Thanks for the great games on R2 tonight!

[WarGimp]

Re: Thanks for the great games on R2 tonight!

I've never seen a good clan admin in my life and especially not from those non-competitive "mature gaming society" clans.

Define "good"?
The term means different things to different people. Some might consiter a nazi admin that kicks whenever they see you pull out a GL or get in a plane.
Others might only consiter "good" to be an admin that condones stats padding, game exploits, and tons of smacktalk.

For myself, I consiter a "good" admin to be one that you can talk to rationally and who's interested in keeping things fun.

I started playing on R2's server because it's got great ping for me, got hooked because I like DLing battle recorder files, and I'll stay 'cause the admins and regular players are generally cool and hella fun to play with (even when I'm getting me arse kicked).

[NASTIE_BUTLER]

Re: Thanks for the great games on R2 tonight!

I have to agree with Jareme on this. There is no such thing as a fully objective administered video game server.

Despite the reems of text on Raging Rebels server a number of us have experienced a more biased approach. Despite the claims that they never sink to lows enough to insult people you can see by the above posts that this is not true as well. They are friendly as long as you see things their way just like any other clan.

The truth is it is simply a clan server like any other clan server run on the whims and personal preferences of its admins. Its not a beacon of impartiality or the foundation of a new moral way of playing the game.

Wargimp...its sad to see that you have to go to a specific server to experience great teamwork in BF2. I experience in any server I go to when I play with my friends/squad. If you really want to experience teamwork on a higher level join a clan. Heck, join Raging since you are familiar with them.

Its also sad to see you have so many opinions on teamwork and strategies and as I witnessed still not have a clue how to play the game to win.
After the numerous criticisms you've dealt to me and my friends on our play style I saw first-hand that you are simply not on our level so I will take your future words with a grain of salt. One day you might back up your words with actions but until that day you are just another blue dot in a sea of millions. The thing that makes you stand out is that you are more vocal about stating simple and obvious strategies that only the newest players can learn from.

Contrary to what I believe you will interpret this post as (and probably report it for) this is not a flame. This is an observation and criticism that is in answer to your initial post. Let's hope it stays on this thread and other people can post their responses to be debated by the fine upstanding and always impartial folks as R2.

The best players are encouraged to play on R2...unless they are too aggressive and hurt the feelings of the less-skilled. At that time they are encouraged to go play somewhere else.

[JarEme]

Re: Thanks for the great games on R2 tonight!

A good admin has nothing to do with the specific rules of the server. It's someone who is aware of what is going on in the game and enforces the posted rules consistently and equally.

Never seen it (from a clan'd guy.)

[WarGimp]

Re: Thanks for the great games on R2 tonight!

A good admin has nothing to do with the specific rules of the server. It's someone who is aware of what is going on in the game and enforces the posted rules consistently and equally.

Never seen it (from a clan'd guy.)

Wrap that with an "In my (your) opinion" and you've got yourself a good post.


Consistancy and equallity are good things, but in my humble opinion, keeping things fun is the single most important role for a game admin. This might involve doing things above and beyond the letter of the rules or might involve a little unfairness.

Joe Blow get's kicked for TKing 5 times. Joe didn't mean to. He goofed. Joe is sorry and would like to do better. Cool, let him back in.
Jim Smith TKs once and follows it with "LAMO!!1!! U NOOB MORONE Y D YOU GET IN MY WAY?/ YOU SUCK NOOB!" and is banned permanantly for being a f:censored:k-wit.

This isn't fair, but an example of what I would call good admin.

[Mrs]

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Despite the reems of text on Raging Rebels server a number of us have experienced a more biased approach.

No bias here, we banned all of you. You are to thank for that Nastie. Nexar was the only one of the BSF guys banned on our server for constantly breaking the rules and flaming admins. As you said "His mouth got him into trouble and he deserved it".
Guess what? When you joined the server for one round, your mouth got you in trouble too. Our aim is to provide a fun place to play and when I get contacted by 6 people complaining about you smack talking it up about issues not even game related or insulting other players for their game plan choices then you become a problem for me. We want a populated server where people know they can go and play with as little frustration as possible, a place where the game is fun. If letting one person, who only just joined for one round, stay on the server means losing 6 regulars that play there often, I am going to remove that one person instead of losing the 6. We want our server utilised. If you cannot understand this logic Im sorry.

