Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

[18Zulukiller]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

I was wrong before the petition was only started on the 27th so in less than 4days theres over 6042 signatures now thats not bad considering not everyone checks the forums day to day so its going to take awhile till the news gets out.

other parts of gameplay to bring it in-line with their original vision.

Wouldn't it be more prudent on there part to fix the bugs in the game i for one am sick to death of AT missile & tows not working properly i like to kill armour and the tools they have given me to do the job are defective and are in need of repairing .

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

I think you should do some research it is actully an arcade game and thats a FACT.

If we compare it to UT, youll see whats an arcade game. I never said BF2 is a SIM. However, if youre so desperate, why dont you support infinite spawnpoints across the entire map?

[WarGimp]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Wouldn't it be more prudent on there part to fix the bugs in the game i for one am sick to death of AT missile & tows not working properly i like to kill armour and the tools they have given me to do the job are defective and are in need of repairing .

No argument. It sure would be nice to have those bugs gone. The thing is, they've been working on those too. They just happen to be issues that are hard to nail down. They've made a couple stabs at solving the Red/blue bug that apparently worked in their testing, but managed to show up again in the general population. It's been suggested that it might have to do with BF2CC which is 3rd party and thus not a supported element (I haven't been able to confirm of dismiss this tho).

As for AT missile pass-through, we know that BF2 suffers from generally high non-registered hit detection. It's just much more obvious when it comes to AT missiles than with bullets. The knife is also an obvious indicator of chronic non-regs. This is likely a low level problem with their netcode and a solution won't be simple.

That said, you can only effectivly assign one or two guys to issues like these. If you've got more codies working on the same problem, they are likely to cause more confilicts in the code. The good news is I've heard tell that they brought in a heavy hitter to deal with these exact problems this time around. That still leaves other members of the patch team with time on their hands to do other things.

In short, just because they work on something doesn't mean something else is being ignored.

[18Zulukiller]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

If we compare it to UT, youll see whats an arcade game. I never said BF2 is a SIM. However, if youre so desperate, why dont you support infinite spawnpoints across the entire map?

Post like that make me realy want to swear but ive already been told i cant lol.

For one this is an arcade you can jump 6 foot in the air repetidly like a bunny on steroids and bring the dead back to life with nothing more than a paddle and have them fully fit to fight again how more arcady can it get.

Secondly what planet are you on about having infinite spawn points across the map max number of squad leaders you can have is 9. And half them on a public server are either snipers sniping or snipers flying around in a jet or attack heli . And normaly those snipers are useing the m95 to tk to get the attack heli or plane they want so there going to be great teamplayers to work with arnt they.

[WarGimp]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Post like that make me realy want to swear but ive already been told i cant lol.

:laugh:
Thanks.
:p

[18Zulukiller]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

As for AT missile pass-through, we know that BF2 suffers from generally high non-registered hit detection. It's just much more obvious when it comes to AT missiles than with bullets. The knife is also an obvious indicator of chronic non-regs. This is likely a low level problem with their netcode and a solution won't be simple.

Thats actually nice to know thanks for the info.

A question though what causes the reload bug were you fire, the missle dosnt hit then it reloads and you have the same number of missles thats a pain in the arse with TOWS and AT missles both get the same problem.

[WarGimp]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Thats actually nice to know thanks for the info.

A question though what causes the reload bug were you fire, the missle dosnt hit then it reloads and you have the same number of missles thats a pain in the arse with TOWS and AT missles both get the same problem.

You forgot double/no toss grenades and to occasional issue where droppables become undroppable. Oh yeah... and crouched vehicle gunners that don't uncourch, but can still see/fire. And missing gunner models. That too.

All these stem from the same base problem. Conficting/lost communication between the server and the clients.

Side note: With the last major gameplay impacting patch, we lost the ability to fire while jumping and it took longer to get up after proning. Lots of people screamed and yelled about that. Some said it would kill BF2. In retrospect, I think most of us feel that it changed general gameplay for the better.

Am I wrong?
Could this possibly become another issue much like that one where despite the fears of some folks, it could actually be a good thing overall?

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Post like that make me realy want to swear but ive already been told i cant lol.

Not my intention (for now) to **** you off, sorry.

For one this is an arcade you can jump 6 foot in the air repetidly like a bunny on steroids and bring the dead back to life with nothing more than a paddle and have them fully fit to fight again how more arcady can it get.

Sure it has a hell of a lot of unrealistic elements in it. Its not a sim, but hell, its not an arcade game either. You cant simulate death anyway so you cant create a battle- FPS -SIM. However, for the sake of tactical and "as close as it gets" gameplay, certain aspects of this game should be altered.

