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  • System
    Member
    • Jun 2006
    • 1091

    #1

    What do you think?

    I'd just like to say that this is a really great game, much like bf2 was when I was hooked on it for the first year or so. But the more I play the more problems I am beginning to see in the game, some minor announances and other things that I find as a big problem. So lets see if you agree or disagree with my points here, I will list bullet point first and then you may choose to scroll down for a detailled reason.

    A) Support Weapons (LMG)

    B) Fixed MG

    C) Bunny Hopping

    D) Prone/Crouch Fire Delay

    E) Martydom


    F) Helicopters

    G) Spawns

    H) Guns Floating


    A) Support Weapons (LMG)

    Coming from BF2 I am use to being forced to have to shoot in controlled bursts to keep the gun from over heating which also increased you're over all accuracy with the weapon. However, I've noticed in COD4 that this is hardly the case, the exact opposite in fact. I think that this was a good feature in BF2 that should be considered in this game for all support weapons.

    Typical example: Someone on the side of one wall using bullet penetration or guarding a hallway door just spamming bullets constantly. The only time they stop is when they have to reload or they run out of ammo.

    B) Fix MG

    Fixed MG's really need to be cut back on there power. They should have an over heating feature on them so people don't spray and pray on In fact, they don't even need to pray considering that these guns seem to have splash damage. Perhaps the gun should also need to be reloaded occassionly, to hopefully cut down on this bullet spam.

    Typical example: Maps like Downpour and Backlot, especially Downpour are mostly controlled by the two fixed MGs. Backlot is somewhat bad but unlike Downpour, there are more blindspots on these emplacements allowing people to actually kill the people who sit there all game.

    C) Bunny Hopping

    In the beginning I didn't see anyone bunny hopping which was great. Now when I play I am constantly seeing it. If they want to jump like retards, there should be serious consequences to it, perhaps not being able to shoot like in BF2. This game represents a bunny hoppers dream, at least EA got something right in BF2 on not shooting while in the air. If shooting while in the air is to stay, then at least consider decreasing the accuracy of the weapons while hopping around.

    Typical Example: Sneaking up or moving in, surprise the enemy who turns around and just jumps around and shoots you down. Or they are over confident and just run headfirst into the action jumping and shooting.

    D) Prone/Crouch Fire Delay

    Another thing EA got right was a fire delay while switching between standing, crouch and prone. I never realised how much of a difference this made in BF2 untill I played COD4 - people jumping then swithcing to prone - tieing into the bunny hoppers parade.

    Typical Example: Shooting someone who just keeps shooting while switching to prone from standing. Or the bunny hopper who jumps around and prones while shooting.

    E) Martydom

    Personally I say take this feature out of the game, its so dumb. All this promotes is running into a group of ppl like an idiot after spamming nades everywhere.

    However, I know that will probably not happen so I was thinking last night that people who are level 55 should no longer get to use martydom. My reasoning is that there is no point for them to use it anymore at this stage in the game. They no longer need the XP from the free kill(s).

    F) Helicopters

    I thought this was a very cool feature in COD4 initially but as time went on I only got more annoyed with it than appreciating it. I say take it out of the game, or at least make it a lot less accurate. Another thought is to increase the kill streak you need to get it, or limit its use per person per game (example would be max 2 times per person and the kill streak required should be 10 or 15 even) Another thought is that if someone is getting so many kill streaks, how about a progressively harder kill streak to obtain the helicoputer support or airstrike. (example would be you get first helicopter 7 kill streak, the next one will require 10, and the following 15.)

    G) Spawns

    I'm not the only one who has had this happen to me, I spawn right in front of the enemy or I spawn on top of a grenade about to explode or I spawn in the middle of an air strike. Another Bad spawn is the beginning of The Bog, people use the grenade launcher to kill a good portion of the enemy team the moment the game starts. Yes, that was impressive but I doubt that was an intended use in the first few seconds of a round across the map.

    Another bad thing is moving in on the enemy, I sometimes find myself in the middle of a spawn fest. Some people declare this as camping but we all know that cod4 spawns are random away from the majority of the enemy team.

