Let Everyone Know; I am a "Hack"

[JoMaMaz]

Re: Let Everyone Know; I am a "Hack"

Thank you for that post Patton, I believe it was needed. :thumbsup: :salute:

Yeah...I wondered about the idea of 'powerservers' when I read about them in the other thread here on how to rank up faster. It's basically stat padding. Most people would not consider that cheating per say, but lame as hell, lol. People seem to do this with all games that have ranks. Why? Why do people get so obsessive about a number beside your name... Granted, the weapons get unlocked etc, but it should be a fun process, not something that ruins the game. Some people practically stopped playing CoD4 when they had unlocked everything and gotten their rank. They asked, "What do I do now?" In this fourm, we told them, "Now you play the game." lol

[CptainCrunch]

Re: Let Everyone Know; I am a "Hack"

No, thats teamwork. Kinda like two medics working together in BF2142

Crunch

[=98=]

Re: Let Everyone Know; I am a "Hack"

I shall ask another question pertaining to "Right and Wrong"..
PowerLevel Servers were brought to my attention last night by a friend on XFIRE. These servers you can get like 4000XP in 20 minutes, would anyone consider that cheating?

Yes???

[GeneralPatton]

Re: Let Everyone Know; I am a "Hack"

IMO, most of it is fine...but the one thing I have a problem with (and this is more IW/Treyarch's fault for allowing it), is that when you turn off enough of those visual options, some objects in the game will disappear and you can see people hiding behind them (eg. bales of hay in Overgrown in COD4).

Turning off decals and bullet holes is one thing, or making textures more crappy to save fps, but actually having large-ish objects disappear/become transparent is just dumb. I know some people using the yitch config know about this, but I'm sure others are just using it because they found the link, and have no idea of that advantage they're getting.

Again, I put this one on IW for allowing it in the engine, and Treyarch for not fixing it/locking it out.

Yeah, that is what I was referring to. Now, I have never seen it in action, but people who have used it flaunted that "objects disappear at a distance and you can see people hide behind them". I thought that was a bit iffy but people say that config helped them go from like 80FPS to a constant 250FPS.

I know you may have felt 'shafted' about your day 1 advantage, but tell me this, is it right then to steal other weapons b/c you didn't get your one? You know the rebate the govt sent out to people? I was supposed to get $600, but b/c of a minor technicality, they disqualified me when I should have gotten it. Does that give me the right then to go steal $6500 from a bank or not pay my taxes this coming year?

Also, nobody forced Patton to make this post. Why do you think he made it? I believe, in his gut, he knew that what he was doing was wrong and it got to him. He didn't want to do being doing something bad, so he made this post in hopes that his actions would be justified and people would say, "Nah, you're fine man." And then he could let his guilt slip away.

No hard feelings btw Patton. :)

This thread was made just to get the general consensus from the public, exactly. With that being said, I am at Level 42 now with my newest account and enjoying the game much more. Prestige 10 was just silly and I doubt anybody will see a legit Prestige 10 for quite some more months.

And yes, I feel you are entitled to go rob a bank of some money due to that situation .. j/k, sadly.

No hard feelings taken. :salute:

Patton should have said a thing, then peoples high morals wouldn't have come into question. Patton submitting to the pressure and naming people he played with was also low brow on his part. I think if you don't have the balls to finish a fight you shouldn't start one. This brings a lot of aspects of the game and of the individual into question. I'm a firm believe in that anything that you have that gives you an edge, be it more expensive hardware or config tweaks, is an unfair advantage, not the excuse just because you can. That being said and how this has been possible since the good old days of Unreal and Q3A, there is nothing that I can do about it. Hacking to unlock rank and weapons on the other hand, doesn't give them that uber edge, but it does take away from the replayability of the game since the player doesn't have a reason to play those 25-50 hours to unlock everything and can get quickly bored. You see where I'm going here that this crap isn't about unfair advantages, but rather money. Now if the company were to say give you something back, like say STAT SERVERS so I don't have to **** around with my computer or download spyware to bw able to get my stats on another computer or put inplace some kind of system that it won't wipe my stats if I BSOD, like say back ups. Then I would feel worst about hacking stats...maybe.

Yes, others noticed he named other people, you said you read through the thread twice, others pointed that out.

Also, I don't believe the silly little names were necessary, but apparently you were in /rant mode. Technically not cuss words, so thank you for following those rules. Were you one of the people he named or something?

