WTF, "Commander scoring - No more TKs from Artillery" in 1.03 patch!!!

[BurnTheWeed]

Re: WTF, "Commander scoring - No more TKs from Artillery" in 1.03 patch!!!

What a load of bull
Players always run into arty strikes. I see it in virtually ever other game I play in.

You're seriously telling me that you're engaged with the enemy for a full 15 seconds. Unable to run say 10 meters further away from the artillery which isn't directly on top of you in the first place.
In 15 seconds every engagement I've played in has either ended (with either me or enemies being killed) or they have to reload which easily gives ample time to find some cover behind me.

Yep, as I said, this happened to me now less than 3 times the last time I played Karkand. I get a flag, make it go grey get pinned down or actively engaging the enemy and suddenly the artillery is all around me. If you don't have EAX3 than you don't even hear the artillery coming.

[glasseye]

Re: WTF, "Commander scoring - No more TKs from Artillery" in 1.03 patch!!!

i dont have eax on and i hear the arty. falling that is, not firing. not that i dont hear it firing if im near the guns.
anyways, i get artied by commanders when im at an empty flag w/ nobody on the uav often. you can either stay there, die and get abused by some idiot commander or pull out to a safe range and come back in just in time for enemies to spawn.

[StalkerZERO]

Re: WTF, "Commander scoring - No more TKs from Artillery" in 1.03 patch!!!

So lemme get this straight.....you will be able to walk out into an area being bombarded...devastated....OBLITERATED by highly explosive cannon shells and not be touched? And you get to watch and laugh like a god as you mockingly point at some poor sap next to you (who happens to be on the other team) as he/she gets blown into the next millenium?

I'm sorry but that is just plain stupid...moronically so.
It would have been better if they just ended punishments for any TKs from a commander's arty. Simply that and nothing more.

[NoB33r4u]

Re: WTF, "Commander scoring - No more TKs from Artillery" in 1.03 patch!!!

So lemme get this straight.....you will be able to walk out into an area being bombarded...devastated....OBLITERATED by highly explosive cannon shells and not be touched? And you get to watch and laugh like a god as you mockingly point at some poor sap next to you (who happens to be on the other team) as he/she gets blown into the next millenium?

I'm sorry but that is just plain stupid...moronically so.
It would have been better if they just ended punishments for any TKs from a commander's arty. Simply that and nothing more.

Seriously did you just read this post?
They are only removing the arty "you have teamkilled - BOOTED!" and maybe the point loss for commanders.
Nowhere has it said that FF will be off. Thats just dumb.

[StalkerZERO]

Re: WTF, "Commander scoring - No more TKs from Artillery" in 1.03 patch!!!

Seriously did you just read this post?
They are only removing the arty "you have teamkilled - BOOTED!" and maybe the point loss for commanders.
Nowhere has it said that FF will be off. Thats just dumb.

Good. Please disregard my last post.

[Harmor]

Re: WTF, "Commander scoring - No more TKs from Artillery" in 1.03 patch!!!

So lemme get this straight.....you will be able to walk out into an area being bombarded...devastated....OBLITERATED by highly explosive cannon shells and not be touched? And you get to watch and laugh like a god as you mockingly point at some poor sap next to you (who happens to be on the other team) as he/she gets blown into the next millenium?

I'm sorry but that is just plain stupid...moronically so.
It would have been better if they just ended punishments for any TKs from a commander's arty. Simply that and nothing more.

We're not entirely sure. I don't think you are IMMUNE to friendly artillery, but rather when you die you don't count as a TK for your commander.

We're assuming that your team still looses tickets because of your death.

We're not sure if the commander get -4 point for killing a teammate still.

You'll be welcome to call for a mutiny for the commander though, which I'm sure will be more successful if you have a commander doing this constantly I would think.

[StalkerZERO]

Re: WTF, "Commander scoring - No more TKs from Artillery" in 1.03 patch!!!

We're not entirely sure. I don't think you are IMMUNE to friendly artillery, but rather when you die you don't count as a TK for your commander.

We're assuming that your team still looses tickets because of your death.

We're not sure if the commander get -4 point for killing a teammate still.

You'll be welcome to call for a mutiny for the commander though, which I'm sure will be more successful if you have a commander doing this constantly I would think.

Ok, well that makes more sense. I wonder what else will be in the patch.
I hope they add native widescreen support.

[Harmor]

Re: WTF, "Commander scoring - No more TKs from Artillery" in 1.03 patch!!!

Ok, well that makes more sense. I wonder what else will be in the patch.
I hope they add native widescreen support.

Unlikely.

I just hope this new TK'less system for the commander won't be exploitive.

[IRONxMortlock]

Re: WTF, "Commander scoring - No more TKs from Artillery" in 1.03 patch!!!

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. I find friendly arty to be more of a hinderance than a help most of the time and now that diks looking for cheap kills can drop it anywhere with impunity it's going to become an absolute menace.