    Now my solution to this issue is simple, there should be a few seconds where enemy fire cannot kill you the moment you spawn. Again, coming from BF2 I noticed that there is a second or so where you can shoot the enemy the moment they spawn but they will not be damaged. Another thing is they also got to choose where they could spawn (being on the flags that are currently held). If COD4 could implement sections on the map where the player chooses to spawn, it may also cut back on camping spawns or intantly dieing the moment you spawn.

    H) Guns Floating

    I don't really mind it but it is always weird seeing an AK47 on a wall as if it was a fixed MG. Not really a concern but an area to look into.

    Conclusion

    I seriously think that these areas need to be looked at, there aim is to improve the over all gameplay and quality online. BF2 IO mode has its issues too, but they also had good features in it to help maintain a fun experience to all players. Though I do doubt that these will be taken seriously by a lone player, but perhaps a community of players can agree to this issues and solutions.

    Opinions and thoughts are welcomed,
  • Vash2051

    #2
    Lots of BF2 relations but some good points for sure. You should consider just going to BF2 : )

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    • FPS[SONIC]
      Member
      • Oct 2006
      • 2106

      #3
      I think that I like the game as it is. And, I've also returned to playing BF2 every day, so that's not it.

      I like CoD4 the way it is. Sure, we could adjust a few things here and there, and I have on the modded server I help run. But, I will resist changes being made to the core game after seeing that hurt BF2.

      If you don't care for certain aspects of the game, play a modded server. Once you get to lvl55, there is no reason for playing ranked games anyways.

      In AWE4, you can enable anti-bunnyhopping, anti-divebombing and anti-jumpshooting. You can change the requirements for UAV/Strike/Helo or eliminate all together. You can selectively enable UAV, minimap, red blips, perks, weapons and equipment. There are a ton more customizations you can do, too. You can enable spawn protection and disble dropping weapons just as you've asked...

      This is where you'd find some peace of mind.

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      • CptainCrunch
        I am the 1%
        • Oct 2007
        • 12976

        #4
        No way on the weapons/perks. All your complaints with those and "fixes" are to nerf them down.

        Dont get me wrong, you make some logical points, but as the first poster said, just play BF2.

        The spawn thing, I dont mind so much. Yes, sometimes you spawn in a bad place, BUT its harder to spawn rape you. Hated that in 1942. Yes, it can happen in this game too, but its way harder.

        As for the bunny hopping, it takes some getting used to. Its one jump, which is WAY better than the BF stuff.

        The gun float, just some weird programming because weapons drop instead of disapear.

        Anyway, Sonic had some good ideas too.

        Crunch
        Twitter: @CptainCrunch
        Battlelog/Origin: CptainCrunch

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        • TrudgiN
          Member
          • Jul 2007
          • 705

          #5
          I can bunny if i want its a tactic with the shotgun and snipers :nod:

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          • CptainCrunch
            I am the 1%
            • Oct 2007
            • 12976

            #6
            Originally posted by pwnageisntgood
            I can bunny if i want its a tactic with the shotgun and snipers :nod:
            Ive seen that. Its weird seeing a sniper doing it as it really draws your attention to a bush jumping up and down behind something.

            I was in overgrown the other day and I was stalking this one sniper by the rock pile by the barn. He saw me, so I dove into the grass. He started hopping and shooting behind the rocks and to try to spot me. I put my sites right above the spot and when he hopped up, shot him in the chest.

            It was a very strange site to see and others were laughing about it because it just drew everyone to him. People do it though.

            Crunch
            Twitter: @CptainCrunch
            Battlelog/Origin: CptainCrunch

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            • TrudgiN
              Member
              • Jul 2007
              • 705

              #7
              Originally posted by CptainCrunch
              Ive seen that. Its weird seeing a sniper doing it as it really draws your attention to a bush jumping up and down behind something.

              I was in overgrown the other day and I was stalking this one sniper by the rock pile by the barn. He saw me, so I dove into the grass. He started hopping and shooting behind the rocks and to try to spot me. I put my sites right above the spot and when he hopped up, shot him in the chest.

              It was a very strange site to see and others were laughing about it because it just drew everyone to him. People do it though.

              Crunch
              No i mean standing in a door way , Shoot a shot then quickly jump left or right behind cover

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              • iQue
                Member
                • May 2007
                • 4925

                #8
                I completely agree with everything System said infact.

                Although I love CoD4 sometimes it's just a pain in the butt on other occasions. For me at least

                Can't wait for BF3.