Unfortunately for the rest of your clan members the fact that 2 of their own members continually test our limits, rules and patience means that they are also banned. What you do and how you behave as a clan member who wears the clan tags does reflect back on to the rest of your clan.Its the old age rule, three strikes and your out. Strike one was you repeatedly TKing for a jet, Strike 2 was Nexar breaking the rules and flaming admins, Strike 3 was you returning to the server smack talking to our guests.

You, Nastie, even told me yourself on Teamspeak that BSF all share the same attitude, play by the same methods and condone each others actions. You also told me that you smack talk as a way to get people worked up so they challenge you and or your clan. As you put it you are Alpha and everyone who cant handle your smack talk is just Omega. That is a ridiclous statement and if you knew even a little about the basics of personalities you would know that just being aggressive, cocky and mouthing off does not make you Alpha. You want to be Alpha so you label yourself that plain and simple.

So to put it simply to you, due to a couple of clan members actions your whole clan will have to suffer the consequences of those actions. Unfortunate yes but necessary.

Its not a beacon of impartiality or the foundation of a new moral way of playing the game.

No-one ever said it was all of that so dont take the high ground and try to imply that people have said that. All that was said was, that it is a fun server to play on that has BR and VOIP working and where people actually participated in teamwork.

Contrary to what I believe you will interpret this post as (and probably report it for) this is not a flame. This is an observation and criticism that is in answer to your initial post. Let's hope it stays on this thread and other people can post their responses to be debated by the fine upstanding and always impartial folks as R2.

You know Ill respect your opinion, it is yours. However that doesnt mean that I will agree with it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, thats one of the things that makes us all different.

The best players are encouraged to play on R2...unless they are too aggressive and hurt the feelings of the less-skilled. At that time they are encouraged to go play somewhere else.

Totally untrue and flat out a lie. I do encourage skilled players to play on the server, they offer a challenge and also help to improve my own skills as well as our guests. I dont mind playing with players who continually kick my butt for those reasons, they offer a challenge and maybe I might learn something from them. Im not that hung up on my stats to care if they constantly own me as long as Im having fun. Skill however has nothing to do with aggression, and if any player skilled or not is aggressive, disruptive to the server or break the rules they would be shown the door as well. So dont try to make out that you were banned because you are too skilled because that is flat out untrue.

I dont want this to be a flame war Nastie, our desicion is made, there is no changing it. I have not insulted you or called you names so I would expect you to return the common decency and not respond to me in any such manner.

[NASTIE_BUTLER]

Re: Thanks for the great games on R2 tonight!

True Mrs you have not insulted me. Your other members have though. It just shows that no one person can determine the thoughts and actions of a whole and with that in mind one person's actions don't reflect on that whole.

I do not wish to be unbanned from your server. Truth is even if I played on your server without hurting poor meek Wargimp's feelings I would have been banned....actually we all would have been banned in due time. We would have dominated the server and won constantly to a ridiculous degree as we do every night. And yes...I know it hurts people's feelings and intimidates them. And yes we usually need to move from server to server as we tend to clear out servers.....people just don't like gettng owned that hard. Yes they stop having fun when they get owned like that. But the most important thing is that we are having fun.

A lil history for our readers:

After reading his post I simply saw an opportunity to challenge a player, Wargimp, that constantly harps on my squad personally. I joined his squad....played quietly for a couple minutes and realized that despite all his talk this guy just doesn't play that well. He continued to try and bh on oman of all maps despite our team bleeding tix and took all five of us with him across the gaunlet only to hover and get owned. I then told him I am going to start my own squad to show him how to do it....one of the members left his squad and joined mine btw. In five minutes the two of us took three flags. When the game ended I beat him scorewise and pushed him into fifth place. Wargimp did what I would expect a smurf to do....he told on me. He went on your ts and reported me as harassing him. I am sorry but I do not believe that six players complained about me because one of the six in the squad was me and another in the squad went with me. Be honest with yourself.

I was not being secretive in my intentions...I voluntarily joined your ts to tell you that we are coming with the intention of playing as a team. You confronted me by asking if I think that ninety nine percent of the players in this game are nubs that serve no purpose to me but to be targets (as enemies) and obstacles (as teammates) and I concurred. You asked me if I care about whether the the other players in the game are going to have fun and I told you I don't. I was just being honest and that got me banned. You say that you have the best players in your server and that they all play hard as a solid team. Well, BSF came to see what its like to play against a team like that. But, alas, it was not to be.

