BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

[Panzerfaust Monk]

Re: BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

For all of you who think this patch is the greatest thing since sliced bread, I have news for you...

If you don't like squadhopping, you don't have to f***ing use it. Now that it's eliminated, those of us who liked using squadhopping can't. You people, however, could have joined the unranked (because, as I see, none of you care about stats) Tactical Gamer server or another server that discourages squad hopping while squad hopping was still around. Now, it's borked for everyone, and only a few are left happy because of it, while EVERYONE could have been happier with it still intact.

[Strega]

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At some flags in certain situations (heavily defended) you are right the SL has to hide and not join the actions.

Though there are many times where like mentioned the SL can cover his squad and get kills. AT on certain maps is a good SL kit, you can take out armor/helos from a distance.

When I am SL, I stay back and I still get 30-50 pts per round.

There is absolutely NO WAY you stay back as a SL and get 30-50 points a round. Link us to your stats page, I don't believe you.

[baroque]

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For all of you who think this patch is the greatest thing since sliced bread, I have news for you...

If you don't like squadhopping, you don't have to f***ing use it. Now that it's eliminated, those of us who liked using it can't. You people, however, could have joined the unranked Tactical Gamer server or another server that discourages squad hopping while squad hopping was still around. Now, it's borked for everyone, and only a few are left happy because of it, while EVERYONE could have been happier with it still intact.

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[troybob]

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If you don't like squadhopping, you don't have to f***ing use it. Now that it's eliminated, those of us who liked using it can't. You people, however, could have joined the unranked Tactical Gamer server or another server that discourages squad hopping while squad hopping was still around. Now, it's borked for everyone, and only a few are left happy because of it, while EVERYONE could have been happier with it still intact.

now you have to be a squad leader instead of a spawn leader. learn to live with it. if you don't like it, don't use the squad feature.

it is now what it was supposed to be in the beginning. They shouldn't have waited so long.

There is absolutely NO WAY you stay back as a SL and get 30-50 points a round. Link us to your stats page, I don't believe you.

its actually quite easy. You don't HAVE to stay back - just be cautious.

Also - everyone wants to kill the SL now, so you don't need to find action - action will find you. And since they are attacking - you have a defensive advantage.

[Strega]

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well thats my point (no pun intended)

people don't play for points - points are just a side-effect of playing.

i don't worry about stats and it makes my gaming experience that much better.

I play for 1 stat. K/D

I want my Kills to Exceed my deaths in the widest margin possible. I want to know that I'm killing more of the enemy, than they kill me.

Just my $0.02

[baroque]

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No I defend it because I think squad cycling its a lame tactic and not how I or I think EA/DICE thought of when creating the squad feature.

When I take a point and have my squad defend it (which is hard to get a good sqaud that will).

I would like to be able to reasonably defend it. The mobile spawn point is a benefit for an attacking squad. The fact that the defenders can kill the SL and stop the immediate threat is the check to the attackers benefit if you will.

ooh so beautiful!

Too bad that everyone who joins squads only want a spawnpoint and dont give a **** about the leader.

"it is now what it was supposed to be in the beginning. They shouldn't have waited so long."

oh another one "oh i just met jesus"

[Panzerfaust Monk]

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now you have to be a squad leader instead of a spawn leader. learn to live with it. if you don't like it, don't use the squad feature.

Well, two of the main reasons for being in a squad is for A) Teamwork and B) A mobile spawn point. I got both of these before the patch. Now I only get one.

[dEaDi]

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THe point is its been out not even 48 hours and server/client stability is at an all time low!!! Servers crashing at least once in 24 hours and clients, well, thats out of control

[troybob]

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Well, two of the main reasons for being in a squad is for A) Teamwork and B) A mobile spawn point. I got both of these before the patch. Now I only get one.

which one was removed?

[WolfAlmighty]

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I would agree with this statement, if EA/Dice hadn't introduced the Rank/Point System, but they did, that makes your argument pointless. This game IMO, for the Pub Player is for the most part about Points, then the WIN. If you can't cycle through the squad to rejoin on their postion, you loose time/postion/points/Flags/FUN. Do a Poll, and you shall see the light.


