BF2 is now a 'slow' game...

[imported_Grudge]

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Totally agree with the first patch - fix the bugs, don't change gameplay a full YEAR after the game comes out, especially when it's gameplay changes that no one asked for. Who asked for dropable jeeps? Who asked to get rid of squad jumping? The answer is NO ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who the hell is running this game at EA/Dice? What a bunch of retards!!!! No other game I've ever played makes gameplay changes in their patches. They have only fixed bugs/tech problems. Which is what EA/dice should stick to!!!

[Ghilleman]

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I think dropping vehicles is awesome. You'll forgive me if i feel that the developers were entitleted to some creative liscense and add something that they felt would improve the game. If they added only stuff that the community wanted, we'd get one big mish-mash of a game, with uper-buffing all around. Nun-chuck Shock pads! AC-130H spectre gunships for the US! Semi-automatic m95! Missles with programmable accuracy to the users taste!

[Horza]

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I stopped joining a squad after about 2 hours of time on the new patch. When I did try to play in a squad, the SL was dead more often than not. Not too many people are going to be willing to stay back as a good SL. I think the change will be good for competition, but it totally wrecked pub play.

Well on my first experience with 1.3 I wandered into a squad with a competent leader, and it was fine. Of course not everybody can lead well (I can't), but I think the new patch increases the value of good squad leadership, including staying alive and coming up with viable strategies for taking control points.

[imported_Gue]

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I've seen some very nice replies and I'm happy a lot are against it.

I consider myself an exceptional player who can survive at its best. I can feel artillery coming with my sixth sense. If you look at my stats I'm also very used to being a SL. Well cos of being very sneaky and skilled I can make a big difference being a SL. I can really turn tide of a battle with being able to command over whole squad.
But with squad hopping I'm getting discriminated. I only play on public servers and yes, sometimes teamwork is hard to find. But when you have full squad it is a blast.

I saw someone reply with squads getting spread out without their precious squad cycling. Well if people would be smart and only spawn on SL then it would help a lot. Mate will always do that and sometimes you got this bright fella that just spawns on me when I just am alive. It feels good. Too bad people are stupid most of the time.
Sl that gets killed isn't necessarly a bad thing. If the squad members that survived proceed to the closest flag. And I form a new squad around me, that's double flags that can get taken.

It's funny, I never ever really come to think about using squad hopping. I am just always SL :p. So this fix is really COOL and I'm used to this sort of play.
And you know what, the game is really not slow if you got a good SL. And no I'm not sitting somewhere in a corner. I'm dangerous, I had many times that I get most points, all more then my squad members. While sometimes I even don't get flags, man covering teammates is easy kills.

This game is just a blast and it's even getting better now SH and SC is GONE !!!!

So only things I still want are :
1. Able to only invite people that are not in squads yet
2. Squad Members can only spawn on the SL
3. I think you should get 1 teamwork point for killing a SL, would be cool to know u just killed a SL.

And 1 more thing, I find it really pathetic people want this squad hopping so badly. You can already revive your teammates but you even wanna spawn on everybody of your squad, what a joke.
DICE is just awesome they did this even after a year and many complaining to leave it. Even the top clans threatning to leave. How lame is that.

[MistenTH]

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Agreed Gue.

There's more of a battlefield rather than whack a mole.

The only thing is that air dominance can easily wipe out infantry squads without backup, something needs to be done with this to make it more effective.

[imported_Bossman]

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I've seen some very nice replies and I'm happy a lot are against it.

I consider myself an exceptional player who can survive at its best. I can feel artillery coming with my sixth sense. If you look at my stats I'm also very used to being a SL. Well cos of being very sneaky and skilled I can make a big difference being a SL. I can really turn tide of a battle with being able to command over whole squad.
But with squad hopping I'm getting discriminated. I only play on public servers and yes, sometimes teamwork is hard to find. But when you have full squad it is a blast.

I saw someone reply with squads getting spread out without their precious squad cycling. Well if people would be smart and only spawn on SL then it would help a lot. Mate will always do that and sometimes you got this bright fella that just spawns on me when I just am alive. It feels good. Too bad people are stupid most of the time.
Sl that gets killed isn't necessarly a bad thing. If the squad members that survived proceed to the closest flag. And I form a new squad around me, that's double flags that can get taken.

It's funny, I never ever really come to think about using squad hopping. I am just always SL :p. So this fix is really COOL and I'm used to this sort of play.
And you know what, the game is really not slow if you got a good SL. And no I'm not sitting somewhere in a corner. I'm dangerous, I had many times that I get most points, all more then my squad members. While sometimes I even don't get flags, man covering teammates is easy kills.

This game is just a blast and it's even getting better now SH and SC is GONE !!!!

So only things I still want are :
1. Able to only invite people that are not in squads yet
2. Squad Members can only spawn on the SL
3. I think you should get 1 teamwork point for killing a SL, would be cool to know u just killed a SL.

And 1 more thing, I find it really pathetic people want this squad hopping so badly. You can already revive your teammates but you even wanna spawn on everybody of your squad, what a joke.
DICE is just awesome they did this even after a year and many complaining to leave it. Even the top clans threatning to leave. How lame is that.

You are just a pub player, you don't know a thing. This really hurts clanplay.

