i said, if your computer is fully stable and passing stability tests you wont CTD.

strega, run some stability tests for 24hours each, dont dismiss that your pc could have something really small like a bad ram timing or not enough vdimm or things like that.


wargimp: Zip, it's been confirmed that 3rd party ranking apps have caused CTDs.
thats not the default vanilla game doing it though is it? your asking it to connect to some other stats server

[HypnosisFX]

Re: Setting some facts straight.

The fact that I had no problems installing the patch or running after patching. The fact that no one I personally know has had any problems.

Ill be calling BS on this one. sorry but i dont belive that crap for a second. my system is a monster and ive had 2 crash's since patch. Your server has crashed 3 times the last time i was on. and everytime i join a server nomatter who's it is i see more disconnect message's than kill one's.

Evidence: Yer reading this aren't you? If you're a Vet or a hardcore gamer, obviously BF2 has managed to interest you enough to hang out this long.

Been gaming since Quake 1, Competition for many many years in many Multiplayer games putting in the 4-5 hours a night and 3 hour practice's. updating my rig every 2 years to keep up with the demand the newer games come out with. But i draw the line on garbage patch's that make the game unstable for some and unplayable for others. Its not fair that we the customer supporting the game maker and making there pockets fat have to deal with a game that has day 1 bugs still in it.

[WarGimp]

Re: Setting some facts straight.

Ill be calling BS on this one. sorry but i dont belive that crap for a second. my system is a monster and ive had 2 crash's since patch. Your server has crashed 3 times the last time i was on. and everytime i join a server nomatter who's it is i see more disconnect message's than kill one's.

You can call BS all ya like, but the fact remains a fact.
Of all the guys I personally know that play BF2, none have had stability problems post-patch that weren't present before it.

Diconnects are another matter, tho. It's been confirmed that there really was an issue with BF2/GS communications and it should be resolved once servers are restarted (the fix was apparently applied at 2:00 PST today).

[imported_Wreck]

Re: Setting some facts straight.

ok obviously if some of your files got corrupted you will run into trouble, your map differs or just wont load and stuff, but you just re-install the game dont you ?

and i standby what i said, if your computer is fully stable and passing stability tests you wont CTD.

strega, run some stability tests for 24hours each, dont dismiss that your pc could have something really small like a bad ram timing or not enough vdimm or things like that.


wargimp: Zip, it's been confirmed that 3rd party ranking apps have caused CTDs.
thats not the default vanilla game doing it though is it? your asking it to connect to some other stats server

You are so full of it. You can stand by what you said all you want, but that doesn't make you right.

You obviously know nothing about PC's or you would see from my sig that everything I have is adequate to run this game. I'm 24/7 prime/memtest stable at the overclocks listed in my sig.

I can play all other maps fine except Mashtuur. I can sometimes get into Mashtuur. How would you explain a random CTD at the exact same moment I load this specfic map? It's obviously the patch that did it.

[imported_cybercrow]

Re: Setting some facts straight.

You can call BS all ya like, but the fact remains a fact.
Of all the guys I personally know that play BF2, none have had stability problems post-patch that weren't present before it.

Diconnects are another matter, tho. It's been confirmed that there really was an issue with BF2/GS communications and it should be resolved once servers are restarted (the fix was apparently applied at 2:00 PST today).

it dosnt say today in the post that EA made it says
The reversion will occur at 2:00 PST. We are continuing to review other issues players have noted with 1.3. Further updates will be posted to this space as they become available."
also it say PST this site runs in GMT so either you got your times wrong or your lying about the reverted back today?

[Strega]

Re: Setting some facts straight.

Rather well said...

But my experience seems to differ from yours.
Case in point: I was playing on the R2 server last night and all the Rebels had gone to bed. I started a squad and went for it. Soon people were joining... but I wasn't getting a lot of support from 'em. In game VoiP happened to be down due to some techincal issues (non-patch releated), so I stopped and typed out "Guys, I need your support! Spawn on me and back me up!!".
15 seconds later, there they were. Even without voice communications, we were able to pull off some crazy teamwork. I had a GREAT go at the hotel flag on Mash by hiding inside the building (the enemy still had the flag) and was supported by a medic who kept me going while the rest of 'em pushed hard on that flag. Another brilliant moment came when we were able to set up a brutal crossfire on the backyard that tore the enemy to pieces.

For the whole round I was able to keep close to the action and ended out with 14 kills 3 deaths. This is without voice and leading a rag-tag collection of pubbers. Damn, it was FUN!

This type of thing happes to me on RARE occasion. Sure, it happens, maybe ONE in ten maps I actually get random pubbers to join my squad and ACTUALLY help. I give orders, I set waypoints, rarely do I ever get support unless I log into Ventrilo and play with my buddies.

Myself (NOVA|Strega), NOVA|HypnosisFX, SFXTobacco, Tappicola, Funwear, & DocShay try to play together as much as possible, but we're not always on at the same time. If we're on together, I have no problems with the squad hopping being removed, because we all talk and all work together. When they aren't on and I'm solo, pubs tend to just SUCK.

[WarGimp]

Re: Setting some facts straight.

This type of thing happes to me on RARE occasion. Sure, it happens, maybe ONE in ten maps I actually get random pubbers to join my squad and ACTUALLY help. I give orders, I set waypoints, rarely do I ever get support unless I log into Ventrilo and play with my buddies.

Myself (NOVA|Strega), NOVA|HypnosisFX, SFXTobacco, Tappicola, Funwear, & DocShay try to play together as much as possible, but we're not always on at the same time. If we're on together, I have no problems with the squad hopping being removed, because we all talk and all work together. When they aren't on and I'm solo, pubs tend to just SUCK.

Happens with me fairly constantly. I seem to be more likely to get some good teamwork going in a pub than not. This is likely an artifact of me playing on a regular server with some loyal players and building up a reputation over time. I'm not a super high scoring player (most of the time), but folks seem to have learned that they can count on me to do certain things... like play smart.

[Ghilleman]

Re: Setting some facts straight.

I like the patch and the changes it made, i personally have only suffered CTD 2 times (and that was in 1.2). The only problems i have with this patch is ridiculous connect times to the EA account server, and a lag issue i've had since 1.22. I have a ping of 50 most of times, but i'll show you a lag of 250. Even my EA logo lags! now thats good gaming! But despite this lag issue, i still have fun, and it makes the game even better for me, becuase anyone i kill was killed by a guy who can't aim for monkey doodles because of lag.