Cliffe On Balance

[MikeJ]

Unless the player has a shield.



ahah zing.

[Supersonic^]

0marTheZealot wrote..

Supersonic1425



you do realize that the changes don't affect why people don't buy the crappy guns. It's not because they are crappy, it's because they FUCKING suck. If they were free, I would still use an AK/M4 because those guns are accurate and deadly. And many other competetive players would feel the same way as well. I mean shit, all this changes will do is make more save rounds, harder comebacks and slower gameplay.



75% of all pub players won't even notice the change, or care deeply about them. But clan wars will be affected big time. They just put in a change (for the better I might add) to the money system that makes it just about perfect right now. Fewer save rounds, faster gameplay, more entertaining sport.

Most guns aren't going THAT much higher in price. Still, if it makes a team eco just that extra round (which I doubt it will), I'll pwn them in the face with my UMP. :o

[HeadTrip]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL There should be a steamupdate JUST FOR APRIL FOOLS

[Z1G]

I just read through the whole thread, and about half of the posts here do nothing but prove that the average mental age of the CS player is just getting lower and lower...



I think the changes seem fair, and could give the game a nice little breath of fresh air. However, I think that the galil should be more around 2200, and the AK not boosted up to 3000$, but rather to something like 2700-2800$... If you ask me it is only logical that the price of the mp5 being upped seeing how it is by FAR the best SMG in the game.

[0marTheZealot]

RaptorRage, the other guns do damage people. They just don't damage fast enough.



Why is this even an issue. Every game has it's best weapon. In Quake1 it was the rocket launcher / lightning gun. In DooM, it was the BFG9000.



No matter what, people will pick the guns that will kill the fastest. If AK/M4 were nerfed, everyone would just find a different gun. This is how it is always.



And these changes shouldn't even be discussed if you are a pub player. It doesn't affect you. You have 30+ rounds to play. In matches, there are 24 rounds. All this does is make comebacks harder, make the random pistols even more important, and effectively slow down the entire game.



There is no real need for these changes. They should make those shitty guns worth buying. I'd rather buy a deagle than any SMG.

[SteelV]

Bokuho wrote..

Looks good to me. The T weapons are generally better then the CT versions (AK-47 > Colt M4A1, Mac10 > TMP, Galil > FAMAS, the only real exception is that the CTs get the USP.45ACP while the Ts get the Glock18c), and it was very unfair, I thought, that the Ts could buy AK-47s on the second round while the CTs would be stuck with the (frankly near-useless) MP5-Navy. These price changes have made it alot fairer in my view. It's nice to see some of the prices reflecting 'realism' too - such as the Ts being able to get hold of Mac10's really easily (compared to the CTs and their TMP) while it's harder for them to get hold of more 'professional' weapons such as the SG-552 (compared to the CTs and their Aug). The pistols too, with the new prices, have become more useful - even after the last price drop the Elites were still too expensive to bother with, the FN FiveseveN has always been way over-priced given how weak it is, and the P228 is hardly better then the USP.45 anyway (just a slight power increase and one more round per magazine), so it makes sense that it shouldn't cost all that much more.

And as a bonus, the P90, which has forever been my favourite weapon (both in CS and in real life, not that I've ever actually used one in real life of course) is finally priced reasonably :)



If these changes go ahead as they are now (and by god they should do), then it'll all be for the better. You people bitching about it effecting the more 'professional' side of CS need to grow up - these changes are better for everyone, even if you're too naive to see that.

It's not ignorance that makes some people dislike these changes, it's intelligence and thoughtfulness.



Consider this scenario. One team is owning another team, and the other team will now have to save 3 or 4 rounds just to get some good guns, while the owning team will have AKs versus the losing team's SMGS. Won't really be fair, huh?



If they do anything at all, they should just DECREASE the prices of bad/underused guns. No prices should be increased at all. For example, making p90 cost less would make people consider it more if money is tight. Making AK cost more will just benefit the currently lead players, making the losers continue to lose.

[Supersonic^]

Just make the AK cost $2700/2800. That's the only new price I'm not happy with. And I'm VERY unhappy with it.

[narby]

APRIL FOOLS MOTHERBITCHES

[cythix]

I like your avatar.



April fools tho.

[Helkite]

I'd be pretty pissed of this money balance thing turned out to be an april fools joke.

[Softy's 24/7 Fraggin]

I would really like to a have a reason to buy something other than the usual AWP>M4>AK>MP5>Deagle.



I don't think the weapon prices are really the problem: it's the maps. the most popular maps have lots of large open areas where, naturally rifles own. on small maps SMGs and Shotguns can be quite effective.

(although i wish the M3 had a little less spread and cycled faster)



The MAC-10 and TMP would see a lot more use if they (like the real-steel) had a secondary singe shot mode that had pistol like accuracy. currently the MP5 is the only SMG that out performs the pistols and that makes no sense.



money changes won't effect pub play much unless the max amount of cash is dropped significantly. it would really mix things up if you couldn't save enough cash to buy your whole team M4s.



..and god damn i want the Molotov cocktail!

[lockhart]

Why don't you make the MP5 cost like 2k and be a lot more powerful? Make it THE gun you buy 2nd round if you're a serious player and you aren't saving for an AWP. (Side note... AWP with a 5 round clip? That seems like a change that will only matter on pubs... but I'm gonna miss crazy awp_mappage)



All the other changes are pretty good; I like the idea that the AK is much closer to the M4: CT's pretty much have to buy kits to stay competitive... but I really want to see the total elimination of save rounds. Give teams more money if they lose so they can afford to buy some cheap guns 2nd round and still get what they need 3rd round: m4/ak and helmet. If you really want to see teams use the cheaper guns, this is what you need to do.



The concept of clans using specific, specialized guns is a good one; real counter-terrorist teams specialize with ONE gun and ONE sidearm and are trained in others when they have no other option. I know it comes down to that 'CS isn't realistic' argument, but making the guns cheaper for pub play IS a good idea, you can screw around and not get punished for it. But all it comes down to, is how are these changes going to affect competitive play. Are they going to make it more or less "gh3y?"



Again, I'd like to call for a temporary server cvar to get some REAL feedback on the changes. You can standardize it later. Instead of just TELLING us what you're planning, release a server-side Steam update with the cl_newmoney cvar and let us try it out. If it sucks, we'll tell you so. If it's cool, then we'll say go for it and you can change the system to work like that permanently. (I'd love to keep the cvar in the game but that just moves the game closer to pro/pub mode, which, while I think it's a good idea, many people seem to disagree with me.)

[Wwv]

here's an idea: listen to the people and give everybody a free AWP, better yet; all cal maps are iceworld..

[CabalSoljea]

ak at $3000 is one wicked April Fool's joke! damn it...



other than that, i wouldnt actually mind with the rest of the changes. esp. the changes to the awp. =)

[stevomanevo]

narby wrote..

APRIL FOOLS MOTHERBITCHES

narby i know you are an intelgent man.. but today is only the 31st of march :-p not april 1st