Joystick or mouse and keyboard

[Chris_Redfield]

Gaaah... Why do you think i said it? Take a look:

I would buy it, but your arguments have been the same since you first jumped into a thread like this. As a matter of fact, your very first argument to support your case was "joysticks are a waste of time". So no. You werent just trolling. Its truly indeed is the peak of your abilities.

Originally Posted by Chris_Redfield

purely statistically, most of the better group of the pilots flies a stick and theres a reason to it. Or reasons.

Originally Posted by [SSM] k0daK
You say that 99% of better pilots use joysticks, well, that may be true. But, the 1% of people who are JUST as good with a keyboard/mouse PROVE that they are infact equal with the right practice!

Sure. Here are a few examples.

FlyJetAndKill who flies a M&KB had about 300 hours of flight time before he released his first video. He started out when every pilots trick in the book was released to the masses, long after "DogfighteR" was released. And he is good. But those 300 (I think its 600 today, at least) were gathered in a high intensity training/gaming with a messload of 1 vs 1 fights. And today, he has still not beaten Rabbit.

One of the people I used to play with a long time ago, has been playing throughout the time I was away from BF2, and a month ago, when I played a few weeks of BF2 Demo with him, I had a dogfight with him, Im rusty as hell and anyone can beat me, and he still cant take me out 1 vs 1, he flies KBonly. And he plays more than 2-3 hours a day, almost always in air.

So in conclusion, no. If you bring an example of a highly trained and experienced pilot in order to win an argument, you need to pit him against a similarily trained pilot. Purely statistically, two pilots of similar skillset, the JS pilot wins. This is a fact which a lot of very experienced pilots can attest to.

If you believe that we want to say that a JS automatically makes you great (like a lot of idiots actually believe these days), then youre also wrong. Skillset and intensity of training and gathering new means/methods/tricks is more important, but in the end... Pit two similar pilots together, and peripheral devices speak. Hence why a lot of us are saying- "Joysticks are better than MKB/KBonly".

I can list all the pros and cons for all peripheral devices, can you?

[Shask]

Oh and btw, where the f*ck did i say that KB&M is better a that a stick?

Sure.

Joystick offers no advantage whatsoever so dont waste money on them. Be a man and fly with KB&M

Seriously.. lol ? That backfired, didn't it?

Anyway, have you changed your mind now?

Tso, in all honesty, you are being far more useless in this thread than Waah, as the only thing you have managed to do is bash him.

Meh, take a look at the first page. Nobody was arguing, nobody was fvcking around. Then Waah showed up with his obnoxious, childish comments and people got annoyed. Seriously. Take a look at the first page.

You must have serious issues if you took the time to quote every single post he made.

It took me ~10 seconds. So anyone who spends ~10 seconds doing stuff on TGN has "serious issues", according to you. Oops! You just insulted the entire forum, including yourself.

[waaah_wah]

Sure.



Seriously.. lol ? That backfired, didn't it?

Anyway, have you changed your mind now?

Again, where have i said that KB&M is better than a stick?

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[Shask]

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Oh my word. Read my last post.

[waaah_wah]

I think you should read mine...

I would buy it, but your arguments have been the same since you first jumped into a thread like this. As a matter of fact, your very first argument to support your case was "joysticks are a waste of time". So no. You werent just trolling. Its truly indeed is the peak of your abilities.


Im sure you knew what i was doing better than myself


Sure. Here are a few examples.

FlyJetAndKill who flies a M&KB had about 300 hours of flight time before he released his first video. He started out when every pilots trick in the book was released to the masses, long after "DogfighteR" was released. And he is good. But those 300 (I think its 600 today, at least) were gathered in a high intensity training/gaming with a messload of 1 vs 1 fights. And today, he has still not beaten Rabbit.

Yes, but is that coz Rabbit is simply better than him or is it coz hes using a stick?

One of the people I used to play with a long time ago, has been playing throughout the time I was away from BF2, and a month ago, when I played a few weeks of BF2 Demo with him, I had a dogfight with him, Im rusty as hell and anyone can beat me, and he still cant take me out 1 vs 1, he flies KBonly. And he plays more than 2-3 hours a day, almost always in air.

Just coz you play alot doesnt mean that your better

So in conclusion, no. If you bring an example of a highly trained and experienced pilot in order to win an argument, you need to pit him against a similarily trained pilot. Purely statistically, two pilots of similar skillset, the JS pilot wins. This is a fact which a lot of very experienced pilots can attest to.

