BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

[deadman2312]

Re: BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

Times
Total 410:06:12
Commander 12:16:09
Squad Leader 190:13:30
Squad Member 98:35:25
Lone Wolf 108:53:56

Thats me there. No, not godly, but proficient enough to chime in here. I am a squad leader....

The game play isnt slower now. Tanks do not "now" own Karkand, they always f^cking have, always will man. Most massive, powerful killing machines will destroy smaller targets, thats a given...but that isnt even close to the issue here.

This squad adjustment does little to nothing negative. The only downside has been mentioned, and you can not rotate squad leader position now, that is the only downfall, but it wasnt meant to be used in that fashion anyways. Dice enhanced BF2 with the option of squads, with the intent, a soldier forms a squad, and stays the leader, until the bitter sweet end, after victory has been announced, and you either are standing, or fallen, not for tards to spawn, give away positions, and leave, only to get wasted 2 seconds later. There is nothing more annoying to me in the game, than someone, just jumping in my squad, using my excellent infiltration to thier advantage, and then leaving. Stupid sh!ts....a way to get around a map, helicopter, Humvee, buggy, jeep, or your god given feet, not teleportation for F^CKS SAKE! I mean seriously, teleportation speeds up the game? Nuh uh, sorry, you are playing wrong if you lack action, and speed. The fiddling of this option was well needed.

Second of all, it really disappoints me to see people flaming good players about this. Most of you simply DO NOT understand the dynamics of the system. Most people that are angry about this change, were the ones whom abused/misused it. Troybob is a good player, have i played with him in game ever? NO, but i have sat on my ass reading his inteligent, respectful and contributing posts for some time now, he was completely undeserving of the bashing he recieved here so far, as he has always offered an honest opinion.

I always form a squad as soon as i enter a map for some time now, and playing yesterday i saw absolutely, positively no problems with squads as things are now. Sorry.

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

Re: BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

Times
Total 410:06:12
Commander 12:16:09
Squad Leader 190:13:30
Squad Member 98:35:25
Lone Wolf 108:53:56

Thats me there. No, not godly, but proficient enough to chime in here. I am a squad leader....

The game play isnt slower now. Tanks do not "now" own Karkand, they always f^cking have, always will man. Most massive, powerful killing machines will destroy smaller targets, thats a given...but that isnt even close to the issue here.

This squad adjustment does little to nothing negative. The only downside has been mentioned, and you can not rotate squad leader position now, that is the only downfall, but it wasnt meant to be used in that fashion anyways. Dice enhanced BF2 with the option of squads, with the intent, a soldier forms a squad, and stays the leader, until the bitter sweet end, after victory has been announced, and you either are standing, or fallen, not for tards to spawn, give away positions, and leave, only to get wasted 2 seconds later. There is nothing more annoying to me in the game, than someone, just jumping in my squad, using my excellent infiltration to thier advantage, and then leaving. Stupid sh!ts....a way to get around a map, helicopter, Humvee, buggy, jeep, or your god given feet, not teleportation for F^CKS SAKE! I mean seriously, teleportation speeds up the game? Nuh uh, sorry, you are playing wrong if you lack action, and speed. The fiddling of this option was well needed.

Second of all, it really disappoints me to see people flaming good players about this. Most of you simply DO NOT understand the dynamics of the system. Most people that are angry about this change, were the ones whom abused/misused it. Troybob is a good player, have i played with him in game ever? NO, but i have sat on my ass reading his inteligent, respectful and contributing posts for some time now, he was completely undeserving of the bashing he recieved here so far, as he has always offered an honest opinion.

I always form a squad as soon as i enter a map for some time now, and playing yesterday i saw absolutely, positively no problems with squads as things are now. Sorry.

I for one am not trying to flame anybody in particular. The point is that, you like to play this new way while A LOT of people don't. This should be a server setting. Everyone would be happy.

I personally believe that EA/Dice never really considered this an exploit, but enough people whined about it so it was labeled one and taken out of the game. Honestly, it does not take 10 months to notice that people are playing the game this way. It's been present since the very beginning of the game.

If you can give me an official EA/Dice explanation of why it took them this long to remove the so-called "exploit" then I will not complain about it ever again. But you can't, because there isn't one and it was just another fix to keep the people who play by themselves, with no teamwork, happy. These would be the same people who complain about not being able to take out a whole squad that keeps respawning while defending a base alone. The game wasn't meant for you to take out a whole squad by yourself, your team needs to work together like the "exploiters" in the squad who are cycling positions. Perhaps if the squad-cycling haters would have joined a squad themselves and done the same thing, they could have won out over the so-called "exploit".