Now, the only issue with Shopping, as I said, is that people dont think or dont want the travel to a hostile flag to be a part of the battle. I think that the moment you spawn at your flag, the game is already on. And the way to the enemy flag shouldnt be taken as somthing that isnt a part of the battle. Furthermore- there is no penalty for dieing if youre doing Shopping. Theres a 15 second timeloss and youre back in action. And for a game where flag capture is the objective, you shouldnt suffer lightly once you get killed at an enemy flag.

Defense should have an upper hand, however, with Shopping Defense does not have an advantage.

y what planet are you on about having infinite spawn points across the map max number of squad leaders you can have is 9. And half them on a public server are either snipers sniping or snipers flying around in a jet or attack heli . And normaly those snipers are useing the m95 to tk to get the attack heli or plane they want so there going to be great teamplayers to work with arnt they.

9 extra spawnpoints available for everyone at any time- I dont think DICE planned this. And I dont think thats good for the sake of the games tactical nature.

With no shopping, death in game is something you have to consider.

Meh whatever.

[imported_JoeMango]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

The solution is simple to me. The way i see it, DICE shouldn't be changing the way the game is played with such huge changes 9 months into the games release. This is VERY unfair for MANY people who have got used to it. Yes, give us addons, new maps, weapons for FREE to give the players a bit of variation, but don't change the gameplay itself to give us variation.

That to me sums up EA/DICE completely. Lazy and greedy. Not giving us anything for free, but expecting praise for things such as vehicle drops??? lol. As many have said, squadhopping hasn't been as big an issue as bunnyhopping and noobtubing. Those wanting 'Squadhoppoing' removed haven't caused as much of an uproar as those past problems. Hardly any if you compare. But they are bringing all these changes? Why?

Yeah you can say 'It's how they wanted the game to be played'. I'm sure they wanted the game to be played a LOT different to how it is, but thats how this game has turned out. Don't blame squad hoppers for using this 'Feature', blame DICE for not noticing it. They are the so called 'professionals'. I can understand how squadhopping may be frustrating for some, but try understand how frustrating it is for a whole lot of people who don't have a problem, but have to put up with so many changes.

[MrBrown]

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Yeah you can say 'It's how they wanted the game to be played'. I'm sure they wanted the game to be played a LOT different to how it is, but thats how this game has turned out. Don't blame squad hoppers for using this 'Feature', blame DICE for not noticing it. They are the so called 'professionals'. I can understand how squadhopping may be frustrating for some, but try understand how frustrating it is for a whole lot of people who don't have a problem, but have to put up with so many changes.

The thing is, you actually have to think around the corner to take FULL advantage of the squadsystem. Reading the manual etc. gives you a totally different image of how it's to be used (the way that it has to be used in V1.3).

The problem is that DICE never asked some good clans to betatest the game before it's release. DICE should've observed the demos carefully afterwards. Things like C4 tossing and dolphin diving would have been removed before V1.0, and squadhopping too.

All the exploits that got/get removed SHOULD have been removed before the game was released, but unfortunately there seems to be no time to test a game the professional way nowadays before it's released.

I still prefer removing them late than never.

[Brindled]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Hopefully this will reinforce the idea of teamwork.

"hopefully" for whom? not me
this will not help teamwork at all, it will damage it. you all see it one way, we all see it the other. why is there no petition to have it changed? because the majority won't vote for it.

[Ali G]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

EA is stupid, they fix things that doesn't bother people (squad hopping), yet they don't fix the things that does bother people (name tag color), how pathetic.

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Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Anyone know how many total people play BF2? I'd just like to know what percentage of the total people playing have signed this.

[MrBrown]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

this will not help teamwork at all, it will damage it.

Squadhopping helps your whole team to win - but it does not encourage teamwork. Choosing someone as a spawnpoint at a enemy flag, quickly cap that flag with him, get killed and spawn somewhere else afterwards is not what I'd call teamwork.

But V1.3 seems to give a bonus to those people that stick with one squadleader, because they will still be able to spawn "right into the action" as long as the SL stays alive. This ability won't be a free bonus feature anymore then, instead it will be something you have to (team-)work for. This way removing squadhopping will promote teamwork IMHO.

[WarGimp]

Re: Petition keep squad hopping in Battlefield 2

Anyone know how many total people play BF2? I'd just like to know what percentage of the total people playing have signed this.

I made a best guess of 400 000 active players by checking out the assualt rifle rankings for my roommate's account on BF2player.com. He's really not very good with assualt rifles, but makes enough kills to float above non-active accounts.

I did the math and it works out to about 1.5% have signed the petition.
Posted all this in more detail above. Try reading a little more of the thread.