Sense of Entitlement on these Forums...

[Rambo]

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Picturing how i would look as a Caveman Dramaqueen lolz

I always trust Vreki for a down to earth statement!(on ya Champ!) even if it does come in muppet form sometimes lol

[LunaTiK TunaLiK]

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I really doubt any normal player of the BF Franchise actually knows what "Realistic" is bro.

I don't think I'v ever seen a game come close to realistic. The so called "realistic" games are the games that are the most unrealistic.

[imported_Fish]

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I can't say you're wrong to think that DICE should try to appease a vocal minority

didnt nearly all the changes in the BF2 patchs come from the minority voice?

[Minmaster]

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the thing is you don't know jake... like you thought it'd be dumb to make weapons damage increase and lashed out at people who suggested it. now they have raised the damage and you're looking like an a-s-s lol.

fyi, i never asked for realism, but i remember you went off on couple people who brought it up.

[Nicfurious29]

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We have:
*Cavemen who thinks gaming peaked with pong
*Dramaqueens and their I quit/cancel/commit harakiri threads
*Rabid fanboys that treat the game like a religion
*L337 pilots who think everybody else are just targets in their personal flightsim

But I dont see much of the entitlement you are talking about, at least not here on TGN.
Its not entitlement to state how you wish the game should be different, it first becomes that when you demand that they follow your wishes.

That has to be one of the smartest rebuttal I've heard on this forum to date.

[[GCA]Tim270]

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DICE isn't making decisions on which venue has better teamwork and communication or what a small online community thinks should be the "next step in Battlefield." They're making a game that will appeal to the largest demographic.

They obviously aren't sell outs, trying to mimmick MW2. BC2 is no BF2142 for me, but I am enjoying it immensely and it's far superior to MW2.

The largest demographic being (big generalisation here) people who are CoD players on consoles (seeing as this is the largest chunk of the market)

BC2 is a far better game than MW2 but you have to admit, this is more similar to a CoD style of play than to something of any of DICE's previous games (excluding BC1) which might not necessarily be so bad, but I hoped DICE will keep trying to do new interesting stuff.

Me saying that I like teamwork was more of a justification of why I prefer the PC community over consoles rather than what DICE should do with their games, I like games that have realism in them to complement the gameplay as long as they still retain the fun factor, for example Red Orchestra, PR etc. Stuff like ArmA smokes dick.

BC2 is by all accounts a good game and is quite a lot better than other stuff on the market right now, but to me I just cant get used to the strange looking weapons and the game as a whole, although I think I will buy it just for the Squad gamemode to play with friends.

Also, most of the BF players have already left these forums.

[MrChris_CJ]

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it is a strange phenomenon, but I think its more down to people not understanding how the industry works

but then again its entirely within a developers power to make a game multiplatform and still make it ****ing awesome, and a really good title on PC

sometimes it annoys me, but I don't mind people voicing their opinions as long as they give some good reasons for why things change

I guess its fine as long as people understand the context

like, I think bullet damage is too low, lets have killstreaks that multiply it << shoot the user that suggested it in the face

but I also think using Battlefield 2 as this go to de facto standard for comparison is bad, it was an awesome game yes and I enjoyed every minute but it was also in so many ways completely and utterly BROKEN and I hope Battlefield 3 takes those things and ***** slaps them into working fashion

it makes me cry when someone says BC2 should have soloing etc; sometimes its not simply a matter of opinion but some jackass not understanding simple ****ing game mechanics

and I've gone off on a tangent

WOOPS

[The_Eliminator]

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Vrekis last sentence is 100% correct imo.

[jimykx]

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I agree. If i were dice id do the same.

[CptainCrunch]

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didnt nearly all the changes in the BF2 patchs come from the minority voice?

Yeah, and if possible, play the 1.1 patched version and the 1.5 and see how different it is. Some of it is good. A lot of it is not.

the thing is you don't know jake... like you thought it'd be dumb to make weapons damage increase and lashed out at people who suggested it. now they have raised the damage and you're looking like an a-s-s lol.

fyi, i never asked for realism, but i remember you went off on couple people who brought it up.

The thing is you dont know either Minmaster. We wont get to try the game out with the weapon increase until release. Maybe it wont make any difference at all. Its only 1 bullet. But if the increase doesnt change anything or if it makes the game really hard to play, was Jake wrong?