Your server mirrors any other clan-run server out there in that you will ban anyone who completely dominates to the point of raging other players or clan members. News flash....Skilled players are very capable of doing this whether intentional or not. I see it every night. If that is why you think we might have a bad reputation then I can say that I honestly don't care. I play to have fun not to make others have fun and every individual but the Pope does the same when they play the game. Everyone wants to own all the time. Its just a fact that most cannot.

The way you run the server with the purpose of creating a "fun" environment puts it into a special category. It's a sheltered haven for nubs that don't want to be owned too hard and have their feelings hurt. Your server is considered to me to be a "smurf village". It's a special magical hidden place that humans cannot find where the smurfs can be free to smurf around. Your server is not alone. Any server that enforces "no base raping" has this effect as well. You add rules that take away a competitive aspect of the game and shelter the less-skilled.

Listen...there are two types of players....those that play competitively (they find winning to be fun) and those that just play for the sake of playing. And there are servers that court both concurrently.

Read this and learn

http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm

I am happy to remain at the top of the food chain. I like to win. I am an apex predator hiding in the bush and players like "gimpy" are unassuming prey grazing and foraging for sweet fruits and delicate blades of grass in the forest. They don't know that they are being stalked until they get owned so hard they must run for a sheltered burrow like Raging Rebels.

Gimpy do yourself a favor and take a tighter hold onto your opinions in the future.

[Shae]

Re: Thanks for the great games on R2 tonight!

R2=Raging Rebels right. If so I have to play on that server. It has been ages since I played there. I'd love to play against some of the people that post in these forums.

Also, what hours do you guys generally play there. I am in Mountain Time US.

[« R²» HKS]

Re: Thanks for the great games on R2 tonight!

You really shouldn't have gone there Nastie. As far as I was concerned, I wasn't going to bring this issue up here. You won't do yourself any favours and you won't make yourself look like the hero and us the villians. I'm also sure some of the people involved wouldn't have even brought it up but you know now you are asking for a world of hurt?

Don't try and come off as being righteous in this episode. You yourself said "I can't counter that" to "every" single point I made, you had no answer or excuse or you agreed with what I said, so I suggest you seriously think whether this is worth it?

Why is it that [BSF] couldn't care less about getting banned/kicked from any other server except from ours and in fact wear their bans as a badge of honour, with the common response being "We will find another server to play on, there are plenty of them out there" How about your own Ranked server that you promoted here? Will nobody come and play with you?

This is not the way to get people to play [BSF]. I only hope you figure this out soon or no one will ever play you guys, not because of your self proclaimed uber skills but your attitude, aggressiveness, smalk talk and general disrespect of all BF2 players bar [BSF]

Don't forget you got beaten in that game by <<R2>>Swisscheese and you left the next round when I started to play and fly the heli. Wonder why?

Please Nastie, NOBODY GETS BANNED FROM OUR SERVER FOR BEING A SKILLFULL PLAYER!

So I suggest you have a long hard think about your attitude towards others. Don't make me bring the big guns out.

[Mrs]

Re: Thanks for the great games on R2 tonight!

Shae you will find us there at all times throughout the day, probably your night time after 10pm is when I am on.

[CaptainPuffy]

Re: Thanks for the great games on R2 tonight!

I normally Get on at around 2-3am Moutain Time. Mrs, Gimpy, and a bunch of other regulars are usually on at around that.

[vbl]

Re: Thanks for the great games on R2 tonight!

Yes you are not sure and obviously have no clue so let me fill you in.

Here's the server hardware specs for you.

Dual 3.0 Xeons (never has used anymore than 30% with BR+VOIP)
2gig RAM
100Mbit pipe (only uses 3%)
VOIP is run from a separate server
Battle recorder is uploaded at the end of the round to a separate ftp server

That means power to burn, not even slightly stressing the server, we could easily run 3 instances of BF2 on our server. We don't share the server with anyone. Its totally dedicated to us. You won't find a better setup out there for BF2 or SF. I suggest you look at your PC as to why you have people warping because nobody else has that problem. If they did I would be the 1st to know about it. :)

So please don't attempt any cheap digs about something you know nothing about.