Let's wait and see how many complaints roll in about this after the patch is released. It will be more hated than bunnyhopping and the blackhawk combined. The only thing we can hope for is that now that points are given to people for destroying commander assests that the arty will rarely be in operation anyway.

The best solution would be to make it so that the commander can't fire the arty at all if there are friendlies in the area. That way you can be sure a friendly has run into the arty (rather than having it dropped on his head). Then the person who is killed by friendly arty should be penalised for getting into that situation.

[Harmor]

Re: WTF, "Commander scoring - No more TKs from Artillery" in 1.03 patch!!!

The best solution would be to make it so that the commander can't fire the arty at all if there are friendlies in the area. That way you can be sure a friendly has run into the arty (rather than having it dropped on his head). Then the person who is killed by friendly arty should be penalised for getting into that situation.

I like this solution better than ALL. If someone is say within say 20m of where the commander clicks on his commander screen then he can't drop artillery.

But of course people can still mutiny their commander so its not like they don't have a recourse for a commander that is TK happy.

However, many times I wish I could drop artillery on a spawn when I see like 5 enemies and 1 of my guys - the 1 guy isn't going to survive against a tank, APC, and 3 guys on foot!!!

[big_sammy_b]

Re: WTF, "Commander scoring - No more TKs from Artillery" in 1.03 patch!!!

OMG, WTF are they thinking?

Pre-patch 1.03 info: http://forum.eagames.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=6673



I know as commander I try to be careful and all when dropping artillery, but this is silly.

Won't this lead to griefing?

I guess it'll be time to make more mutiny votes for sure. Just hate the servers that have disabled the mutiny vote button...arg...

I think its a good idea, people have PLENTY of warning about when artillery is coming so why should the commander be penalised?

The only way tks for artillery would be fair would be if all the kills the commander gets from artillery count as normal kills too.

[IRONxMortlock]

Re: WTF, "Commander scoring - No more TKs from Artillery" in 1.03 patch!!!

I like this solution better than ALL. If someone is say within say 20m of where the commander clicks on his commander screen then he can't drop artillery.

But of course people can still mutiny their commander so its not like they don't have a recourse for a commander that is TK happy.

Alas, I can't take credit for this idea. It is simple and elegant and it comes from Kdd813 on the EA UK forums.

As for the mutiny thing. In 140 hours of playing I have yet to see a successful mutiny vote. Even if the votes are reached it seems like it doesn't actually remove the commander from his post.

I will take matters into my own hands and kick any commander on our server who drops arty into an area inhabited by friendlies. Once you've all had a taste of what this new rule will bring I think many will flock to servers that do so.

[Harmor]

Re: WTF, "Commander scoring - No more TKs from Artillery" in 1.03 patch!!!

I will take matters into my own hands and kick any commander on our server who drops arty into an area inhabited by friendlies. Once you've all had a taste of what this new rule will bring I think many will flock to servers that do so.

Again when there are 5 enemies and 1 friendly heading towards a flag I think many commanders will drop artillery because by the time it drops that one friendly is probably dead...and the flag wasn't capped by the enemy. This, and only this, situation is where I think this new tweak will be useful.

But like you said you'll mutiny them so for you I award you this ribbon:

Mutiny Vote Ribbon
Awarded for distinguished used of the munity button during extended periods of combat.

• 10 mutiny votes initiated in the same round
• 1000 Global mutiny votes initiated

Congratulations

[IRONxMortlock]

Re: WTF, "Commander scoring - No more TKs from Artillery" in 1.03 patch!!!

^^

Arrgh! FYI I have never yet used the mutiny button.

Obviously there are certain situations where it would be acceptable. That's why human admins are nesceary to any game. When I'm alone facing two squads of enemies and the commander drops arty on my head I'm not going to be anoyed at that. The commander shoudn't worry about the TK they receive either. But to use that to justify this new system makes no sense. What's going to happen is that you'll have commanders dropping arty onto the heads of full squads facing 2 players. Why wouldn't they? They can get their kills and feel really manly.

In situations like that I won't mutiny them. As an admin I have no need for mutiny votes. I will kick and if needed ban them from our server.

Just wait and see the plague that this will become on un-admined servers.

[BLNKY]

Re: WTF, "Commander scoring - No more TKs from Artillery" in 1.03 patch!!!

However, many times I wish I could drop artillery on a spawn when I see like 5 enemies and 1 of my guys - the 1 guy isn't going to survive against a tank, APC, and 3 guys on foot!!!

The problem is that on a standard public server, there really is no "team"-spirit - the team is a temporary grouping, consisting of 32 individuals. You could be switched to the other team at any time, half your team consists of tk punishing, I-wanted-that-plane-so-now-I'll-stand-on-the-runway-so-you-can't-take-off brats => I feel very little loyalty to my team.

I would gladly take one for the team (in the situation you mentioned above) if there was a sence of team-spirit/people working together but I have yet to experience that.