I'm so sick of airpower ruining this game!

[puglous]

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So wait can you tell me where balance is in life????

Seriously....all these infantry fanboys are getting annoying... and I suck at flying jets but do you see me complain....NO...why because its part fo the game....

God if EA/Dice answered every whiners complaints the game would be a bunch of soldiers running around with no weapons on empty maps... get over it and just try differrent tactics....

Can you tell me where respawning is in life???? Can you tell me where instant healing from a gun shot wound is in life???? This is a GAME, and therefore, its goal is good GAME play. People who run over your mines and punish you are part of the game. Do you love those guys?

And I love how everyone is saying whiner even though they can't use the word right even in the slightest sense.

Airpower, and other vehiles are what make BF2, BF2. If you dont like it go on and play CS.

We don't need to totally remove airpower, just make it fit more with the appropriate credit/rock, paper, scissors/reward tactics and teamwork system.

And last but not least, I'm not an infantry fanboy, I'm a tactics and teamwork fanboy.

[Berrern]

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I haven't got the time to read all the posts, so apologies if this has been posted before in this thread.

Anyway, the big problem with the jets in BF2 is their speed. I remember in Desert Combat (mod for BF1942), the jets were just as powerful in terms of weaponry, but their speed was much much slower than BF2's jets.

Seeing as these planes weren't moving at lightning fast speeds, you actually had a decent chance at taking them out with mounted machine guns - or atleast hurt them pretty badly.

In BF2 they fly way to fast for the machineguns on ground to be a thread against them. This makes us rely 100% on the Anti-Air emplacements, but the problem is that they're next to worthless.

Faster-moving machine gun bullets or slower jets would decrease the air dominance, but I doubt it'll be easy to implement something like that and find a balance.

[stormwolf]

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Airpower, and other vehiles are what make BF2, BF2. If you dont like it go on and play CS.

Aman to that!

If BF becomes CS, I'm gonna have a hell of an easy time switching to WOW and CIV4.
Yes, maybe it's about time to make BF a bad game and take the battlefield out of the game. Make it the infintry circus.

Anyways, SpecicalForces should be the answer for the jet whiners.
I also think we - infintrey whiners should get a mod with increased air power. It would be great to have 10 against 10 dogfights!

[puglous]

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I'd also like to add that the problem with the AA in this game is that you can't get better at it. Unlike jet and helo flying.

It might also help to motivate more dog fighting in the game. Don't know how much of this there already is, though.

[stormwolf]

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I'd also like to add that the problem with the AA in this game is that you can't get better at it. Unlike jet and helo flying.

It might also help to motivate more dog fighting in the game. Don't know how much of this there already is, though.

Do you mean better AA will motivate more dog fighting?

If so, you sure don't dog fight a lot. The only thing that makes me break out of a serious dog fight, is someone shooting me with AA missiles/guns - if it is my team doings, I imdialtely break out of the dog fight and try to avoid getting close to that area - let the idiot on the ground from my team, that shoots an AA missile on the enemy while I'm chasing him, handle the enemy pilot him self instead of making yet another "accidental" TK.

If it is an enemy AA - I make a flip, break out and return - only to bring hell onto the enemy fool on the ground that tried to shoot me down.
If anything - AA makes me break out of the dog fight. Motivate a dog fight - LOL

One of the solution to the air suppriority is quite simple - spot the enemy jets for god sakes! When ever you have the chance - spot. If infintrey used spotting for jets as often as they could, they'd make the enemy jet visible to your team's jets almost constantly. So yet again, if ground forces would use their assets better, there would be no whining over jets (spotting a jet is a HUGE asset).

[The_Misfit]

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agreed, air power is part of the game...

I do agree with an earlier poster, the jets in this game are waaaay faster than those in DC, gone are the days of usuing a Shikra to tear up jets, best bet for linebackers now is helos and hoping your missles get to the jets.

And the AA's tracking really doesn't seem to be that much improved. I've picked up several 'team dmg' hits with Stinger/IGLA's over the weekend.

But there are ways around airpower.... ...spotting jets, good pilots on your side, taking their airfield (if cappable ex: wake island), etc....

[[RS]Wedge]

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It does take timing and practice in order for AA to work properly.

[Deez]

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Someone call the wambulance!

LOL, good one

[Oni]

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If you actually try to fly a jet...You can see that it's pretty hard to kill anything on the ground. I think its mostly for air combat... Like for helicoptors and other jets and doing any of those is hard too :/

[RedRooster]

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How about introducing a blackout/redout meter a bit like the sprint bar.

Very good pilots with pressure suits can handle high G forces no problem for sustained periods, but the majority would pass out and crash and burn doing these kind of manoeuvers. I think you should only be able to do tight turns and rolls etc. for a few seconds, then you must let your brain get some more blood (or less depending which way you are pulling/pushing).

This way if you aren't good enough to evade and get clear of the AA in the first few moments the second wave will take you down while you fight to stay conscious.

I agree the air power is an important part of the game, and I mostly have no problem with choppers as they do come down with various methods. Jets however have no equal other than another jet. There is nothing more annoying than spending bloody ages trecking across a big map in a jeep only to hear beep beep boom and you are dead.

Since 1.03 I have tried numerous times with AA, fixed and mobile. I think I managed to hit a jet once with one stinger, but he circled around and bombed the hell out of me before it had reloaded. Other than that I have had absolutely no luck downing one, although I have managed to keep a few busy. Like someone mentioned earlier this should be rewarded, since you can spend all day in AA and keep a jet out of the bombing game, but you get 0 points at the end of it. Might as well just run around dodging jets and singing "Get ammo here" instead.

[Acufeezle]

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Air power rules in real life too. If you dont like it, go play contestrike or something.

[regal7788]

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but they still need to balance a few issues,aa missles should be more effective, which would reduce the life expectancy of pilots by half, and really good pilots by a quarter or so...

[Vasquez]

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Air power rules in real life too. If you dont like it, go play contestrike or something.

"If you don't like it, go play counterstrike" seems to be the Quote of the Day here today. :)

[imported_The 13th Raptor]

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"If you don't like it, go play counterstrike" seems to be the Quote of the Day here today. :)

Its the closest thing to an argument they seem to have.

[stormwolf]

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but they still need to balance a few issues,aa missles should be more effective, which would reduce the life expectancy of pilots by half, and really good pilots by a quarter or so...

I disagree.

The better pilot's supriority will become even clearer. Average pilots will not be able to fly for more then a minute tops if you'll reduce the better one's life expectancy by a quarter.