The names are there for a reason. All of them (Besides one), are in my clan and this clan I founded back in May of 2000 and ran it since.

The first thread was meant really for the eyes of BFE Players (Since all my clanmates participate in BFE) and at the time I wrote it, I didn't have any thought of posting it in the general discussion on the TotalCOD forum.

However, I knew that some BFE players wouldn't be able to go half of a page before getting completely immature, and I was right and with that, I had copy pasted it in here without editing it. I could've edited it, and really should've edited to fit the situation here instead of BFE, but at the time I didn't see a problem.

I am happy to say a few of us decided to start over again, and I am still working on the others. They are hell bent on leaving it because they just go to like 2 different servers, so if they do decide to keep it, oh well. I did the right thing, and that's all there is to that.

Feel free to continue the discussion further or just lock it, doesn't matter to me. I feel so far, we are still in a rather professional demeanor so :thumbsup:

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I shall ask another question pertaining to "Right and Wrong"..
PowerLevel Servers were brought to my attention last night by a friend on XFIRE. These servers you can get like 4000XP in 20 minutes, would anyone consider that cheating?

[JoMaMaz]

Re: Let Everyone Know; I am a "Hack"

Thank you, I appreciate it.

Yes, the grey area is defintely there for many things. Granted, we all know aimbots, wall hacks and such are illegal. The way I somewhat determine what is 'legal' as far as tweaks go, is what the competitive gaming leagues of the community allow. Usually CAL, TWL, and other leagues allow certain things and others are off the list. The leagues generally agree about what you can and can't do. I know when I was in CAL before, they allowed the editing of your config through the console for things such as maxpackets, snaps, and those small things. They give you a little better server registration, sometimes better fps.

This type of thing with the weapons, though we almost all agree was wrong, doesn't exactly affect competitive play, only pub play. But for some, they never play competitively and they'd like to play a fair game in public for sure. I see your point. Online gameplay for any game is nuts as with server customization and such, no server is alike as it is, but we'd still all like an even playing field, well, minus skills as some people never move beyond nubs. :p

Re: Let Everyone Know; I am a "Hack"

Alright, rant mode it was, but I'll stick by my opinions. Taking mediocre stands on modified content (modified for personal gain, advantage, the like) widens the gray area for server admins and ultimately damages the community, IMO.

[JoMaMaz]

Re: Let Everyone Know; I am a "Hack"

lol. I believe in freedom of speech, so long as it does not get anymore out of hand, things can continue to be discussed. However, to attack one's character as was done is a logical fallacy. So let's please try to focus on the particular subject and not the person. Yes, I realize the border is very thin due to the fact that it involved a person doing something, but discussing the idea of what is hacking/glitching etc may be beneficial to others.

Thank you.

[CptainCrunch]

Re: Let Everyone Know; I am a "Hack"

:locked:

Crunch

[JoMaMaz]

Re: Let Everyone Know; I am a "Hack"

Yes, others noticed he named other people, you said you read through the thread twice, others pointed that out.

Also, I don't believe the silly little names were necessary, but apparently you were in /rant mode. Technically not cuss words, so thank you for following those rules. Were you one of the people he named or something?

Re: Let Everyone Know; I am a "Hack"

I've read through this entire discussion twice to see if I've actually missed anything. Apparently I have not. Now that I have done my homework, I have three things to say:

1. Read your license agreement. Precede the following with 'Thou shall not...'

"Hack or modify (or attempt to modify or hack) the Program, or create, develop, modify, distribute or use any software programs, in order to gain (or allow others to gain) advantage of this Program in an on-line multiplayer game settings including but not limited to local area network or any other network play or on the internet."

Take this for what it is worth, but Activision considers the license agreement just that. An agreement.

Personally, I think artificially sweetened game play for personal gain is BS. No matter how it's done.

2. The idea of compromise is BS. Admins that run honest servers for decent people to enjoy without being hassled by douchebags often times do so with their own money. Call it community service. And any and all modified content is done so for the public domain, in the public domain. That means if you log on to one of our servers and we have a mod running, you get to enjoy that mod too, through conventional means.

Bottom line is when a moderator for a popular gaming forum takes a limp-wristed panty-waisted fluff girl position against those who modify gaming profiles, edit content or otherwise manipulate game architecture for personal gain, well that guy just made my job more difficult and that much less enjoyable. So to that guy I say go f*ck your hand. Falls right in line with the old joke: All Nazis will be shot; Nazi sympathizers will be shot twice.