As for Vreki's post, Are not the points you pointed out elitism themselves? People that want to change the game for their own ways so it fits their mindset? Those very same people that Demize talks about on twitter? He jokes about all the "ban BC2 if this isnt added/changed/removed" people. The demands people are throwing is, dare I say, stupid and self-serving. I'm sure not every idea is bad. It is a beta after all and people are giving feedback.

Maybe I am reading your post wrong, Vreki, but when I read it, it looked like you lined up the groups of elitism that some may be seeing.
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And how about those folks gnashing their teeth on the BF3 RUMOR of it going to console? No elitsm there? Just opinion to make the game better?

I dont know, its all crazy and strange. This reminds me of the CS:S changes and stuff. Man I hate that game.

Also, very good job everyone comenting in a rational manner. I know that sound stupid, but gamers are very passionate about their games and can tend to go a bit overboard

Crunch

[Vreki]

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Maybe I am reading your post wrong, Vreki, but when I read it, it looked like you lined up the groups of elitism that some may be seeing.

You can say that, it was meant as an example of some of the BF posts most likely to end in flames. We have plenty of them but I don't see that many making straight out demands of DICE. They tend to hit the official forums instead.

So we are close-minded and selfrighteous, but I think "Entitlement" misses the mark.

[CptainCrunch]

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You can say that, it was meant as an example of some of the BF posts most likely to end in flames. We have plenty of them but I don't see that many making straight out demands of DICE. They tend to hit the official forums instead.

So we are close-minded and selfrighteous, but I think "Entitlement" misses the mark.

OK, I see what you are saying. That makes a lot of sense.

I guess if you look at the DICE forums and Demizes twitter, you will see entitlement for sure. I wonder if there are any steam groups boycotting BC2? Probably not.

Crunch

[Minmaster]

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yes crunch, but the people who wanted better damage didn't claim to "know" what is best for everyone, just what they thought was good for themselves. the main difference between the 2 parties is that one party is just pointing out something without intentions of offending anyone while the other party often resorts to offending the former party.

but yes, the EA forums (not DICE forums crunch), its about 10000x worse than here. its no surprise GVD decided to boycott the forums.

[jimykx]

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This reminds me of the CS:S changes and stuff. Man I hate that game.

Crunch

I hate counterstrike. Dont talk about Cs. Its so damn the worse of every humanity's game
Dude i dont understand how so many people can play a game like that... cs1.6: no fun, allways same thing allways same tactics, nobody teamworks( you dont even have elements to do that) graphics are worse that squares, no physics its dumb and extremely repetitive(the most **** and repetitive game i have ever played) and i still dont understand how so many people play that and keep playing that.CS source is allways the same, just with better graphics and with physics this time... but the gameplay feeling is the same

[jake_]

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sometimes it annoys me, but I don't mind people voicing their opinions as long as they give some good reasons for why things change
I guess its fine as long as people understand the context
WOOPS

This is what I said too.

Complaints are fine as long as they are well grounded. A complaint because you can't "solo" in the chopper, because the game is not enough like BF2, etc are not valid complaints in my book.

You can say that, it was meant as an example of some of the BF posts most likely to end in flames. We have plenty of them but I don't see that many making straight out demands of DICE. They tend to hit the official forums instead.

So we are close-minded and selfrighteous, but I think "Entitlement" misses the mark.

Entitlement *might* not have been the absolute best choice of words, but I do see it on the forum. You can find plenty of posts by people talking about how "we made DICE with BF2" and how "BC2 isn't the BF2 sequel we deserve."

I wouldn't say self-righteous either, because this isn't really a moral issue. :p

the thing is you don't know jake... like you thought it'd be dumb to make weapons damage increase and lashed out at people who suggested it. now they have raised the damage and you're looking like an a-s-s lol.

fyi, i never asked for realism, but i remember you went off on couple people who brought it up.

I didn't think it would be dumb, I thought it would be unnecessary. I didn't "lash out at people" I voiced my opinion the same as you are. I don't care if they raise the damage or not.


edit: By entitlement, I really mean the expectation many people have that the next game in the BF franchise will be like their beloved BF2 and then they're angry when it isn't.