Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

[DeathFromAbove]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

Oh yes, and if you compare a score from say, fushe pass and karkand, in Fushe id get like 15 to 20 points maybe, and in karkand I get like 45 to 50 so people gain rank easier in karkand.

I gain rank easier in all MEC maps but China :laugh: I think it's China thats not doing so well. It's not really about gaining rank easier it's just the joy of walking down a hallway giving people haircuts with a PKM, you can't do that in China.

[ConscriptVirus]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

see jet fighitng is more of their own world...they cant really do anyhting in the game except drop stuff from the skies and shoot each other down...they cant capture the flag or do the other stuff that bf2 offers...so its like their own world

[ConscriptVirus]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

plus i would like to see a vehicle that can take jets out easily like in that loop footage of bf2 where that aa vehicle taking out the jet and making it look easy

[Catch28]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

I like the fact that its infantry combat for the most part..Im still waiting for a pure infantry based map. Sometimes you just don't feeel like dealing with jets-tanks-choppers

you get infantry combat more in SF so that will help this

[Eglaerinion]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

Well infantry only is basicly a dumbed down version of BF where you have only one aspect to worry about. The great thing about BF is that there are more aspects to the game making it more challenging and that requires more skill, tactical insight and patience.

But ontopic I think the missiles need to be faster and more manouvrable than planes, this makes them more realistic and better balanced.

[imported_dumbo]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

IMHO, the reasons those maps are well liked:
[a] they're (relatively) small, you can get around them fast, learn the maps fast, and are rarely a long way from the action. There are also relatively few flags - meaning you can actually try to defend them (unless you get artillery dropped on your head every 30 seconds).
[b] there are no aircraft.
[c] there are few 'heavy' vehicles.

The 'fun' is drained out of BF2 whenever you get 'rock-paper-scissors' except there are only rocks and paper, and you've got the paper. (e.g. most of the time you're on foot vs a 'heavy vehicle'/aircraft/helicopter, and for me, when I run into someone with a GP-203 at close range).

[Do0minator]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

Actually, the choppers are as messed up as the jets, probably even more so.

But, you're right, Karkand is popular because there is no air power. If it were simply close quarters combat, then Mashtuur and others would be popular, but they're not, since choppers just roam around those maps, controlling the game.

Most maps with carriers are strictly air maps; all the ground forces can do is try not to present a target to the more or less invulnerable choppers, what with their incredible armor, incredible firepower, top of the line speed (except for jets, which otherwise have all the advantages of choppers), FREE fast repair and free fast weapon reload.

Oh, and air units are also immune to the incredibly broken C4.

Take care,

Rick

[SmilingRaccoon]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

City maps are fun because they are the most balanced more or less, any non city map half the time your stuck without a vechical and here comes a bomber or a tank or a apc and you sir are f***ed. In karkand theres 3 vechicals all of which are easyer to kill since spec ops can c4 them a LOT easyer with all the allys and AT can peak out and fire with cover with more ease on these maps. Theres no walking miles to the next flag or waiting for one stupid buggy so you can get to the flag. You just spawn and fight like mad in city maps. In the other 2 there are a few more but still minimal vechicals, some air powers but few and far between.

[machstem]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

Well, that's my point also. Less vehicles = more fun. Fun being infantry combat. If vehicles are around, and you're not in one, you're screwed.

You know, the reason why most people play Battlefield series is BECAUSE OF THE VEHICLES.

I love the fact that I can get into a variety of vehicles, and be able to switch back and forth.

If it's infantry you're looking for, play COD or CS: Source or something. Tanks, jeeps, boats, jets, helis...it's what I bought the game for. Why would you buy a game called "battlefield" without vehicles?

Doesn't make sense!

I personally am a helicopter fanatic, but can't handle ONLY being in a helicopter, so that's why I picked this game up. I don't know why people complain about the helicopters being such a pain in the butt, like the blackhawk or cobra. If you really want to take one down, sit in a jeep, not an AA, and it'll take it down in about one sitting. In the helicopter, well, I can't say I have a problem dodging AA missiles and jets, rarely do I get killed by them, it's always a FAV or if my gunner is too stupid to kill the mounted AA.

My .02

PEACE

[DeathFromAbove]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

You know, the reason why most people play Battlefield series is BECAUSE OF THE VEHICLES.

I love the fact that I can get into a variety of vehicles, and be able to switch back and forth.

If it's infantry you're looking for, play COD or CS: Source or something. Tanks, jeeps, boats, jets, helis...it's what I bought the game for. Why would you buy a game called "battlefield" without vehicles?

Doesn't make sense!

ROFL!!! you don't make sense!

[Real_2St0n3d]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

I allways will turn to Karkand for my first round, to get in to things.. sometimes I'll disconnect somewhere and find another server running S@K

I love the arguement that S@K is a 'stat padder map'.

If you're in a helo with a good gunner in, for example, Kubra Dam, getting scores of over 100 easy, is that stat padding too? all CO's who are efficient, using Arty to effect and helping his squad is evil too I guess?

Maybe we should throw down the weapons and stop playing then.. there's allways a whiner who will see something he don't like and condemn it, regardless if it's cheating or not.

I'll keep playing the maps I like.. and I'm sure everybody feels the same way.. I'm not a stat padder as my k/d ratio should prove.. Improving slowly but surely :)
And when I am sick and tired of heli- and plane wh0res (?) I'll play another round of Karkand and grin when someone calls me a noob or worse. Somehow it's allways the whiners who end up underneath a tank.. there is allways an option to disconnect if you're really upset..

[machstem]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

I agree. As long as two or three people aren't in the far ends of a map doing that padding, then it's part of the game. You're flying around, helping your team capture and kill...if EA/DICE didn't want it in their game, they would have taken it out. Personally, I enjoy every map they have, I'm a big fan of variety. I wish they would have included more maps though, personally!

PEACE

I allways will turn to Karkand for my first round, to get in to things.. sometimes I'll disconnect somewhere and find another server running S@K

I love the arguement that S@K is a 'stat padder map'.

If you're in a helo with a good gunner in, for example, Kubra Dam, getting scores of over 100 easy, is that stat padding too? all CO's who are efficient, using Arty to effect and helping his squad is evil too I guess?

Maybe we should throw down the weapons and stop playing then.. there's allways a whiner who will see something he don't like and condemn it, regardless if it's cheating or not.

I'll keep playing the maps I like.. and I'm sure everybody feels the same way.. I'm not a stat padder as my k/d ratio should prove.. Improving slowly but surely :)
And when I am sick and tired of heli- and plane wh0res (?) I'll play another round of Karkand and grin when someone calls me a noob or worse. Somehow it's allways the whiners who end up underneath a tank.. there is allways an option to disconnect if you're really upset..

[Brucewillis2]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

Yip, something has to be done about those planes... the AA on the US carriers seem to be marginally effective against planes but that's where it stops. Maybe we're just not doing something right with those stingers.

Nothing wrong with any other vehicle, they all have their place and add to the game... planes do not.

Every since having a few great games as an anti-tank I no longer worry about heavy tanks or APC's especially when you have a few other anti tanks in your squad with a support guy to back you up. In fact we enjoy seeing a few tanks roll our way... light them up for a while so they panic then unleash a three prong attack... instant smoking wreckage.

[Bongwater]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

people like karland cause its constant action in all areas.

[triple]

Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

ok karkand with

a) no artillery
b) no tanks or apcs

man that would be the perfect map right there.