LOL i'll beat him wih a wooden spoon too. Look, maybe giving new people a chance isnt the worst thing in the world to happen, if your so good then you should adapt to the changes quicker than him, so its only a matter of time be4 u get better again. Another plus is that it may stop new players of CS getting frustrated with better players and then cheating. And that cant be a bad thing. Just give 1.4 a few weeks so u get used to it, you never know, u might *gasp* actually start to LIKE it.
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i gave it like 5 mins i and i was already adjusted to the new jumping and i love how fast you move now. i think it is great that noobs are playing...mor eppl means more diversity. i enjoy in my clans servers we have had a rush of new ppl and they arent that bad except for a fewe who are beeing banned.
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Well said, rish.Comment
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This is straight from CPL which speaks wonders [sarcasm]how great v1.4 is.[/sarcasm]
"I, like you have heard complaints from whiners every time a new release comes out. I thought that much of the complaints (prior to release) were more of the same9just trying to get attention), and hoped that all the changes were for the good of the competitive community. I was hugely dissappointed to find that 1.4 is not at all competition worthy. There are a few points I would like to address.
1) The biggest complaint by everyone is the jumping "stamina" addition. This basically makes your speed drop by 50% every time you jump. This very much detracts from the overall skill required to frag players, as they can no longer do anything to avoid your fire.
2) Running accuracy. Guns are now not accurate at all while running. At the same time, walking was slowed to literally crawl speed, without adding accuracy. This basically ensures that a player must stand totally still when firing at range to get any hits. Again, this unbalances match play by making it extremely difficult to ever use skill to overcome the advantages afforded to the opposing team on a lopsided map(especially on offense).
3) Limited strategic options. This is due to the lowered walk speed. You cannot walk to the other side of a map within the time allotted in match play, due to the slower walk speed. This is a huge problem, as any good player can tell you, sound is crucial to locating enemies(and every step you take while not walking or crawling makes a ton of noise). Basically, either round times will have to be drastically increased, or gameplay will be strictly limited to rushes - which are pointless, as you will be running(with no accuracy) towards stationary(and thus accurate) enemies with no way to "dodge" (aka jump around).
Topic one and two are related, and are problems because they remove skillsets which were required to achieve excellence in 1.3. 1.4 has essentially made cs into a 1-demensional "run-stop-point-and-click" tactical shooter, instead of a multi-faceted, relatively-fast-paced action game.
If it is not realistic to have Valve re-tool 1.4 to make it competition worthy, then I suggest that the CPL either revert to 1.3, or speed up the process on the "special CPL developed Game."
I recall the q3 community rejecting a point release which completely adjusted physics to remove strafe-jumping. I find our situation to be very similar, as this has slowed match-play to a halt."Comment
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After playing CS for about 3 or 4 hours today and about 3 hours yesterday I can honestly say I have no idea what the hell all these people are complaining about. I see absoluteley nothing wrong with 1.4, I think it's a great improvement. I don't notice whatever the hell the jumping thing is, and I've had no errors so far. My only little niggle has been it takes roughly 15-20 seconds longer to start each round.
Are there that many bunny hoppers, llamas, whiners, idiots, "1337 d00ds" and pricks out there? I have yet to see any real problems with 1.4. Maybe becasue i play the game the way it was meant to be played.Comment
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RabidLeper wrote..
You have no idea what we are talking about because you are either a noob, or you just aren't that experienced.
After playing CS for about 3 or 4 hours today and about 3 hours yesterday I can honestly say I have no idea what the hell all these people are complaining about. I see absoluteley nothing wrong with 1.4, I think it's a great improvement. I don't notice whatever the hell the jumping thing is, and I've had no errors so far. My only little niggle has been it takes roughly 15-20 seconds longer to start each round.
Are there that many bunny hoppers, llamas, whiners, idiots, "1337 d00ds" and pricks out there? I have yet to see any real problems with 1.4. Maybe becasue i play the game the way it was meant to be played.Comment
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omg people the jumping is not that bad.. you are making it out to be worse than it is... seriously i just dont get why all these ppl are upset.. just fucking adjust to the gameComment
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WTF can ya do postal ? Complain, complain and complain some more which may result in a swift ban from Rze.
There is nothing we can do........valve can do whatever shit they want to 1.4 and future releases.( Hint: CS 2 ) BUT the stuff I am really waiting for is CZ.
If gearbox makes it sweet, I bet cha a tenner that more than half of the community will play CZ made by GEARBOX not VALVE.