I'd like to know what your PC specs are because nobody else has a problem, if they did I would know about it. I think maybe your PC is not up to scratch to play on 64 player maps. You realise BF2 is broadband only not dialup?

About you and your attitude on our server. Firstly you were told by all the server that you were a red tag friendly. You were politely asked numerous times to leave the server and rejoin to fix the problem. You ignored all these requests not only from admins but all the players who told you so. I then had to kick you, with the reason "Red Tag friendly please rejoin to fix this problem" Then you come back in and asked why you got kicked, when PB clearly stated the reason. Then you started arguing with admins, never a wise idea. I can dig up the chat log for all to see if you really want to.

Your type of attitude is not the type we encourage on our server. I'm pleased you will be playing eslewhere from now on as you disrupted the whole server and that's not fun for anyone. We kick red tag friendly's because it disrupts the server and people who play there appreciate this however most who are once told they have a red tag have no problem leaving of their own accord and rejoining out of respect to the other players.

Its the same for everyone.

Well, someone is wearing his big boy pants today.

I know I don't know about your server, that's why I said I wasn't sure. It's also why I suggested that it might be related to something other than the server's hardware. Personally, I run BF2 wonderfully - even on other 64 player servers.

Other people have lag issues on there too, including some friends who were playing with me a few nights ago. I've seen Mrs say, "It runs fine for me and I have a 200 ping" about a dozen times in response to people who ping well but get weird lag on your server.

As for your hard-headed administration...

I didn't see anyone telling me to leave. I was engrossed in the battle at hand, and I wasn't intentionally ignoring anything. What, did you think I enjoyed getting TKed and wanted to keep the tag bug going? That I disregraded the messages so I could watch my score get screwed up?

I can't download the BR file (which may not have chat logs in it anyway), but my guess is that you gave me about 15 seconds to see messages that were undoubtedly sprinkled among a ton of other battle spam, and then you kicked me.

After I got kicked I came back asking:

"Why the hell I was kicked," honestly confused and a little p1ssed about not being asked to log off first.

People were dicks about it, telling me that "I'm blind" when I genuinely didn't see the messages. Then I said, "Someone must've sent them to the wrong chat"

Then you know what? You kicked me again. For what? Asking questions and being a little miffed? Learn some tolerance you hack. A little compassion, perhaps. And then to top if off, the server filled up and I lost my slot - forced to wait for a while before I could rejoin.

I understand the tag issue being disruptive, but me questioning the validity of the kicks is only disruptive to what appears to be Capt.HKS' fragile ego.

Yea, I'm not playing there again. I'm glad lots of people like it, but your brand of Kindergarten-style administration doesn't appeal to me.

I was content to leave it at my earlier post (Mrs and I had an amicable parting of ways), but you just had to goad things on.

[« R²» HKS]

Re: Thanks for the great games on R2 tonight!

A good admin has nothing to do with the specific rules of the server. It's someone who is aware of what is going on in the game and enforces the posted rules consistently and equally.

Never seen it (from a clan'd guy.)

I guess you have never played on our server, so please don't stereo-type all admins in this manner. We don't kick people unless we saw the incident. We, when informed, will observe a player and if we catch them in the act will take action. We treat all the players with the same respect and expect it in return. We review BR footage at the end of a round to determine the best course of action.

Before you try and make global statements, wouldn't it be wise to actually experience it before making a statement like this?

[x0pht]

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well i dont know what happened on R2 server and R2 TS.

but my story is...

we usually play together in groups. so i saw my buddies on R2 server, cuz i've never been on there while i've read about their server alot on TBF2 forums. so i was thinking "not bad, why not go and check it out". when i was connecting, i heard one of our guys say "wth, why did i get banned?" on TS, which was followed by replies like "me too", "same here" - every BSF on that server at that moment was banned. then i was told BSF is not welcome on R2 server. so i pressed ESC to cancel the loading, figured I would receive a ban too if i joined.

[« R²» HKS]

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||bfa|| variable, you have been the only one who has had a problem of being kicked for having a red tag, the only one. You yourself said you had a red tag yet you didn't have the decency to leave the game and rejoin.

What is so hard to understand about the situation. You were warned, many, many times. Not only by me but by other players that is how I picked up you were a red tag friendly. The kick reason was concisely stated, in the pb kick reason. I guess you didn't bother to read it.