Now they come on here and act righteous because EA "fixed" something that wasn't even broken.

[HypnosisFX]

Re: BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

Man the EA/Dice fanboys are out in force to defend a crappy patch that they dont wanna admit too.

Someone make the poll to see how many realy like this patch. make them on EVERY BF2 forum out and you will see the No's overwelm the yes vote realy bad.

[Black_lagon]

Re: BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

well, we have our 1st 5v5 infantry match, post 1.3, tomorrow night.

And of all maps, its on Karkand, and we have MEC 1st. So we'll see as the US decends on the hotel, gets naded / shot to heck and back, and then has to come from their main again. CO and 1 SL will have to repeat that every round, no matter what. They can attempt to split the squad with the other 3, but in combat it'll be futile.

Now to wonder if suiciding and joining that guy flanking to their main is worth the ticket loss

there is infrantry mod and he said he will put it in again

http://www.infantrymod.com/

[Tobacco]

Re: BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

ooh so beautiful!

Too bad that everyone who joins squads only want a spawnpoint and dont give a **** about the leader.

In a Pub Server that's about as much as you can ask?, everyman for them selves, but SL, don't forget to Leave/Rejoin when you die. WTF is wrong with that?



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[deadman2312]

Re: BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

Strega, its all good man, thats what discussion is all about huh? Agreement, and disagreement.

VT Nerd, i dunno really what you mean dude. I feel you kinda fight both sides of the issue with your statement. You say if i "like to play this new way"? I play the same way i have always played, for a majority of my last 200 hours i have been a squad leader man, i notice no difference, besides the serene silence of my surroundings, and not a bunch of hoppers footsteps running away from me after using me cheaply, as a spawn point.

Man the EA/Dice fanboys are out in force to defend a crappy patch that they dont wanna admit too.

Someone make the poll to see how many realy like this patch. make them on EVERY BF2 forum out and you will see the No's overwelm the yes vote realy bad.

LMAO @ crappy patch. You obviously dont remember 1.21 do you? Thats the one where your rock solid AT missles started flying through vehicles, TOW affixed hummers crashed servers, that wierd ass waypoint in the middle of the Earth appeared, the red/blue bug was maginified after a feeble attempt to fix it, on and on, and on, and on........

1.3 is better than most, you should be happy! See>:) Just smile...

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

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I'm trying to say that nobody needs to be right or wrong in this arguement. EA/Dice could have left it up to the invidual like with FF.

By this new way, I was referring to the inability to squad cycle or squad hop. Obviously, you didn't like being used and I agree squad-hopping is annoying.

I did, however, make a lot of use of squad-cycling with my clan on TS. (Yeah now everyone is gonna say how clans are the biggest exploiters of all, but we run a cheat free group and people have been let go b/c of cheating before) Anyway, it was great fun and made for good fights. If a by-product of that is squad hopping, then I'm willing to live with both.

There is absolutely no reason (that I can see anyway) that this shouldn't be a server option. IF this is an exploit then having FF off is certainly an exploit (notice how EA is ok with that one though).

My bottomline is, LET EVERYONE CHOOSE FOR THEMSELVES HOW THEY WANT TO PLAY (squad hop or not) and that's what I've been trying to get across.

[Tobacco]

Re: BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

squad hopping was a exploit, EA cured it.

Exploit - Generally refered to something created without the designers intention as it relates to this game. The only reason EA/Dice came out and said Squad Hopping was an exploit is because of Whinners/Complainers who got stomped, so don't come here like you know something everyone else doesn't.

Don't get me started with all the Claims made by Ea/Dice about features that don't exsist in the game that they said would etc etc. If anything, EA/Dice should be happy that we've taken a game in beta Form and made it one of the best games of the year, don't punish us for improving something you never thought of.


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[imported_DwarfVader]

Re: BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

Man the EA/Dice fanboys are out in force to defend a crappy patch that they dont wanna admit too.

Someone make the poll to see how many realy like this patch. make them on EVERY BF2 forum out and you will see the No's overwelm the yes vote realy bad.

http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?p=948626#post948626

[Black_lagon]

Re: BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

LMAO @ crappy patch. You obviously dont remember 1.21 do you? Thats the one where your rock solid AT missles started flying through vehicles, TOW affixed hummers crashed servers, that wierd ass waypoint in the middle of the Earth appeared, the red/blue bug was maginified after a feeble attempt to fix it, on and on, and on, and on........

