Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

[machstem]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

Yep. Add some bleeding to the equation, and I have my winner. I'm very happy with mostly everything, except for the technical glitches of the game (crash to desktop, random server drops, etc..but that's another discussion)

I used to be very big on realism, but instead found modders that were "too" into realism, leading to alot of boring and annoying gameplay (gun drops when hit in arm/hand..but you can pick it back up)

All in all, BF2 is damn nice to look at, great times playing it, highly addictive, and even frustrating at times...hehehe

fuzzy effect promotes some realism. Realism is good but you need to find a happy medium, the more realism at some point = less fun. I think BF2 finds a pretty damn good balance between the two IMO

[POWER]

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I don't like hyper-realism (realism at the cost of gameplay) any more than the next guy. IMO if someone made a mod that had America's Army's style of 'feel' with the movement/shooting accuracy/lethality of weapons with all the rest of the stuff standard BF2, that would be about perfect IMO.

AA has leaning, some good gun handling (Combat Effectiveness Meter allows suppression fire to be effective) and a nice level of weapon lethality. It even has a bleeding/bandage model. With a few tweaks I think it could be a great mod for BF2.

Point being, you guys are wholly missing my original point. I don't want less diversity, I want balance. Right now there is nothing to be done against jets. Fix it.

[JDUB]

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IMO -

I came from BFV and PoE for BFV. Jets were much easier to take out with the pick-up AA kits, and in BF2, it's a miracle if you can get one hit on a jet! Every good bomber/fighter pilot will automatically destroy the immobile AA site, making it impossible to defend. I like infantry battles. It's simply not fair to the infantry to make the aircraft impervious to most attacks.

I've played BF42/DC, BFV/PoE, and now BF2. I wasn't too impressed with vanilla BFV either, but the PoE team brought me back.

In other words ... wait until the mod teams start releasing! I'm always amazed at how the top mods transform the game into something very fun and very addicting. :)

[ttopi]

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Stingers, IGLA's and Linebacker/Tunguska's do hit you. Every day I have been shot down by AA. It's not balancing if every AA should automaticly hit air vehicles. You must use them correctly, it's not like point and click, you need to be smart to determine the right time to fire them. Nothing is supposed to be easy. If there isn't any challenge, what's the point then? Flying is not easy, I can tell you that. It needs a lot of practise. Practise to use AA and you can get jets down. Patience and practise, it always pays off.

I think the best thing about this game is that it gives you the freedom of the choice to do what you can. I'm not a good grunt, but I'm a formidable pilot. That's my thing in this game.

[JDUB]

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Currently you CAN take plane down with stingersite or AA-vehicle. It's not easy and 100% reliable but it is not supposed to be.

That's why I liked PoE/DC gameplay more...

Aircraft are rightly dominating in the real world but in-game I think it's better to even things out a bit ... even a good pilot in PoE wouldn't last too long if he had an SA-7 stalking him.

But I digress. I realize that many people play this game for the aircraft, others for ground vehicles, and still others for pure infantry.

It's hard to find the proper balance between each style of play.

[stormwolf]

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IMO -

I came from BFV and PoE for BFV. Jets were much easier to take out with the pick-up AA kits, and in BF2, it's a miracle if you can get one hit on a jet! Every good bomber/fighter pilot will automatically destroy the immobile AA site, making it impossible to defend. I like infantry battles. It's simply not fair to the infantry to make the aircraft impervious to most attacks.

You will be suprised I guess, but it would be a miracle if you'de hit me in the phantom by the AA kit in BFV.
I suppose I am one of those jet pilots who makes you want to reduce the jets ability. Fact is i it's not the jet, it's the pilot. Same as I built the skills to fly almost untouched in BFV, I did the same in BF2.
After quite a few hours of BF2 game play, I have only ecountered no more then 3 pilots that owned our infentry, while I was infentry myself. Excuse me, but 3 rounds out of a few houndreds does not sound like a game balance problem to me. Most are supposed to be average, some good, some bad, and few excell or suck big time. This is excatlly what I feel when I either infentry around or take the jet.

And I like karakand simply because it's a very well done infentry map and I like infentry gameplay too. Not because not having jets. (I like it for what it is, not for what it is not).

[KBH33]

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I hates jets firstly cos they always just ram in and kamikazi sometimes and also cos I cant drive well

[ttopi]

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I hates jets firstly cos they always just ram in and kamikazi sometimes and also cos I cant drive well

There are players that solely take a plane and ram others... That's lame.

Well, you know accidents do happen and it's quite easy to crash into a chopper while shooting it. Not always rams are intentional. I even apologize if I ram someone.

[imported_Fig]

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I didn't read through this whole topic, but this guy is right, Karkand is amazingly popular because there are no aircraft, and the map is very well designed. I personally would like to see a version of that map with only humvees and gazs, but I think people like that map because it is actually really fun to play infantry on that map, vehicles take a side seat, as AT guys can be anywhere, and hide everywhere.

Aircraft can kill everything, and nothing except a better pilot can kill them with the degree of easy ness they bomb us. sure you can try the nerfed missles, get a hit every 1 out of 100 times, (and you die once every 50 times, as they bomb you), or try mobile AA, which is kind of a misnomer as you have to stop to shoot it well, and all the levels with mobile AA have fairly difficult terrain to manuever, so if you just keep moving, you'll fall off a cliff, drive into an ocean, whatever.

Karkand is popular because its the only map that feels like Stalingrad or Berlin. Pure, high adrenalline, close quarters, urban combat, without being raped by a jet or heli every 30 seconds.

[JDUB]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

Karkand is popular because its the only map that feels like Stalingrad or Berlin. Pure, high adrenalline, close quarters, urban combat, without being raped by a jet or heli every 30 seconds.

I'd love to see a few more Stalingrad-ish maps!

[stormwolf]

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I hates jets firstly cos they always just ram in and kamikazi sometimes and also cos I cant drive well

I never kamikazi on purpose - never ever. You do not know how angry I get when I die in the jet - I'm a total fanatic for my KDR. I will not spare any death, not even for 100 kills. If I kamikazi - it was an accident.
Take note that a lot of times the choppers are the ones responsible.
Try getting rammed from the buttom by a friendly chopper who was on the ground and thought it would be cool to lift off excatlly when I'm above him, then both friendlies punishing you for TK Totl noobs.

And if you can fly well - try practicing. And do it on Local server. This is what I did on BFV.

[CheetoDust]

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I hate it when people use shortcuts like IMHO and CQC...for god's sake, take the time to type out 3 words..

[DrunkenAviator]

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I love the jets.. I fly all the time... I also see that the AA does need a little help... It'll be better for me that way.. Keep the tards out of the air.. : ) Seriously though, they need to make the super-quick unguided SAMs from DC a secondary fire option on stationary AA sites... (The mobile AA is fine, since you can use the guns if you have any aiming skill)... But the sites DO need help...

[big_sammy_b]

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people like karkand because it allows them too point whore, thats it.

[ShadowWarrior18D]

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I like the Karkand map because usually the battles are intense and you're always on your toes plus jets **** me off once in a while. Not to mention you don't have to spend 5 minutes walking to get some where.