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Edit: whoops... somebody posted before me, sorry.
anyways I hate to be harsh, but you guys seriously.... think... think before you post.
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Edit: whoops... somebody posted before me, sorry.
anyways I hate to be harsh, but you guys seriously.... think... think before you post. -
The shield should be kept. If you can't take out a shield, you're not a true CS player.Comment
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DikFaic wrote..
i absolutely HATE that response! it makes no sense! u expect us to take out something that even when its to the side, u cant shoot them? or they still hold mp5's an such AND a shield at the same time? not even a hack can help u there..stfu unless uve actually seen the bugs, this poor sap is thinking of the guys that sit in a corner an u just lob nades at him till he dies..dont try to act badass an say ur a pro cuz u can kill a shield, its a piece of shit that needs to be removed IMMEDIATELY! its too buggy, crappy, and useless..Go ahead and fix it up, add it to a filter option, make it more expensive, take dmg,slow down speed, and have it ONLY on cs_ maps, then i might be happy..
The shield should be kept. If you can't take out a shield, you're not a true CS player.Comment
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You should be able to shoot through the glass. The glass should reduce some damagae, though.Comment
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I'd have to say keep it, but make some major changes to it...1.let ts buy it 2. make vulnerable to the para and knife(so ppl have a reason to use theses weapons) 3. make it have a armor...thing, u know what i mean. make it destroyable. and 4. make it more expenseive...like $4000Comment
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Jatt Pride wrote..
I like this guy. He makes sense.
WOW u guys must be really crappy CS Players if u cant take out a shield. seriously, the shield isnt even that bad, if valve wants to keep it in, their obviously not going to keep it the same. they gunan obviously change it a little. and plus the shield is soooooooooooooooooooooooo easy to kill, i love it when the other team uses the shield cuz all u do is rush the hell out of them and they got nowhere to run or shoot cuz they die sooooo easily when they pull the shield away to shoot. it doesnt really make the game that unbalanced unless the Ts are a bunch of N00bs and they cant aim right. plus, in levels like aztec and shit, when EVERY SINGLE PERSON on the Ts start to AWP, all the CTS need to do is get shields for a couple of rounds and al the AWPping dies down and people statrt to use AKs and shit to counter the shields, which stops all the AWP Whores in their tracks.
Keep the shield and we seirously need a Poll cuz i mean over 550 posts and no poll???? cmonComment
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Get rid of the shield. No one ever uses it anyway! Get rid of the AWP? It's a strategic part of the game! Every team needs a good awper or two. I love it when someone is awping and i can move into position and take em out.Comment
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cboyce wrote..
yea..the awp is more balanced than the shield because BOTH TEAMS CAN BUY IT!!! plus, an awper can only see so much of his screen, where as someone can get into his blind spot
Get rid of the shield. No one ever uses it anyway! Get rid of the AWP? It's a strategic part of the game! Every team needs a good awper or two. I love it when someone is awping and i can move into position and take em out.Comment
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PLEASE REMOVE THE SHIELD IF ANYONE BUYS A SHIELD IN ANY GAME IM IN I JUST LEAVE IT COMPLETELY RUINS THE GAMEComment
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Ok, I think final thing. Keep the shield and the rest of you just deal with it, and get rid of it from your server and play on server without the shield... So stop complaining... Havn't you ever learned; the more you complain the more nothing will get done.... All this posting and stuff, you really thing Valve will take the time to read 5xx++ posts, just because its about a shield and problems... If I were in Valve I would not do anything, but fix the shield and those who don't want it will have to deal it... The world doesn't freaking work around Counter-Strike... Yeah stuff is wrong and other crap, but FREAKING DEAL!!!!! I swear... this amount of comments is crazy... No one should have to read this.... I say give us a poll already CSNation, make us really say what we want in a poll, not comments... Valve will never read this much comments, just over one little thing in Counter-Strike and CS:S.... If you don't want the shield then you shouldn't play CS, find a different game..... There are plunty of other games like Counter-Strike, so pick one up and PLAY!!!! So here is the final thing I will let you all read. If you want the shield great you will keep playing CS with servers that have the shield. Those who bitch about it... I say go work for Valve, and maybe you can fix the problems of CS for them, that would be a concept you think PEOPLE!!!!!?!?!?! ~_~ So lets see, CSNation, post a poll and we will see the true results and then we will let Valve decide on that. That is all for me. I don't give a shit anymore... Give me CS:S... and HL2....Comment
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Linux wrote..
Uhh...It is a pretty big deal. I'm not going to go into great detail about why the shield is a big deal and etc but it should be removed. It has and will continue to affect scrims/matches/tournaments/etc...The shield, galil, and famas should have never been brought into CS in my opinion.