Yet again, does he win coz he is using a stick, or does he win because he is better? Since there is no way to measure skill, you cant really say: those two have the same skill set.

If you believe that we want to say that a JS automatically makes you great (like a lot of idiots actually believe these days), then youre also wrong.

Tsovehr isnt that far from saying just that... But yeah i know that you dont think that a stick will make you good:)

Skillset and intensity of training and gathering new means/methods/tricks is more important,

Thats pretty much what i've been saying all the time.

but in the end... Pit two similar pilots together, and peripheral devices speak. Hence why a lot of us are saying- "Joysticks are better than MKB/KBonly".

Might be true at the higher level when you need every advantage you can get, but you dont really need that for pub play, and thats where 95% of us are playing.

I can list all the pros and cons for all peripheral devices, can you?

Not really. But i do know that everything you can do with a stick, you can also do with a mouse & keyboard

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[DontKnockIt225]

lol wahaaa just cause 95% of people do something that doesnt mean its correct. It more than likely means theres a better way of doing it.


does every good pilot config joystick to use the freeview mode inside jet?

[Chris_Redfield]

I can list all the pros and cons for all peripheral devices, can you?

Not really. But i do know that everything you can do with a stick, you can also do with a mouse & keyboard

Thank you for admitting that you dont have a clue what your talking about. All of your posts have been rendered nill.



A series of scissor maneuvers into vector roll, which peripheral device will complete the series the fastest?

Which peripheral device has the fastest control response time?

Which peripheral device has the largest ammount of quickly accessible keys set up in the most comfortable position?

What are the advantages a mouse has over a joystick?

Which peripheral device offers the most precise control over the aircraft?

What are the advantages of a gamepad over a joystick?

What peripheral device enables you to have the most keys accessible under just one of your fingers?

Which peripheral device hinders the accuracy of the MG the most?

How many pilots do you know that have switched to MKB from a considerable time of JS use in BF2?

How many vice versa?

How many hours of flight do you have with a JS in BF2?

These are all rhetorical questions, by the way.

And once again, a theoretical situation. A pilot with a stick and a pilot with MKB, both similar in skill. Who wins? We have "close score" and "draw" as valid words. Having had more dogfights than you TKs, I can assure you that I indeed can adequately pit two pilots together after having just a few games with them. I have the experience to measure skillset, you dont. Dont pretend you do. Youve only got <100 hours in air and a 5:1 KDR to back it up. Youre not in the position to even speak on the subject.

does every good pilot config joystick to use the freeview mode inside jet?

As a matter of fact I am one of the few and the proud. The idea wasnt originally mine and I found the lines of code in 2005. However, I have never seen anyone mention it in these forums, which means vast majority of JS pilots have no clue that you can map JS controls as mouselook. Some know about JTK and even fewer know about controls.con file settings.

[aimex64]

you guys are getting too worked up =]

[Shask]

you guys are getting too worked up =]

Not really they're all just debating

Did you buy a joystick aimex? Hopefully yes, you'd regret wasting your time with Keyboard/Mouse :shakehead

[Furrything22]

I have a throttle/joystick kit,
but I use keyboard/joystick, in all flying vehicles, more maneuverability, more buttons, and it makes me feel better to be using a joystick.

[DontKnockIt225]

As a matter of fact I am one of the few and the proud. The idea wasnt originally mine and I found the lines of code in 2005. However, I have never seen anyone mention it in these forums, which means vast majority of JS pilots have no clue that you can map JS controls as mouselook. Some know about JTK and even fewer know about controls.con file settings.

If so few know how to use this, wouldnt it give a big edge to mouse and keyboard users? Although i have only seen flyjetandkill use this method.
But looking at your argument i assume it doesnt make much of a difference.

[12:oc7ock]

Joysticks are for

[Chris_Redfield]

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Types of people who dont have joysticks.

[a_hamburger]

I own a joystick, but I don't use it in Battlefield. I gets bothersome when it comes to infantry and ground vehicles to me. I guess that's what happens when you get used to something.

I think I would end up paying that bum just for making a witty sign.

[12:oc7ock]

Umm Chris, maybe it's just me, but the last pics pretty much don't do much justice for the Happy Happy Joy Joystickers. And the first one I think I saw back when I was using windows 3.1. Also, I'm not trying to say I own players with Joysticks; more often than not I'll lose to them but I think that $hit is for Flight Sim-x not an FPS where u can get everything done and then some in a jet with the M&KB. Doesn't mattter cause as long as They don't hold an advantage on the ground or in helos I could care less about the jets.