IF gearbox screws it up, the rest of u can complain while I stalk up to Randy Pitchford, take a matchete and put it into his nerdy face for hyping CZ up.Comment
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Edited by [user="21273"] @ [time="1019881386"]
I dunno... the whole "feel" of CS is different now... Not even crouching and shooting seems as accurate anymore... I have no idea how long it will take me (or anyone else who has been playing CS for a long time) to get used to the VERY different feel of CS. And that's why I feel like bitching about it... and that may be the same reason why everyone else is bitching about it. This is one of the biggest changes in gameplay for CS upgrades in a looong time.Comment
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I really don't care if I get banned. That would just go to show why I don't play CS anymore.Comment
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i hate ppl who call others noobs. remember you yourself were once a noob. so insteadof complaining or crying just help them or be nice!!Comment
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I've been playing CS on and off since 5.2....it's still basically the same game, the only thing that's really changed is how much the public whines about new patches.
Well, maybe not actually, the complaining's roughly the same as it's always been. That and everyone seems to forget that for every 1 person posting a complaint on a message board there's dozens actually playing and enjoying the game.Comment
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Ok, seriously guys. What in the hell is your problem with CS 1.4. In my view, and probly some other people, it's gotta be one of the best made. Valve and the CS team put a lot on the line to make this, and they were probly expecting this......this....crap from whiners who can't "play" because they can't move when they jump... Well I just have to say good, I hope you get stuck because in real life you don't jump 9327474790374986749087598475 times in 8 min do you? No...So stop whining and play the frickin game for gods sake, you'll like it!Comment
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GonePostal wrote..
Link? I know Frank Nuccio and he certainly hasn't expressed these views at all.
This is straight from CPL which speaks wonders [sarcasm]how great v1.4 is.[/sarcasm]Comment
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I've tried playing it for 3 days...... it sucks, its boring.... and frankly I'd have more fun playing something else... but I'd have even MORE fun playing 1.3 with the new spectator modes & cool shit they added without the stuff they changed.... Every argument I've seen for the changes has a big flaw: CS was getting stale? Was it? I've been playing since beta 5 and I'm STILL getting better... And I have to be one of the best players (with 1.3 anyways) out there..... 60,000 people playing it can't all have been getting bored.
CS is about change: Uh, no? CS is about Terrorism:vs Counter-Terrorism.. there haven't been any major changes to the game since the end of the betas..... Thats why they were called BETA .... version 1.0 was supposed to be the complete one.... 1.0 was GREAT.... 1.3 was too (after getting used to muting everyone so I didn't have to hear them telling me about what they had for breakfast). 1.4 rolls out with some many gameplay changes it should have been called CS 2.... This isn't the game I played the betas on.. this isn't the game people bought when they were buying Half-Life:Counter-Strike. This is something completely different.. If they want to add a new weapon / content.. I'm all for that, as long as it doesn't unbalance things... But this.... this is just nonsensical, it made no logical sense to change the game this drastically.. it seems like it was just done on a whim.
The people against the changes keep calling those for it newbs / nubs: Well, if you LIKE the changes.... we're assuming you haven't been playing long enough to figure out how to play before, because this changes EVERYTHING... all the l33tz0r players can't walk, can't avoid getting shot...... I'm not talking about jumping 9 billion times a game, I'm talking about jumping, and then after landing a jump hopping out of the way... Those of you that think its not realism: I tell you this, when your life is on the line.... Your not going to be thinking about what you were trained.. Your going to think "how can I avoid getting shot" and any person, CT or not will dive out of the way of a bullet in an attempt to not get shot (unless he's slow-witted).
Stop whining? WHY? We DON'T like the game now, we've GIVEN it a chance after most of us were WHINING before it was released.... we SEE the changes suck..... we KNEW they would.. and they DO. I've had approx 12-14 hours game time, and I still can't manage to adjust.... Besides: they allready said they would change it back if it screwed us up........ it DOES..... they WILL. If you don't want the old jumping back.. well, your apparently a minority because %60 or so do... and probably a large portion of those that prefer the new jumping would be fine with the way it was before. It's VALVe's fault for not listening when we complained before.... this jumping-mod isn't going to set a rift in the community, its ALLREADY there..... look at these threads.... jesus..... VALVe set the rift when they released the damn thing. VALVe are not gods, they're just men.... they make mistakes, and many of us beleive this was a whopper...
We've got to whine somewhere, I suggest EVERYONE that doesn't like the new shit email VALVe.... uhhh (me grabs link real quick)
http://www.valvesoftware.com/contact.htm has all the info for VALVe - call them, fax them, email them..... until they announce they're going to set things back the way they were.... give them the message.
I'm not playing 1.4.... I've allready stopped, Urban terror is (now) more fun.. faster gameplay, and it never turns into a camping fest..... they understand that realism needs to be balanced with gameplay, and gameplay weighs less than realism. Its just too bad most of the U-T maps suck.
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