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                • [7IR]581|Pvt.Md2a

                  #9
                  A) Support Weapons (LMG)
                  Yeah, an overheat or accuracy loss is needed.

                  B) Fixed MG
                  Haven't noticed it being a problem, I just sneak up on them or take them out from a distance.

                  C) Bunny Hopping
                  Never happened to me..

                  D) Prone/Crouch Fire Delay
                  I've never had this happen, apart from people crouching immediately, but I do that too. Too much time playign 2142 I guess...

                  E) Martydom
                  Should only be able to be used if you have a grenade left.

                  F) Helicopters
                  These are ridiculous. Add three kills onto each requirement, and that should be okay. And they need to lose the friggin full auto sniper rifle.

                  G) Spawns
                  I've only really noticed this being a problem on 40-50 player HC servers...

                  H) Guns Floating
                  This is a weird bug.. Doesnt really bother me though. Except when I'm shooting at a body-less sniper rifle sticking out of a door/window...

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                  • Keyelite
                    Member
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 1043

                    #10
                    A) Interesting, but I think the problem is the grips, not the weapons.

                    B) These are removed in some competition leagues, for that reason. Luckily the maps that have the MG's are in bad spots, or I don't play them.

                    C) Honestly, you will find it in every single game you will ever play for the rest of your life. Even in an RTS, somehow. People will try to stay alive any way they can. If an enemy is behind me and is shooting me, I will jump up and turn around. It's much better then getting prone blocked, and much more dramatic than crouching (as your cross hairs will then be on my head). Luckily for COD4, body shots are almost as lethal as head shots so bunny hopping in this game is NOTHING like the battlefield series, where people will hop just for the hell of it.

                    D) When you go from standing to prone, or crouch to prone, or even jump to prone-- your gun resets to hip-mode, even if you are zoomed in. You loose accuracy when you crouch/prone. I'm assuming people do this to evade bullets, as with bunny hopping. Luckily, its harder to do it in COD4 as bullets are much more lethal.

                    E) Should only be able to be used if you have a grenade left.

                    F) Interesting concept, especially for smaller servers. But if you play in a decent server, there will be at least 5 machine gunners just tearing apart the chopper within 10 seconds. Even if half your team shoots at the chopper, it will go down. Teams just need to learn to shoot at the choppers instead of run away (one person shooting will not cut it).

                    G) VERY bad idea. I've played with spawn protection on in some servers, its extremely annoying to be wasting your clip at someone running around, only for him to have protection on. You think he has been spawned for awhile if you do not see him physically spawn, so its very deceiving. Hell, you might even think your game is broken.

                    H) I've seen that before, ah well. Not the biggest bug to be concerned of, but something to look into for sure.

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                    • System
                      Member
                      • Jun 2006
                      • 1091

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Vash2051
                      Lots of BF2 relations but some good points for sure. You should consider just going to BF2 : )
                      Yeah thinking about it but things arn't much better there from what I remember half a year ago.

                      Originally posted by SonicPixel
                      I think that I like the game as it is. And, I've also returned to playing BF2 every day, so that's not it.

                      I like CoD4 the way it is. Sure, we could adjust a few things here and there, and I have on the modded server I help run. But, I will resist changes being made to the core game after seeing that hurt BF2.

                      If you don't care for certain aspects of the game, play a modded server. Once you get to lvl55, there is no reason for playing ranked games anyways.

                      In AWE4, you can enable anti-bunnyhopping, anti-divebombing and anti-jumpshooting. You can change the requirements for UAV/Strike/Helo or eliminate all together. You can selectively enable UAV, minimap, red blips, perks, weapons and equipment. There are a ton more customizations you can do, too. You can enable spawn protection and disble dropping weapons just as you've asked...

                      This is where you'd find some peace of mind.
                      True, maybe I should look into playing mods. COD4 seems to promote more mod playing than bf2, as it has a spot on the main menu. Maybe I'll look into this =)

                      Originally posted by CptainCrunch
                      No way on the weapons/perks. All your complaints with those and "fixes" are to nerf them down.

                      Dont get me wrong, you make some logical points, but as the first poster said, just play BF2.

                      The spawn thing, I dont mind so much. Yes, sometimes you spawn in a bad place, BUT its harder to spawn rape you. Hated that in 1942. Yes, it can happen in this game too, but its way harder.

                      As for the bunny hopping, it takes some getting used to. Its one jump, which is WAY better than the BF stuff.

                      The gun float, just some weird programming because weapons drop instead of disapear.

                      Anyway, Sonic had some good ideas too.

                      Crunch
                      zzzz I was going to say something but I forgot so ya... All I'm just going to say is it wouldn't really take away from cod4 if those guns I aimed at would be nerfd down. I just get annoyed watching those guns destory everything, I rarely use assualt guns anymore because well, I don't quite see the point to anymore.

                      Originally posted by -UtC- Iquere «
                      I completely agree with everything System said infact.

                      Although I love CoD4 sometimes it's just a pain in the butt on other occasions. For me at least

                      Can't wait for BF3.
                      Yea, its still a good game. I wish bf3 was coming on the computer too, I'm never going to buy a consol lol.

                      Originally posted by Keyelite

                      D) When you go from standing to prone, or crouch to prone, or even jump to prone-- your gun resets to hip-mode, even if you are zoomed in. You loose accuracy when you crouch/prone. I'm assuming people do this to evade bullets, as with bunny hopping. Luckily, its harder to do it in COD4 as bullets are much more lethal.

                      G) VERY bad idea. I've played with spawn protection on in some servers, its extremely annoying to be wasting your clip at someone running around, only for him to have protection on. You think he has been spawned for awhile if you do not see him physically spawn, so its very deceiving. Hell, you might even think your game is broken.
                      D) I was more or less talking about the fact that you can be shooting constantly while switching between these positions, even jumping too (duh). In BF2 you stop firing to switch between positions.

                      And when you think about it, if you hold a stick or something and repeat going through those positions you naturally tilt it down sometimes (like going from prone to standing). Not trying to be a nerd about it, but even the aimer being in the chest area with out more deviation is still well, very accurate I think - especially when someone is constantly shooting.

                      G) Yea I can see that being a problem, it was just a thought for a second or two though or something cool for thought - explosive/heli shield for a few seconds incase you do spawn in the middle of one of those and you are clearly fkd lol.

                      I just really would like to choose a general area that I can spawn in instead of the total random spawn system. Then that way I can at least say it was my fualt and not get frustrated having to respawn again right after spawn (more so on delay respawns servers).




                      Over all thanks for all of your opinions and thoughts, nice to see what others think too.

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                      • iQue
                        Member
                        • May 2007
                        • 4925

                        #12
                        Originally posted by System
                        I just really would like to choose a general area that I can spawn in instead of the total random spawn system. Then that way I can at least say it was my fualt and not get frustrated having to respawn again right after spawn (more so on delay respawns servers).

                        Could mean that everyone would spawn in at the enemy's location for easy kills. If implemented right it could be a great feature.

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                        • L3adcannon

                          #13
                          The only real game-stopper for me in certain maps is the fixed MG. I know you can always flank it and avoid it but the constant fireing sound just annoys the **** out of me. I can`t stand it.

                          Which reminds me another annoying *** thing about the game, the tracers. Be it from a SMG or a MG, tracers in this game piss me off. They look like sh*t and the fact that you get em from pistols is kinda retarded.

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                          • Vasquez

                            #14
                            Nice post.

                            Not many of those overly bother me with the exception that I agree 100% with the chopper. There's nothing worse than struggling on a particular team; and then to top it off, the opposition who are doing just that bit more killing, sends chopper after chopper. I know you can shoot them down, but whilst you're doing that, the other team are taking pops at you!

                            So yeah:

                            * More kill streak to get it.

                            * Each player gets to bring it in once per round (this would prevent a player getting chopper, then the chopper kills bag him another chopper).

                            Or something.

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                            • =)BiT(=AutoFodder

                              #15
                              I really don't understand how the choppers as they are made it into the finished version of the game.

                              They are the absolute most retarded thing I have ever seen in an FPS. There is almost literally nothing you can do to prevent them from killing you ( I know you can take them down, but if you are it's "chosen one" I'd like to see you bring it down in the 0.5 seconds between it locking onto and insta-killing you).

                              It would have been ingenious to have put you in the cockpit. Just hide in a quiet spot, press your air support button and see through the eyes of the gunner (whilst still being vulnerable on the ground). You wouldn't fly the thing of course, just man the gun.

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