Heli Flag Whoring

[voLcar]

This have been posted now twice...

[Habloc]

Dont take a genius to figure out the unbalance in the "transport" choppers, you hear, "transport", not flying tanks...

[lt.miller]

Heli whoring is fine imo. If you honestly can't shoot down or take the BH spawn point then you are a noob.

Even if they make it so helos can't take a flag people will cry about the BHs guns. It's just something you have to overcome. Not too hard really.

Seriously. I am sick and tired of people complaining about the Blackhawks. For christ's sake they aren't invincible. Besides EA is submitting to the whiners anyways and balancing the helos in 1.3. Hopefully all they do is beef up the other helos. But then everyone will cry about them too. The Blackhawk is over-powered compared to the other helos but on a game-wide scale it is fine.

[[120mm]Tefty]

If everyone had their way... people would be running around with NOTHINg, and in massive big bright red and blue jackets to properly identify the teams... and hell not even running because 'waaa waaa some classes can run more than others'

Blackhawks with lots of people in = teamwork = :banana:

What is the point of having these features in the game and these teamwork opportunities, when people complain about their use?

[BigBadBob]

Not at all. You were acting 'n00bish.' If someone is BH 'whoring' on a map, it's only because your team is letting them. With good teamwork on the part of the opposing team, it's not very easy for even an organized BH squad to 'whore' a map. If your team can't muster the teamwork to impede the BH's progress, then the BH team fully deserves all of the points they get. They are working as an organized team to earn those points.

I have to believe that 9 times out of 10, when people complain about BH whoring, they are just upset because they aren't able to lone-wolf an entire BH squad into oblivion.

Exactly. People just don't want to admit they don't know how to take it down by themselves. When they have 15 other people to help them.

[jonnysanchez]

* Gameplay tweaks - the way transport helicopters work will be tweaked.

i dont know if this has anything to do with scoring but something about helicopters will be fixed. possibly the "damage kill assist" you get if youre a passanger in a blackhawk and someone gets a kill on the minigun

[badzmaru]

Bottom line = step up to the challenge.

If you can't take it down on your own, solve the problem! Do whatever it takes to win! Grab an AT, call for support, lob gernades, shoot your pistol at it like Tom hanks in Saving P Ryan. And if you die, spwan and get back into the fight. :evil:

And if you such a quitter/whiner...learn to pilot a helo and do the same thing back. It's THAT simple. :laugh:

[[120mm]Tefty]

agreed

and tbh pistol fire at the blackhawk works :) its got such wide open doors ive managed to pistol quite a few people sitting in the back as they are hovering near the flag

[imported_Rafterman]

Thank you for another pointless thread on this topic. There were a few issues left undiscussed in the previous 50 threads.

[[120mm]Tefty]

oooo someones got out of bed on the wrong side today havent they.....

[glaeken]

The real problem with the Blackhawk is when it has a couple of engineers on board fixing it constantly. Then it becomes very hard to take down. In those circumstances a tank or the stingers are the only thing that can touch it.

Biggest problem I see is the way the Blackhawk currently works ruins a lot of the maps as they just fly around capping defended flags which then get taken back the moment they fly off and not much ground combat actually ends up happening. It actually makes for a very boring game when you have the Blackhawk being exploited to the max e.g. engineers on board and no intention of holding any flag the blackhawk squad take.

Still 1.03 looks like it is fixing this in some way so that will be good as it really is the only major game flow breaking issue for me.

[imported_Rafterman]

oooo someones got out of bed on the wrong side today havent they.....

Actually, no, I feel great. I'm just tired of guys who think they need to start a brand new thread to discuss the same thing that's already been talked about dozens of times.

The search button is your friend.

[j4k3]

I was playing on some server last nite and I called a guy in a blackhawk a stupid stat whore for well flag whoring...(100pts. a round). and he calls me a n00b, thats ****ed up isnt it?

well, do you thing that it will be fixed in the next patch? while I personally like to fly in cirlces around a enemys flag and let my gunner provide air supporrt, i dont sit there and get the flag myself. do you think that when blackhawks rape the entire area while team gets flag is whorin??? just curious

what's f'ed up is YOU calling him out on it. just let him play, man. he's not bothering you... he paid for the game just like you did... let him do whatever he wants. it's only a game.

ok, i'm only like this 'cos i'm a heli whore, too!


:p

[oaKenfoLd]

It's at least encouraging to me to see that others here are starting to figure out what I've been saying for some time.

"Blackhawk Whoring of Flags" isn't some 'omg this is soooo easy", its challenging as hell. If the people on the ground used half of the teamwork and coordination required to keep the hawk up, that hawk would be down in seconds. If the opposing side is using the Hawk effectively, it is because your team is NOT using hummvees, vodniks, missiles, tanks, and guns effectively, NOT because the hawk is "SOOO overpowered".

I don't disagree that the hawk could use a little balancing. Make it take a little longer to repair. Maybe make it take a couple seconds longer to hover cap.

To hear some speak recently though, the blackhawk is SOOO easy to use and coordinate with, and is an invincible gonna-pwn-the-whole-map-and-not-be-succeptible-to-anything vehicle. You show me someone who feels that way, and I'll show you a nublet who hasn't tried the hawking themselves to see what it takes.

[glaeken]

It's at least encouraging to me to see that others here are starting to figure out what I've been saying for some time.

"Blackhawk Whoring of Flags" isn't some 'omg this is soooo easy", its challenging as hell. If the people on the ground used half of the teamwork and coordination required to keep the hawk up, that hawk would be down in seconds. If the opposing side is using the Hawk effectively, it is because your team is NOT using hummvees, vodniks, missiles, tanks, and guns effectively, NOT because the hawk is "SOOO overpowered".

I don't disagree that the hawk could use a little balancing. Make it take a little longer to repair. Maybe make it take a couple seconds longer to hover cap.

To hear some speak recently though, the blackhawk is SOOO easy to use and coordinate with, and is an invincible gonna-pwn-the-whole-map-and-not-be-succeptible-to-anything vehicle. You show me someone who feels that way, and I'll show you a nublet who hasn't tried the hawking themselves to see what it takes.

I tried it out for the length of one map. Scored around 150 as did the rest of the Blackhawk squad. Obviously we have different definitions of the word challenging. You definition seems to have it meaning piss easy.

Anyone who thinks whoring the blackhawk is hard if you have the right balance of players in it e.g. a couple of engineers and two gunners really should forget about stat padding and try playing the rest of the game.