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Actually it doesn't make my argument pointless, rather just the opposite; it reinforces my point. The people who play only for the points are the problem, not the point system itself (although yes, you could argue that if there was no points/rank system then people wouldn't be able to play for them, but that's another issue). I agree that selfish point whores can make this game miserable, but that's due to the people not the system. Back in BF:V and BF1942 people would play for the win, at least on the servers I played on, and pretty much only the win, because aside from those third-party sites which not many people knew about, your stats weren't recorded. It didn't matter if you only killed 5 people and died 20 times, because you played to win the game (and the next round everyone started fresh, no kills or deaths attributed to them unlike a persistant stat system). There were always exceptions, but for the most part it was playing to win.

With BF2, you get stats junkies, and again even though I agree with you that if the stats didn't exist neither would the stats junkies, it's not the stats that are to blame, it's the junkies. Hopefully (and I've been hoping for this for a while now, not just with the 1.3 patch) such people will get either really irritated with a change (such as squad hopping) made by EA or will move on to other games, leaving BF2 for people who play for teamwork and winning instead of points. A pipe dream, I know, but it could happen someday.

And I guess the reason I can see the beauty of the squad system and some others can't is because I'm not one of those CS-type fast-action twitch-gamers (not that I'm saying there's anything wrong with those kinds of games, it's just not really my style). BF2 is about fast action to a degree, yes, but it's also about strategy and teamwork, which is why I don't mind staying back as an SL, or defending a base, or repairing commander assets when they get destroyed. What I always found cool with BF is that there's more of a focus on strategy than there is lightning-fast reflexes, so even if you meet up with someone as good as fatal1ty, you still stand a chance at winning the match because good teamwork will trump a team of crack-shot ramboes almost every time.

~Wolfgang

[RocketPunch]

Re: BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

For all of you who think this patch is the greatest thing since sliced bread, I have news for you...

If you don't like squadhopping, you don't have to f***ing use it. Now that it's eliminated, those of us who liked using squadhopping can't. You people, however, could have joined the unranked (because, as I see, none of you care about stats) Tactical Gamer server or another server that discourages squad hopping while squad hopping was still around. Now, it's borked for everyone, and only a few are left happy because of it, while EVERYONE could have been happier with it still intact.

So much for the idea of a "knife/pistol/SQ-hop ONLY!" *RANKED* server......

I feel your pain!

[imported_Lude]

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Well, personally dont see the big "oh my god they ruined the game" kinda thing, the squad hopping was a exploit, EA cured it, now all the squad hoppers are crying because you have to actually try not die while you are squad leader...? Bah, play BF1942 and you will see what is to go tru a whole map on foot...

Squad hopping was plain stupid, it was stupid because of the effort of ONE person, the whole team would take the flag/points... Now the only ones doing this good manouvers are the INTELIGENT squad leaders... Not the "occasional" squad leader...

I see that alot of people loved the features of "kill one guy, another 5 appear on some other"... Yeah, great strategies...

And in clan games, you are defending a flag, one guy paradrops on you, and suddently you have 5 guys all AT destrying your tank, where the hell is the strategy here!?!?!

In BF1942 you had to play right to take the flag, no just "die, open menu, out of the squad, in again, spawn", this is pure player spam, not play...

Hopefully the gameplay will be a little more inteligent now, instead of the player spam in everyflag...

Join a squad and play toghether, you will survive much longer...

Go ahead all squad hoppers, call me n00b and etc etc.

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

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Back on topic.....

Even if you like the fact that squad teamwork has been killed, (and yes, squad cycling and always keeping one squad member alive does take teamwork) this patch is terrible. I know we all have different opinions and that nobody is going to change my mind or vice versa, but the squad hopping/cycling really ought to have been a server side setting like FF to make EVERYONE happy.

There are just as many bugs in the game as there were before the patch (and probably even more).

I 100% agree with the OP, but EA didn't listen to the 10,000+ people who signed the petition to save the game and they're not going to listen to the community now.

Like it has been said before, I honestly believe they are trying to ruin this game and hope we still are fond enough of the "good ol' days" to buy BF2142.

[troybob]

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nice post lude

i have a feeling those complaining weren't much of 1942 players.

[bombebomb]

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totaly agree on this new system being crap.