3. Oddly enough, that brings me to my third point. Was I the only one to notice the author of this thread for reasons I do not clearly understand totally ratted out several of his clan mates by name? Nice loyalty meat whistle. You get the 'Have some cheese [rat]' award. Fink. Stoolie. Backstabber.

Special place in hell for cowards and traitors. You can't handle being name called a bit without rolling over on your friends, I'm glad you're not in my foxhole. Screw you twice. Once for rolling over on your friends (regardless of cause or need). Once for modifying your game files for personal gain.

[RangerXML]

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Patton should have said a thing, then peoples high morals wouldn't have come into question. Patton submitting to the pressure and naming people he played with was also low brow on his part. I think if you don't have the balls to finish a fight you shouldn't start one. This brings a lot of aspects of the game and of the individual into question. I'm a firm believe in that anything that you have that gives you an edge, be it more expensive hardware or config tweaks, is an unfair advantage, not the excuse just because you can. That being said and how this has been possible since the good old days of Unreal and Q3A, there is nothing that I can do about it. Hacking to unlock rank and weapons on the other hand, doesn't give them that uber edge, but it does take away from the replayability of the game since the player doesn't have a reason to play those 25-50 hours to unlock everything and can get quickly bored. You see where I'm going here that this crap isn't about unfair advantages, but rather money. Now if the company were to say give you something back, like say STAT SERVERS so I don't have to **** around with my computer or download spyware to bw able to get my stats on another computer or put inplace some kind of system that it won't wipe my stats if I BSOD, like say back ups. Then I would feel worst about hacking stats...maybe.

[imported_Whiskey]

Re: Let Everyone Know; I am a "Hack"

Completely different subject, but on the lines of "What is Considered Hacking", what do you guys think of the Yitch Config?

IMO, most of it is fine...but the one thing I have a problem with (and this is more IW/Treyarch's fault for allowing it), is that when you turn off enough of those visual options, some objects in the game will disappear and you can see people hiding behind them (eg. bales of hay in Overgrown in COD4).

Turning off decals and bullet holes is one thing, or making textures more crappy to save fps, but actually having large-ish objects disappear/become transparent is just dumb. I know some people using the yitch config know about this, but I'm sure others are just using it because they found the link, and have no idea of that advantage they're getting.

Again, I put this one on IW for allowing it in the engine, and Treyarch for not fixing it/locking it out.

[JoMaMaz]

Re: Let Everyone Know; I am a "Hack"

Console commands for your config are not illegal and are not the same as what Patton did.

First, you can edit your config through your console in game. Can you in game instantly be at the highest rank with all the weapons? Editing your config for performance is the same as changing your diff gfx settings. I wish they promoted the few changes you could make to get better performance as they're quite easy, but they can be found anywhere on the net, the simple ones that help.

What about binds? Binds that say "My name is JoMaMaz" "My name is JoMaMaz" etc etc are annoying, but fine. When there are binds that give the extra advantage i.e. in MoHAA where people bound their lean keys to their movement keys where they were at least leaning one way when moving is not right. However, I would shoot them with my sniper rifle in their balls and had no probs.

I know you may have felt 'shafted' about your day 1 advantage, but tell me this, is it right then to steal other weapons b/c you didn't get your one? You know the rebate the govt sent out to people? I was supposed to get $600, but b/c of a minor technicality, they disqualified me when I should have gotten it. Does that give me the right then to go steal $6500 from a bank or not pay my taxes this coming year?

Also, nobody forced Patton to make this post. Why do you think he made it? I believe, in his gut, he knew that what he was doing was wrong and it got to him. He didn't want to do being doing something bad, so he made this post in hopes that his actions would be justified and people would say, "Nah, you're fine man." And then he could let his guilt slip away.

No hard feelings btw Patton. :)

[GeneralPatton]

Re: Let Everyone Know; I am a "Hack"

Completely different subject, but on the lines of "What is Considered Hacking", what do you guys think of the Yitch Config?

Re: Let Everyone Know; I am a "Hack"

and interesting discussion is, if I edit my max FPS and maxpackets

/set cl_maxpacket X
/set com_maxFPS X

I am actually editing my config. You could say I am hacking. You can change the number of corpses you see in MP on the ground - do you see bullet holes.

All of these things give me an advantage - but am I hacking the game? Is this cheating?

I am not sure how doing that would give you an advantage but I agree with Zuke on this, if what he is stating is correct and those are indeed console commands, then you did nothing wrong....:salute: