I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

[Speirs[NL]]

Re: I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

Hey,

Don't get me wrong with this post, cause I love this game but I have to say this about the airpower in Battlefield 2.

I have respect for the people who extually can fly and bomb on the right targets but yesterday night I could shoot the guy in my team who was flying the jets... I was lying on my bellie in the gras and I was shooting at 4 people who tried to capture a flag... I killed 3 persons and was shooting some rounds in the 4 player who still tried to capture the flag... then a nice teamm8 with a jet flew over and bombed the hell out of me!

Then a couple of minutes later... I was at the next flag that I justed captured but one of the USMC tried to capture it back.. i lockated him and tried to shoot him... then the same guy flew over and bombed me again... leaving the other guy in 1 pease....

I'm not a punisher so I did not punish the guy...

So... that was my story... hahaha...

(P.S. are here any positive post about this game???:p )

[Heavy552 AWG]

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Jets are a joke in this otherwise fabulous game. Look how easy it is for almost any class of foot soldier to take out a M1A1 tank (the most powerful battle tank in the world) then contrast that with how impossible it is for any class (except another pilot) to take out a jet.

Jets are simply too powerful and ruin many maps.

I'd like to see the Vulcan gun on the carrier mounted on a few vehicles, or at varying points on the maps, that would help.

Think about the Arab who can barely understand the red wire and the black wire. With that and a big bomb blowing up the Tank off the road.

Anything made by man can be blown up by someone else. That big bad M1 Abrams you worship can be destroyed in a variety of ways... just hope that the designers built it right to protect the crew and give them a fighting chance to survive the event.

[Vasquez]

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Think about the Arab who can barely understand the red wire and the black wire. .

Just out of interest, what does being arabic have to do with being able to identify coloured-wire? Just wonderin', like.

[RocKtheCasbaH]

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Still, having to land, taxi, turn around, rearm (same length of time every map ,1-2minutes), then take off again would fix the problem. Then the engineer's mines, anti-tank, arty and spec ops could take them out while on the ground. Now that would be fun! and would discourage their over use.


Bottom line is Dice/EA aren't going to change it. So we are stuck with it.

Agreed. Helis shold land on the pad (more or less what they do now) and jets should have to land to repair / re-arm but it wont happen anytime soon.

[Harmor]

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Agreed. Helis shold land on the pad (more or less what they do now) and jets should have to land to repair / re-arm but it wont happen anytime soon.

Have you ever tried landing a plane??? I can't without doing like 75% damage to myself. Unless they change the durability when it comes to planes hitting runways then I don't think it would ever be possible.

Also the runways are too short.

[Sneaky Assassin]

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Have you ever tried landing a plane??? I can't without doing like 75% damage to myself. Unless they change the durability when it comes to planes hitting runways then I don't think it would ever be possible.

Also the runways are too short.

It's quite easy to do, you have to slow down quite a way before runway and make sure you keep the nose up (and not have any nobs leaving jeeps on runways.)

[Vasquez]

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(and not have any nobs leaving jeeps on runways.)

This happened to me once coming in to Birmingham Airport. Wasn't sure if it was a jeep that was on the runway but the rest of us passengers could definately smell the brown-trouser moment that was occuring in the cockpit.

[Clownstyle]

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I actually tried firing at a passing jet with my machine gun today. While I'm sure I was right on it atleast part of the time, I got no damage indicator. I seriously wouldn't be surprised if EA left out the code that would make jets damageable to infantry fire when in the air.

You don't get damage indicators by shooting jets -- unless you actually hit the pilot in their cockpit -- but it does do damage. It would be great if they would fix this so you knew when you were actually hitting the enemy jet.

[Clownstyle]

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Something that needs to be considered. It doesn't mean things are balanced necessarily, but worth thinking about:

Several people have argued that tanks, choppers, etc, find themselves to be much more vulnerable than planes, because they are closer to troops on the ground who have effective ways of dealing with them. This is all true. But the flip side is that precisely because tanks, for instance, are so close to troops on the ground, they can rack up easy kills. They can see their targets and kill them, and their targets are everywhere.

Planes, on the other hand, with the exception of a base rape (when one team is down to one flag so people are spawning there), can't target troops on the ground. On the off chance that a plane does spot a troop on the ground, it is usually too late for them to do anything about it. The only time planes kill troops on the ground is when those troops happen to be near or next to a vehicle that the plane was targetting, when a flag has recently been neutralized so the pilot can assume someone is there, or when the commander provides a target (even then, it requires so precise timing to use the map for bombing).

In short, planes are really confined to taking out vehicles. They may get lucky and kill troops on the ground, but that isn't because they actually "saw" the troop there. For the most part, planes are about taking out other vehciles, whether they be ariel or ground vehicles. Contrast this to tanks which have no such restrictions and can easily find and kill ground personel.

Personally, when I am playing a foot soldier, the last thing I worry about are planes. If I'm in an area being bombed by planes, more likely I am also in an area being bombarded by artillary. Against the foot soldier, tanks are a far greater threat, and if it were not for planes taking out vehicles on the ground that threat would be even greater.

[Chenzo]

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In short, planes are really confined to taking out vehicles. They may get lucky and kill troops on the ground, but that isn't because they actually "saw" the troop there. For the most part, planes are about taking out other vehciles, whether they be ariel or ground vehicles. Contrast this to tanks which have no such restrictions and can easily find and kill ground personel.

Bam! My opinion exactly. Nice.

[WRATHofGOD18]

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I agree, but have some options- I think.

Yesterday I was playing wake against a team with 3 of the best Pilots I've seen. If you travelled a road, you died. In a vehicle, probably dead. I got hit with some arty, so I respawned as a spec ops, and swam from the airfield to the little island with the american arty and destroyed it. Since I was a squad leader 1 of my squad members spawned on me, got in the AA on the little island, and between the other commander trying to repair his arty, my squadmate trying to bring down planes, and knocking out a few helos, we had a blast.

My advice? Just get creative, with all the layers in this game, there is SOMETHING you can do to counter Aircraft. But yeah- I hear your arguement, it would be nice if AA was beefed up a bit, it seems like if the rockets were a bit faster, and tracked a bit better that might help. Who knows.

[Harmor]

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You don't get damage indicators by shooting jets -- unless you actually hit the pilot in their cockpit -- but it does do damage. It would be great if they would fix this so you knew when you were actually hitting the enemy jet.

Incorrect. I get damage indicators all the time when I shoot jets with my PKM.

[Harmor]

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But yeah- I hear your arguement, it would be nice if AA was beefed up a bit, it seems like if the rockets were a bit faster, and tracked a bit better that might help. Who knows.

Actually I think they track fine 90% of the time. If you follow the trails of the missiles you'll see they goto their target and then dart off in another direction. They get with 2m of their target so why not make them explode on proximity???

[Dirk001]

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Borat From Kazakhstan

[puglous]

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I don't see how airpower is any different than armor whoring. i've seen armor whores on karkand get the same score as these 'impossible-to-kill ace pilots' that you are all crying about. It takes mad skill to rule in a jet and get more than 10-15 kills a game. It's a piece of cake to get that many in anything else.

However, I WILL agree with you poor pathetic victims on the ground in cleansweep - you guys get SOOOO rocked on that map, I love it. lol.

Some good teamwork, C4, and maybe a smoke bomb or two can take out armor. As can some good cover and two AT guys. It may take mad skill to rule in a jet (which I doubt, but it may) and get 10-15 kills. But how much skill doesn't it take to SURVIVE in that jet? A lot less than armor, I'm sure.

And there are no buildings that can protect from airpower. Like I said, I've been bombed through windows countless times. The one kind of building that can protect you from airpower is one of those factory buildings in Dalian plant and Karkand. And it probably won't be long before pilots can bomb you in there too.