Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

[Sloi sauce]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

sp is one thing,its good to learn pilot skills,but becoming a expert tv on sp is a joke,the bots are thick and only offer a basic challenge,not to mention there stupid flight path.

I'll tell you the same thing I told a friend of mine: TV the SP choppers from different angles, heights and everything in between. Sure, it's more predictable, but you'd be surprised how many people don't think of doing what I'm recommending and just hit them from the same stupid positions. You're obviously not going to learn anything new by doing the same thing in the same manner...

Once you can confidently hit them from all heights/angles/positions, then you're ready to start whoring up on multiplayer.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

i actually said i have put the hours in on lan with a friend well over 50.

I was adressing you and then speaking kind of generally. :)

im not saying im a expert gunner,i can fly the chopper very well,in fact when playing lan,i often idle the throttle on 34% and the chopper will just sit in midair perfectly still,well i go make a tea.

Dont use joysticks throttle for chopper, use WASD keys. Let go of the W and the chopper will hover perfectly still.

sp is one thing,its good to learn pilot skills,but becoming a expert tv on sp is a joke,the bots are thick and only offer a basic challenge,not to mention there stupid flight path.
it's the same as practicing infantry skills on sp,very easy but nothing compared to playing online.

TVing in SP gives you an experience package of knowing how the TV missile operates. If you have the basics, can hit anything in SP, you are fit to go to online play where you get better and better while being useful from the get go.

As for infantry play, set bots to maximum skill level, modify .con files to add even more, if you desire, and play with a pump action shotgun. Increase in skill level is quaranteed 100%. Mainly because it forces you to play in a completely different manner, far surpassing the general play style of online play against people.

[Gun slinger]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

Why the hell beat a dead horse?

ITS FUN!!!!!!


oh btw, I had another bad experience with a noob pilot a little while ago, would NOT turn towards enemy chopper, would NOT pay attention to mini map, would NOT listen AT ALL....total duche bag, we die without netting any kills.

so I let him go with someone else and he gets killed immediately, well I get the chopper next time and get a noob for a gunner, I asked him several times "can you TV?" he wouldnt answer the first 4-5 times then he replied "yeah idiot just go" so I take off encounter a cobra coming toward the airfield, the cobra doesnt even see us so I stay back to give him room, steady as a rock, he decides to machine gun the chopper which does basically nothing except draw their attention and next thing I know we are lined up directly in front of each other firing hydras and the idiot STILL wouldnt fire the TV missile........I mean you couldnt have asked for a better shot for the tv all he had to do was fire and never click again but he was a total fug nut and we died. Next time I told him to GTFO and he wouldnt so I redlined him and I never got killed again going 58-2

SOLOING FTW!!!!!!!

I try to give people a chance but Im about tired of having a k:d ratio of 2 with a noob pilot or gunner, Im thru with co-pilots unless I know them.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

But Gunslingur Oh Noes! Iz A Team Vehucle! No Whore Alonez!

[AnotherEd]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

I liked Signas approach the other night, Sig was soloing and I was in the jet, when one of the rare times he was killed, a noob jumped in the cobra and Signa refused to get in LOL I spawn on the carrier to see this guy sitting in the cobra beside Sig, hes in the gunner seat repeating "Get In" "Get In" I had to laugh when Sig typed in "sorry Im no taxi driver" the helo took off and needless to say it respawned rather quickly, proof that the guy was a nub. Then the guy goes on about Sig having an ego problem and thinking hes better than everyone, I found the rest of the round quite amusing LOL

You mean, Signa got his point across without TKing or redlining? :o Impossible. Just listen to chris and sloi. It's apparently the only/proper way.

My point stands stronger than ever. The anti-solo rules you all are complaining about are a direct result of all the asshat soloers ruining other people's games. So they ruin yours, and you ruin theirs. Where will this vicious cycle end? Oh don't worry, I'm sure the people that don't understand how to solo and don't understand your issue will get a clue when you TK or redline them enough and eventually apologize to all of you.

Look, I get that a sucky gunner/pilot hurts the team. I also understand why you redline and TK. It's frustrating. I GET THAT. I'm not arguing any of this, despite sloi's inability to understand that. I'm directly addressing the problem of the @sshat attitudes and the effect it's having on people that make server rules. Why does no one seem to want to understand that people that suck are human and own servers and make rules? Perhaps if some intelligent discussion spawned on this problem you might get somewhere. Stop trying to prove how much better you are to justify your negative attitude.

Can anyone get the irony of saying: "I'm not an @sshat, I just redline and TK when someone bothers me"? Seriously now. I'm swimming through the irony here.

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

I dont think anyone argues here that TKing or redlining for a vehicle is "bad". If you found irony here, you must have indeed a doubledigit IQ. Nobody has even really adressed the issue of server owners imposing anti soloing rules, people who support soloing directly adress the crowd that, in this thread, opposes soloing. TKing and redlining represents asshattery, but its a blunt, rude and optionless measure to get the game going with as little timeloss as possible. In most of the cases, if you get the chopper, theres bound to be a gunner that jumps in, in almost all of the cases, that gunner is a retard. So if I come home from school and have an hour to waste on a game, I am not going to spend that hour playing taxi, hoping that at some moment, some miracle happens that I get a good gunner or get to take off alone. And then, whoops, times up, time to close the game and start doing whatever else.

The breaking point was once a game I had where I really wanted to fly a chopper, I flew idiots around for 3 hours and swore that I would never fly a chopper unless I know the gunner, or I fly solo. And for the sake of my own peace of mind, I have upheld that promise. If I do fly, I give my gunner one chance and one chance only. Miss it, redlining is in order. You can call me an asshat, Im telling you that Ive played enough for fun of others and Im just cashing in on karma.