You then came back on and abused the admins, players for what reason I can't understand? We don't and won't put up with that. You are a "guest" on a server "we" pay for. would you behave that way in someone's home in which you were a guest? I would hope not.

BF2CC has the chat log stored, BR doesn't save in-game chat. Would you like to see the chat log to remind you of how you behaved over a simple thing like a red tag friendly bug?

Ask any low pingers on our server whether they have any problems. We have pings as low as 2ms. None of them have ever had a problem of what you describe. I was unsure as to why you had that problem but you won't state your pc setup/internet connection. You know ISP's can be the problem? Packet Loss?

I only wish that you didn't take your frustration out of being a red tag friendly on the admins and the rest of the server. There was absolutely no need for it and unfortunately you were the only player on the server who couldn't see that. Again if you want me to post the chat log from that episode I will, just say the word.

[Mrs]

Re: Thanks for the great games on R2 tonight!

I do not wish to be unbanned from your server. Truth is even if I played on your server without hurting poor meek Wargimp's feelings I would have been banned....actually we all would have been banned in due time. We would have dominated the server and won constantly to a ridiculous degree as we do every night. And yes...I know it hurts people's feelings and intimidates them. And yes we usually need to move from server to server as we tend to clear out servers.....people just don't like gettng owned that hard.

Actually Nastie you would not have be banned from our server due to winning or owning people. However if you taunt and insult people as you go about your winning or owning you would be. Everyone deserves to be treated with respect regardless of their calibar of gameplay. Like I said above I can play round after round getting owned and still have fun. When smack talk and insults start up though I fail to see the fun and/or humour in that.

A lil history for our readers:

Wargimp did what I would expect a smurf to do....he told on me. He went on your ts and reported me as harassing him. I am sorry but I do not believe that six players complained about me because one of the six in the squad was me and another in the squad went with me. Be honest with yourself.

See there you go again with the insults.."smurf".. Actually if you want to tell the story how about you get it right. Wargimp did not join our ts and tell on you. He sent me a pm on the r2 site. The only time he joined ts was after you were already there. He joined because I told him you were there. Nastie how many times do I have to tell you I have 6 reports about you from that one round. I never said anything about them coming from your squad either, you yourself presumed that. However what did surprise me is that the majority of them were from your own team with only one coming from the enemy. If you dont believe it, so be it. Im not going to waste my breath convincing you. I have no reason to lie to you.

Your server mirrors any other clan-run server out there in that you will ban anyone who completely dominates to the point of raging other players or clan members. News flash....Skilled players are very capable of doing this whether intentional or not.

Total BS We have never banned someone for dominating the other players.

If that is why you think we might have a bad reputation then I can say that I honestly don't care. I play to have fun not to make others have fun and every individual but the Pope does the same when they play the game.Everyone wants to own all the time. Its just a fact that most cannot.

You have a bad reputation by the way you treat people not due to your skills. You play to have fun, thats great ...so do I and a million other people out there, the difference is I dont see insulting people whilst playing as fun. I find the game fun, owning or not. I dont need to bag people out to make it fun. You seem to think its your skills that make people think badly of you, it aint buddy its your attitude and the way you treat people.

way you run the server with the purpose of creating a "fun" environment puts it into a special category. It's a sheltered haven for nubs that don't want to be owned too hard and have their feelings hurt. Your server is considered to me to be a "smurf village". It's a special magical hidden place that humans cannot find where the smurfs can be free to smurf around

Oh please do you think you and the bsf guy are the only skilled players in bf2, there are plenty of skilled players that play on our server without any problems. This kind of attitude is why you are banned. You think you are gods gift to bf2 leetness and anyone else is a nub or a smurf. Just remember, you yourself were a nub/smurf not so long ago. All comes back to respect.

I am happy to remain at the top of the food chain. I like to win. I am an apex predator hiding in the bush and players like "gimpy" are unassuming prey grazing and foraging for sweet fruits and delicate blades of grass in the forest. They don't know that they are being stalked until they get owned so hard they must run for a sheltered burrow like Raging Rebels.

LMAO, do you really think that you are at the top of the food chain because you have a high rank. Since when has bf2 been about food? If you are a predator you are a preying mantis. Have a think about that one for awhile

Im done here Nastie !