Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

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  • POWER

    #1

    Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

    It's also why people prefer Mashtuur City and Sharqi as well. Even though the last two have helos, they don't have jets. Jets really ruin this game. If you're not in one, you can't kill one. If your team has really crappy and/or no pilots, then you just get raped by the one or two jets from the opposing team.

    You can't shoot them down with the Stingers/IGLAs except by pure luck. You can't kill them with helos and/or any other vehicles except by pure luck as well. Against tanks we have AT kits. Even though an M1 is extremely powerful, 2-3 AT guys can take one down almost instantly. The jets don't have a counter like this.

    If there were an AA kit that had a Stinger launcher with 2-3 backup missiles, and the missiles were about twice as effective as they are now, I'd say it would be fair to include jets in maps. Currently, were the Stinger/IGLA placements are, the area of coverage of the maps is horrible. You don't have direct view of the aircraft ingress/egress, no line of sight, and trees/buildings are *ALWAYS* in the way. I know it's designed like that on purpose. I just think it's a bad design descision.

    Personally I think it would be a great idea to design more maps that are more limited in the way of vehicles. I'd love to see maps where the heaviest vehicles on the map is an LAV/BMP, with plenty of Humvees and buggies to get around in. You don't see anyone complaining about Humvees/buggies being overpowered. Everyone likes them. They're balanced, and it's fun.

    A lot of damage can be dealt if you have a good driver/gunner in a Humvee. It surprises me that this is the only vehicle (not counting the MEC/Chinese counterparts) that requires a driver/gunner to be effective. I would have thought that DICE would have required at *least* a Driver/Gunner for the LAVs and MBTs.

    A guy named Universal_Soldier and I were playing on Kubra Dam last night and we were both scoring over 100 each game by being a pilot/gunner in a Cobra. No voice comms, we just knew what we were doing and were both excellent pilots/gunners, so we knew what each other were thinking w/o requiring communication. I think that kind of teamwork should be rewarded. Jets don't need that kind of thing to be 100% effective.

    Yeah, I know the F15s etc. have LGMs, but those suck compared to just using the bombs at low speed. By the time you can get a lock, you've already flown past your targets.

    Anyway, jets suck. And not cause I get "pwned" by them. I can fly them and kill with them just as easily as anyone, but it's not fair and it's not fun.
  • Carpface

    #2
    Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

    Well I like those city maps more because because they lack all sorts of vehicles, not just jets. But I do find them annoying too from time to time.

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    • POWER

      #3
      Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

      Well, that's my point also. Less vehicles = more fun. Fun being infantry combat. If vehicles are around, and you're not in one, you're screwed.

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      • a1pointguard

        #4
        Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

        I agree with you, they are pretty gay/annoying most of the time. Where is the stupid player's stinger like in DC?

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        • rombaft

          #5
          Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

          You maybe right, karkand with aircrafts would make it a total other kind of map with maybe less succes.

          The reasons why I like karkand.
          It's real infantry based, and there is room for each kind of infantry, the AT, medic, support, spec ops, eng, sniper, all classes have there work on this map.

          Also, on foor, you don't have to walk for 10min and swim another 5 wothout seeing someone to reach the battle.

          Close combat, nice and typical graphics creates feeling on this map.

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          • $G-MONEY SMITH$

            #6
            Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

            I think a chopper would make this map a blast. Attack choppers for both teams. The mec attack chopper would own due to its auto cannon.

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            • Umi.Ryuuzaki

              #7
              Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

              Karkand is nice, but i would like to see other variations...

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              • UnrealAlex

                #8
                Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

                No.
                People like them because its urban maps where u gain points fastest.

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                • Sniper_13

                  #9
                  Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

                  cause its easy to kill people. and TANK just pure ownage

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                  • MindBlowing

                    #10
                    Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

                    I hate them, full of grenades and eryx noobs respawning after you killed them with a tank ...

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                    • Ramseus

                      #11
                      Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

                      The majority of people in the majority of games (who aren't air whores) tend to prefer CQB (close quarters battle) not because of the lack of air power, the arty is much worse IMO, but because you don't have to drive a kilometer just to flank a base. You just spawn and you're right in the action. And if all the planes are in the air, there's not going to be much bombing going on anyways because you have one guy just trying to stay alive and a guy on his tail focusing 98% on him and 2% on not crashing into the terrain.

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                      • DeathFromAbove

                        #12
                        Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

                        I like it because your in the action as soon as you spawn.

                        I was born a raised it Karkand and I have been living there for 96 hours

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                        • dwuf76

                          #13
                          Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

                          I like the fact that its infantry combat for the most part..Im still waiting for a pure infantry based map. Sometimes you just don't feeel like dealing with jets-tanks-choppers

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                          • $G-MONEY SMITH$

                            #14
                            Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

                            Oh yes, and if you compare a score from say, fushe pass and karkand, in Fushe id get like 15 to 20 points maybe, and in karkand I get like 45 to 50 so people gain rank easier in karkand.

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                            • BH|Recon

                              #15
                              Re: Why everyone likes Karkand: NO AIRCRAFT.

                              i tend to agree here... as much as i like the game.. theres no chance of a jet outrunning stinger missiles.. maybe one if they are lucky.. but why can i unload a whole aa tanks stinger supply on one jet and not get a hit.. i think the jets just need their speed nerfed a bit and that would fix the issue since at this point only jets can kill jets and like said above that requires a good pilot or 2 on each side.

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