[CobraBall]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

I think the hypocrisy and the irony resides in the fact that some of the solo'ers here are claiming they're doing it for the benefit of everyone when in fact they're only doing it for themselves.

You can justify soloing to yourselves all you want, but in the end, you're doing it purely for yourself. Soloing for the "enjoyment of everyone" is just a byproduct of what you're doing, not your primary motivation for doing so. And that's really quite subjective anyway, as I stated earlier, I could care less whether I win the round or not, my self esteem isn't contingent upon winning a computer game. I play to have fun and to enjoy myself, and I think soloing is counter productive towards that goal.

Really, as much as people ***** on here about various things, tking, abusive admins, cheaters, hackers, etc. I think soloing ranks right up there with those behaviors. It's every bit as selfish and the game wasn't intended to be played in that fashion, especially when you get into purposely redlining and tking other players.

[waaah_wah]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

LOL, how stupid can one be. Please log in to any of the servers and count on your left hand fingers how many people apply under your terms.

Like I said, its the actions and the result that define a teamplayer, not his use of VOIP or willingness to die with his teammate.

And BigPappa, so you ****ed up other peoples play time just so you could "learn" flying? Thats awesome, what a wonderful teamplayer you are.

So a sniper that is sitting on a hill and killing ppl is a teamplayer...?

[Chris_Redfield]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

People arent really calling themselves the "uberteamworkers" per se, just stating pure, undeniable fact that a competent soloer works better than a team consisting of one inexperienced and one experienced player. Ever heard of the saying that the chain is only as strong as is its weakest link?!

People are playing for their own fun, it just happens to be that way, that soloers fun enables the team to have more fun, than a team without any proper chopper support.

As for being selfish, you cant really rank anyone more selfish than the person who expects people to cater to them, and its exactly what inexperienced copilots/pilots do. While soloers take the responsibility. And not soloers alone, experienced chopper duos all fall into that category.

So a sniper that is sitting on a hill and killing ppl is a teamplayer...?

Please try to show me the relevance of your argument, as Im thinking you are just talking for the arguments sake.

Just to amuse you, a sniper is a teamworker if he does what an infantry player does. Which is picking targets and spotting. In case the theory has slipped your mind, this game is about tickets.

[waaah_wah]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

Just to amuse you, a sniper is a teamworker if he does what an infantry player does. Which is picking targets and spotting. In case the theory has slipped your mind, this game is about tickets.

Oh no! Im so dumb! I thought that this game is about having fun.:shock::shock::shock:

And no, theres no way in hell that you can actually say that a soloer in a teamplayer. Yes he does help the team, but that doesnt make him a teamplayer.

I suggest you download PR, then you might actually discover what teamwork is. Coz in BF2 its almost non exsistant. How often do you see ppl communicating and cooperating in BF2? How often do you see a soloer or a sniper communicating with the rest of the team? If i listen to you then i would think that just killing ppl will make you a teamplayer. :shakehead:

[Verzili]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

im sure i asked this Q's before..don't recall getting a answer so ill ask again.

Q.what would solo'ers do if seat switching was not possible ??

play the game the way is was intended perhaps...nub gunners/pilots included :) ?

[waaah_wah]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

Whenever I took off with a copilot, I first took them for a spin, on their first obvious sign of lack of experience, I would redline them. If they showed basic skills or at least common sense, I would ask them for their age. If they were below 18, I would redline them.

Well, sry to be the one to tell you this but your an idiot.

[CobraBall]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

As for being selfish, you cant really rank anyone more selfish than the person who expects people to cater to them, and its exactly what inexperienced copilots/pilots do. While soloers take the responsibility. And not soloers alone, experienced chopper duos all fall into that category.

Isn't soloing essentially demanding the rest of the team cater to you? I mean you're essentially denying everyone else the right to use the chopper with you, no matter how experienced or inexperienced they are.

You've got skills, great. I don't think that gives you any more right to use the chopper than anyone else. Everyone was a n00bie and had to start somewhere. Since you've stated previously that your playing time is somewhat limited, then you can understand why someone wouldn't want to go waste their time playing single player to become a better pilot. I don't think most people take the game that seriously anyway, to put in that kind of time.

Very OT, but as long as we're talking about selfishness. Nothing bothers me more than the tools who'll jump into an attack helo and then go F2 as the gunner and then proceed to sit there and wait for someone to pilot the helo. Eff that.

[waaah_wah]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

i sure i asked this Q's before..don't recall getting a answer so ill ask again.

Q.what would solo'ers do if seat switching was not possible ??

play the game the way is was intended perhaps...nub gunners/pilots included :) ?

There should be a 30 sec engine startup like in PR to prevent soloing

[AnotherEd]

Re: Chopper soloing: a problem or an art?

I dont think anyone argues here that TKing or redlining for a vehicle is "bad". If you found irony here, you must have indeed a doubledigit IQ.

Well, perhaps you can play to my idiocy and use your condescending attitude to help me hopefully see the light which you so gloriously bathe in. I'm going to type slowly so you can hopefully understand my lower level intellect somehow.

The irony is that I see a lot of soloers complaining that people don't understand why soloing is so good. However, in that same breath the soloer admits in engaging in asshattery to achieve soloing. How can it not be clear that the associated asshat attitude directly impacts those who make the rules? I mean why else make a rule? Rules prevent asshats, correct? At least I think it's a primary motivator anyways. Perhaps my low level IQ is preventing me from understanding this more complex relationship though.

Enlighten me, please.

What I'd love to hear is other ideas and discussions about like what signa did. I think more information like that is a good direction for this to go. Unfortunately I'm not sure many around here think much differently than sloi and chris.