Ok, I think final thing. Keep the shield and the rest of you just deal with it, and get rid of it from your server and play on server without the shield... So stop complaining... Havn't you ever learned; the more you complain the more nothing will get done.... All this posting and stuff, you really thing Valve will take the time to read 5xx++ posts, just because its about a shield and problems... If I were in Valve I would not do anything, but fix the shield and those who don't want it will have to deal it... The world doesn't freaking work around Counter-Strike... Yeah stuff is wrong and other crap, but FREAKING DEAL!!!!! I swear... this amount of comments is crazy... No one should have to read this.... I say give us a poll already CSNation, make us really say what we want in a poll, not comments... Valve will never read this much comments, just over one little thing in Counter-Strike and CS:S.... If you don't want the shield then you shouldn't play CS, find a different game..... There are plunty of other games like Counter-Strike, so pick one up and PLAY!!!! So here is the final thing I will let you all read. If you want the shield great you will keep playing CS with servers that have the shield. Those who bitch about it... I say go work for Valve, and maybe you can fix the problems of CS for them, that would be a concept you think PEOPLE!!!!!?!?!?! ~_~ So lets see, CSNation, post a poll and we will see the true results and then we will let Valve decide on that. That is all for me. I don't give a shit anymore... Give me CS:S... and HL2....
No one cares what I write, I know, but please do not flame me about it.Comment
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Nathan D. wrote..
I care..yes that sounds gay...please kill me now..
Uhh...It is a pretty big deal. I'm not going to go into great detail about why the shield is a big deal and etc but it should be removed. It has and will continue to affect scrims/matches/tournaments/etc...The shield, galil, and famas should have never been brought into CS in my opinion.
No one cares what I write, I know, but please do not flame me about it.Comment
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Or here is a better analogy.
Adding things adds to the gameplay. Taking things away subtracts from the gameplay. Its common logic =pComment
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Thortok2000 wrote..
RIGHT ON!
A few facts.
A) Cliffe reads these comments threads but rarely ever replies, except possibly to well-presented logical arguements. I don't envy him reading /this/ long thread, though.
B) Nothing was mentioned about removing the shield from 1.6 and CZ. However, assuming that CS:S has a better engine and less bugs with the shield, perhaps it could be placed in CS:S and removed from 1.6/CZ. It's a thought.
C) When the shield is enabled on a server, few people use it. Even if you have mastered shielding, you cannot take on more than one enemy by yourself; unless you're a crackshot with a pistol, they're gonna kill you. 1v1 combat is also very hard, however the shielder can sometimes win, especially if the non-shielder is very newbie to shield-fighting tactics. 2v1 combat should (and is) always odds against the 1, regardless of how many shields are involved and who has them.
D) 2 nades kill a shielder if they land close enough. Perhaps simply letting nades do extra damage to shielders (or cause them to drop it, as suggested by others). This option is for the 'cannot go around' times (like inside a vent or some such, to shielders side by side).
E) The knife does not go THROUGH the shield, regardless of what you may have heard. If it ever seems to, it's probably the hitbox glitch where the shielder was about to open his shield to shoot but is instantly vulnerable for before the shield seems open. I've also seen lag do the same effect (the shielder is running backwards with closed shield and the knifer seems to go through it). For knifing shielders, you've gotta go around it; it isn't hard to do.
F) The most effective use of shields involves running scout for your team, reporting enemy positions, and being a decoy while your teammates shoot the enemy, or come from across the map. None of these are particularly 'deadly' to the enemy. Which means that the most 'annoying' factor of the shield (bugs aside) is your target simply not dying or taking damage when you shoot it. Which is the point of the shield in the first place.
G) There are several ways of killing shielders, but the hardest part about killing them is their move speed; they just run away. This is quite easily countered, considering the shielder's field of vision sucks, and he's running backwards so he's not even seeing where he's going. If that wasn't enough, shots from certain guns slow him right down even if he doesn't take damage from it, making it easy to flank.
H) Overall, the biggest gripes about the shield fall into two categories:
1 - It's buggy so I'm gonna ban it so it can't be exploited (like the leagues do).
2 - It's new, I don't like it, it slows things down, it's too hard to kill, it's unrealistic, not even an awp goes through...in other words I can't kill the shielder the exact same way I kill everyone else, meaning I don't want to adapt my tactics in any means, manner, shape, or form; I should kill exactly the way I've killed for 5 years - find, aim & shoot.
Anyone who's in the #2 arguement should be ignored except for the possible idea of wanting to 'give them what they want'. Arguements from the #1 category count, but again, we're talking about CS:Source here, and hopefully the new engine would remove all bugs.
I) The only thing remaining is how to balance the shield, once the bugs are removed. That could be anything from size, movement speed, less or even no protection while shooting, a 15 second delay between switching between open and closed, getting shot automatically closes the shield...tweaked and balanced so that it doesn't cause factual problems of any kind, only opinionated ones.Comment
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They should make the shield go away. FOREVER, or weaken it abit with those fancy physicsComment
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