1.3 is better than most, you should be happy! See>:) Just smile...

This worse, the server has already crashed 3 times PTG within 1/2 houres WTF not funny

[deadman2312]

Re: BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

Exploit - Generally refered to something created without the designers intention as it relates to this game. The only reason EA/Dice came out and said Squad Hopping was an exploit is because of Whinners/Complainers who got stomped, so don't come here like you know something everyone else doesn't.

Don't get me started with all the Claims made by Ea/Dice about features that don't exsist in the game that they said would etc etc. If anything, EA/Dice should be happy that we've taken a game in beta Form and made it one of the best games of the year, don't punish us for improving something you never thought of.


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You sir are one whom obviously used it incorrectly. -5 for the poor attitude.:)

i can hear you now almost "Rawr, i stAWmpEd you n00bs"

[imported_DwarfVader]

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I hate to use this analogy because I know the majority of you won't get it or won't appreciate it.

But it's much akin to Skiing was for Starseige:Tribes. It was something in the original build of the game that was not intended, but it made the game faster. It made the game 10x's faster and although it wasn't intended and could have been seen as a bug or exploit it was never removed and became a staple of the game. So much so that 2 generations later with T:V it was built INTO the game.

Squad Cycle/hopping is the same thing, it made the game faster. Sure it wasn't intended, it wasn't in their grand scheme of things. But it gave some amount of balance and speed the game wouldn't have had without it. But unlike Skiing, EA/Dice has removed this "bug/exploit" from the game and in the process ruined a dynamic that they didn't intend to create but created none the less.

So now we have the game as they intended it, and it's unbalanced, and slower then it was before.


Oh and for the record I don't think of it as an exploit.... Fish Flopping was an exploit, C4 chucking was an exploit. Both things that gave those who were able to do them (or macro'ed them) a significant advantage over those who didn't or couldn't do them. Anyone and everyone could squad hop/cycle it didn't give ANYONE an advantage.

[HypnosisFX]

Re: BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

As Quoted from EA's official forums.

WHY DO YOU CHANGE THE GAMEPLAY WITH EVERY PATCH?!?!?!!?!????!?!?!?!?!?

Seriously, huh???????????

->No one cares and/or asked for COOP - USELESS
->No more squad hopping - GAMEPLAY CHANGE THAT NO ONE WANTS - make it a server option!
->No one wants Vehicle drops! - USELESS & ANOTHER GAMEPLAY CHANGE!

Where do you guys GET this stuff? Do you NOT listen to us?!?!?!
11,000+ CAN'T BE WRONG!!!!!!!!!
See here:

http://www.bf2.se/petition/?list=1

What about these?????????
Red/blue tag bug?
Bunny hopping?
The new dolphin diving?
All the prevalent hacks?
All the REAL bugs we report that you ignore?

Seriously, get with it. You are just losing customers every day because of your nonsense!

Why are you(EA) wasting valuable developer time make CHANGES and ADDING more stuff to a game that DOES NOT NEED IT. You SHOULD be using those resources for FIXING THE CURRENT BUGS, like the ones listed below:

- RED/BLUE Bug
- Animation not matching the actual hitbox
- J10 imbalance
- At kit lacking behind in terms of point gain
- Current TK punish system
- server browser being SLOOOOOOOOW and filters are not working 100% (LOOK YOU MADE THIS BUG WORSE WITH 1.3 YAY!)
- soldiers being able to jump with 0 stamina...
- fast seat swapping in helos and jets. I don’t mind a gunner taking the pilot seat, when the pilots bails, or disconnects etc. but when its used as a tactic something is wrong (or just fix the lock disruption on seat switching)
-Lots of map glitches...
- Drop/roll 100% accuracy 1 shot 1 kill EXPLOIT
- CTD's ( YAY WORSE IN 1.3 ALSO)
- Vote/Kicking system being fubar


All of this BS from EA is making a lot of people not wanting to buy, booster packs, expansions, and 2142.

[Tobacco]

Re: BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

You sir are one whom obviously used it incorrectly. -5 for the poor attitude.:)
i can hear you now almost "Rawr, i stAWmpEd you n00bs"

ROFLMAO - you owe me $400 for a new monitor, I just sprayed coffee all over if.


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[Strega]

Re: BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

You sir are one whom obviously used it incorrectly. -5 for the poor attitude.:)

i can hear you now almost "Rawr, i stAWmpEd you n00bs"

Oh come on now, how could it be "incorrect" when that featured was used for 10 months??