[GibbaTheHutt]

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Interesting discussion I guess. Firstly I don't rate 1.3, has a lot of bugs in it, with the browser being annoying as hell (but I guess will try Qtracker).

Regarding Squad hopping/leading, personally I like jeep drops, its saved me trundling about on foot in a squad when other vehicles not available. It also means the squad can spawn with me and be going somewhere pretty fast. Oddly enough I've found this probably has sped the game up "slightly" (sometimes its just not feasible, or you don't have a decent commander etc) which seems contrary to what other people see.

There's one thing no one seems to have commented on though, which in truth is the most annoying thing of all that people do (imo). As a squad leader, if people want to join the squad and spawn on me, then fine I have no problem with that, but don't use it and wander off, if you join the squad, follow the objectives/waypoints etc (assuming there are some and not totally stupid squad leader). Thats what squads are for, the chain of command etc, and people in the squad all following the directions and achieving the objectives together.

That for me is the biggest wind up, when people spawn on you and then wander off for some other aim, it actually makes maintaining a squad and achieving objectives more difficult as a squad leader.

I do thing if people can't adapt and overcome to that design of game where people stick to squads, they are probably playing the wrong game as mentioned earlier. Fair points from those who say its a tad late, but also fair points from those who think its the way Dice intended, so thats the way it should go.

(Yes this is directed at pub play, but on none pub play someone can ultimately code a mod to reinstate the old methods).

[imported_Gue]

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You are just a pub player, you don't know a thing. This really hurts clanplay.

LOL, are all dutchies meant to give such short, banal replies. Anyway no offense, but I think you're way over your head.

I don't know a thing, right. Well I do have over 400 hours play as SL.
And I do think that for clanwars it's an over-dominating tactic that everybody is forced to use. It destroys all the tactics that I know off more then you possibly can imagine. Ok, you know everything about squad cycling. Leave squad and join is it no ? Nah sorry, I've seen enough clanners reply that it's cheap and rather have a better experience with challenging tactics. Coordination between multiple squads, protecting SL, more sense of surviving etc.
They probably will own your clan as well or perhaps you're leaving BF2 all for a silly exploit which if never been there in first place. Noone would cry about it. You're all just so accustomed to it, well bad luck. Should've used common sense in the first place.

Server side is not an option. Devs stated that it is an exploit so they wanna see clans that use skills instead of exploits. It's simple as that. No no, it doesn't matter both clans do it, you're raping the game and making a BAD example for the community.
You think you can expect this squad exploiting in other games. No, most likely not so you can't really complain either.

The only thing is that air dominance can easily wipe out infantry squads without backup, something needs to be done with this to make it more effective.

The only thing I can think off is wait till you see jet passing by then go for the ride to the next flag. I've done couple of times and it works like a charm. Jeeps etc are fast transport so take that to your advantage. Sneak around the battlefield.

[Absurdus]

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I have noticed that the really screwed up the browser... Beyond belief.

I was amazed they could screw it up even more, I browse through a few things in the BFHQ bit and then when I search for ranked servers I get nothing back, have to restart......

[ArcticFox_uk]

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The game does seem slower. Personally I think EA should've focused on bug fixes rather than adding and removing features. Surely CTDs and general glitches are a higher priority than being able to drop vehicles, or squad-hopping?! :hmm:

[Strega]

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You are just a pub player, you don't know a thing. This really hurts clanplay.

So make it a server side option to turn off for clan play. You go have fun, we'll do the same.

[evilzucchini]

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Taking out squad hopping benefits the players who aren't very good (noobs) and the skilled players.

I love how making a new squad or leaving and joining a squad is considered a "skill." LMAO!

[Heous]

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Who says the game's slow now? Of course It's slow on maps like Kubra Dam -- It's always been slow there. But I was just playing in a 24/7 Sharqi server and was getting plenty of action.

I'm not going to pull out the old "quit bitching" montager that many users here like to use in face of the criticism of the patch, as It's sites like these where players are allowed to bitch about what they don't like, but all I can say is this: You can either get used to it and continue playing, or leave. EA Isn't going to listen to your demands; you're a very small fraction of the Battlefield 2 community. Your only choice is to adapt your playing style in clan matches to better suit the new playing environment.

What I don't understand, though, is that in Clan play, there's obviously a lot more organization and planning to it. So obviously you'll have a competent commander in those matches. Since your commander will be competent, can't you just replace the mobility lost by squad cycling/hopping with vehicle drops? Sure, it's not as convienent as squad cycling is, but it appears to be the only option now.

If you're a clan player and see a flaw in this argument, feel free to point it out to me, as I've never played in a Battlefield 2 clan match, nor am I in a clan. I'm just hypothesizing as to what clan players could do to get around the removal of squad hopping/cycling.

[HowieMandel]

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You are just a pub player, you don't know a thing. This really hurts clanplay.

It really sucks, when clans who are supposed to be extremely competitive, hold practices.........use strats, and use extreme communications to execute whatever......... has to rely on tactics, that are less then desireable.

Thats just sad.

I would think the opposite would be true. I would think that clans would want things made so its harder to do............not easier.

Shame.

[evilzucchini]

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It seems most of these "skilled" clanies would get their asses handed to them in PRMM.