Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

[bam23]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

Give the jet flyers a map like BF1942's Coral Sea.

[=HPSF=Dr.Doom]

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I totally agree,

People like Karkand becuase it acutally HAS a front line. Front line = battles = killing = fun.

Transport choppers = no front line = no strat = no fun

This is why people like Karkand....being able to fly over everything to whatever flag you want makes maps more boring.

IMO transport choppers ruin the intensity of the game.

[POWER]

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To the (one) guy that mentioned that BF2 is about vehicles and infantry: I agree. However, I think that those elements need to be *BALANCED*. Right now they're not. Especially the jets.

To the guys who are saying that the major reason people like Karkand is because of the stats: I am fully capable of getting 120+ points on Kubra Dam, Dalian Plant, Gulf of Oman, etc. Put me in a Helo and watch the fur fly (good gunner required for best results).

Don't get me wrong, I LIKE vehicles. The thing is, with the way the game is currently, if you're not in a vehicle, you're SCREWED. End of story. Heck, I laugh all the way to the stat point bank as I happily camp the streets of Karkand with my BMP/LAV/MBT etc. clobbering all the hapless infantry. I do it as a sort of game balance terrorist tactic. I figure if I do it often enough, people will complain about it enough so that something is done about it.

Meanwhile, keep those 100+ point games rolling in....

[Lt.Kris]

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Well, that's my point also. Less vehicles = more fun. Fun being infantry combat. If vehicles are around, and you're not in one, you're screwed.

yeah, too many vehicles mess up the fun, only thing is sometimes the bh whores get annoying but its fun when u shoot them down and get 6+ kills and they call u a hacker and start a kick vote against you.:laugh:

[BarkingSquirrel]

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"Why everyone likes Karkand:"

Because they're all CS nubs, duh.

People who can't deal with all aspects of the game really shouldn't playing the game. Watch, I guarantee these same people will get EA/DICE to make every new map infantry only completely destroying what Battlefield is all about - Watch.

[POWER]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

"Why everyone likes Karkand:"

Because they're all CS nubs, duh.

People who can't deal with all aspects of the game really shouldn't playing the game. Watch, I guarantee these same people will get EA/DICE to make every new map infantry only completely destroying what Battlefield is all about - Watch.

Again, it's people like you who are COMPLETELY missing my point. I don't want vehicles (jets) GONE. I want them BALANCED. Jets would be fun if an infantryman could spawn with an AA kit and have a decent chance of defending himself. The game would be self-limiting. Too many hotshot jet pilots? You'd see half the enemy spawning with AA kits. Same thing happens with tanks. If you see a well coordinated tank offense/defence with multiple tanks with engineers supporting each other, all of a sudden every other enemy troops is sporting AT. Happens ALL the time. It's called game balance. Tanks have it, jets don't.

[Hollister360]

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i like them because ythere like black haw kdown

[shadow_wolf]

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Karkand would be better with no tanks/APCs

down with vehicles :p

[Colonel Sanders]

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What i think would be cool is if they had a couple of levels like Karkand but where they had no helos, no jets, and no armor. make it just infantry combat and instead of armor put FAVs, humvees etc in. I realy like Karkand and wish they made more maps like it

[Real_2St0n3d]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

used to be in a league who made a minimod of DC (called 21st century warfare)

anti tank kit had a couple stingers on him as well as AT rockets.. maybe not big on realism but it sure did a good job of balancing things a bit! Helo's/planes still where dangerous, but once you got them figured out after some practice, they where managable! speed didn't need to be altered or nothing, just the stingers, for a lot less frustration on the ground

[BarkingSquirrel]

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Again, it's people like you who are COMPLETELY missing my point. I don't want vehicles (jets) GONE. I want them BALANCED. Jets would be fun if an infantryman could spawn with an AA kit and have a decent chance of defending himself. The game would be self-limiting. Too many hotshot jet pilots? You'd see half the enemy spawning with AA kits. Same thing happens with tanks. If you see a well coordinated tank offense/defence with multiple tanks with engineers supporting each other, all of a sudden every other enemy troops is sporting AT. Happens ALL the time. It's called game balance. Tanks have it, jets don't.

Stingers work just fine against jets, as long as you're not being a retard and firing them perpendicular to the flightpath. Helos could be fixed by simply slowing down the flare reload, or not being a complete idiot about how you fire at them.

Just because you are completely and utterly incompetent about how to defend yourself, doesn't mean its not unbalanced. Fix the veering off for no reason, fix the flare reload, and don't be a retard. Bingo, problem solved.

I'm also sick of these retards who lock onto me with a stinger, miss due to being incompetent, stay in the damn thing, then whine because I came back and blew it up.

[DeathFromAbove]

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"Why everyone likes Karkand:"

Because they're all CS nubs, duh.

People who can't deal with all aspects of the game really shouldn't playing the game. Watch, I guarantee these same people will get EA/DICE to make every new map infantry only completely destroying what Battlefield is all about - Watch.

WTF are you talking about I never play CS...

[POWER]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

Stingers work just fine against jets, as long as you're not being a retard and firing them perpendicular to the flightpath. Helos could be fixed by simply slowing down the flare reload, or not being a complete idiot about how you fire at them.

Just because you are completely and utterly incompetent about how to defend yourself, doesn't mean its not unbalanced. Fix the veering off for no reason, fix the flare reload, and don't be a retard. Bingo, problem solved.

I'm also sick of these retards who lock onto me with a stinger, miss due to being incompetent, stay in the damn thing, then whine because I came back and blew it up.

Don't admit that there's things wrong with the game (flare reload, missiles veering off for no reason) and call me incompetent in the same breath. You're a jerk for making this personal. Furthermore, I probably have more success with the Stingers than probably 90% of players out there, yet I still think they absolutely suck for their intended job.

The missile guidance algorithms in the game suck, as well as the missiles just being bugged in general. It needs to be fixed. And man portable Stingers wouldn't hurt anything either, especially against jets. I think that if the missiles were actually effective against jets, they'd be too effective against helos. Therefore I suggest that the helos have more effective countermeasures (flares) than the jets.

[Colonel Sanders]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

Stingers work just fine against jets, as long as you're not being a retard and firing them perpendicular to the flightpath. Helos could be fixed by simply slowing down the flare reload, or not being a complete idiot about how you fire at them.

The only problem with stingers is that people know exactly where they are, so when they see the lock on signal they know its the nearest stinger probably and they shoot at the stinger sight,
The best thing to do, in my opinion, is to take off the warning device that says they have locked on to you out of the game, take it off the helis, jets, and armor. If you take it off it will be much more balanced for the infantry

[[Tex]Headinjury]

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I agree they need balancing, also add a map like No Fly Zone and one like the all-armour map in DC. There were so many tanks/planes on those maps pretty much everyone got to ride something.