Flying and gunning is easy.

[Sloi sauce]

Re: Flying and gunning is easy.

It's getting up off of the ground thats hard.

Too often there are thousands of lemmings on your team all vying for the same helicopter that you want, and often times even if you do manage to get into the helicopter with one of them; they turn out to be more incompetant than a Bush family member at an enviromentalist rally.

Solo'ing on Dalian Plant is my only salvaging factor, since there are four helicopters on this stage. Still; often matches turn into little games of, "Mine Mine Mine!" with other people who want to solo by themselves as well. Then theres the J-10's and F35B's chain bombing the attack helicopter spawn points... Then you have admins who want the helicopter for themselves; and are willing to use their power to get it...

Once I actually do get off of the ground by myself (To solo), I usually go for at least a half an hour before I'm downed by a lucky plane or IGLA/Stinger. Then the whole process of getting up off the ground starts again.

Somebody once told me that those who can't fly, groundpound.

I retort by saying that those who can't deal with the thousands of wannabe fly-boys, groundpound.

You either

A- Had zero opposition, or
B- Had poor opposition.

Do the same thing when people like me, runitsyourmama, zman, etc are around (that's not even considering jet pilots) and see how long you stay up. After a round against any of us, you'll understand.

Short answer?: Yes. I support solo'ing now.

I could easily write you a term paper on my opinions and reasoning as to why.

See, you're not stupid so I knew you'd come around eventually. Welcome to the dark side...

Minutes spent in heli / deaths in heli, simple maths.



Go on, do that then, and show everyone. Somehow I doubt they'll be as impressive as you say they will be, what with your 29 hours experience in heli and 1000 kills...

That calculation is useless because anyone could hop in a heli, stay back and watch the minutes accumulate. KD in the vehicle is a much more valuable statistic: in combination with time spent, you get a clear picture.

KD Ratio: (Kills + Road Kills) / deaths

Efficiency: (Kills + Road Kills) / Time spent in vehicle

I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt who is good and who is bad based on the results of these two calculations.

[vitaminR]

Re: Flying and gunning is easy.

I am a n00b because I redline?:laugh: i red-line because I want to HELP THE TEAM!!! If the gunner is not helping, and no one else wants to gun, why should the chopper sit idle and maybe even get stolen giving the enemy an advantage

The fact that you said you red-line proves that you are a n00b I don't care if the gunner sux get over it thats life red-lining is just immature and selfish

I know what an exploit is, this isn't the first game I have played It is not an exploit, it is a skill if anything, making sure you don't crash or get killed. It doesn't matter they were not made to be flown and gunned by one person, but because it is a game and not a sim, you can.

Wow....I think YOU'R the one thats missing the point here...Once again, like I said in my last post, go learn what the word "exploit" means. I dont know why your comparing it to real life. I agree with you that this IS a game, but that doesnt make everything right. I never ONCE said that, as you put it, "it doesn't matter if they cant in real life be flown and gunned by one person". I never said it did matter. Im saying that IN THE GAME they weren't meant to be flown by just 1 person. Before you post again, go find out what "exploit" means like I already mentioned.

[12:oc7ock]

Re: Flying and gunning is easy.

It's getting up off of the ground thats hard.

Too often there are thousands of lemmings on your team all vying for the same helicopter that you want, and often times even if you do manage to get into the helicopter with one of them; they turn out to be more incompetant than a Bush family member at an enviromentalist rally.

Solo'ing on Dalian Plant is my only salvaging factor, since there are four helicopters on this stage. Still; often matches turn into little games of, "Mine Mine Mine!" with other people who want to solo by themselves as well. Then theres the J-10's and F35B's chain bombing the attack helicopter spawn points... Then you have admins who want the helicopter for themselves; and are willing to use their power to get it...

Once I actually do get off of the ground by myself (To solo), I usually go for at least a half an hour before I'm downed by a lucky plane or IGLA/Stinger. Then the whole process of getting up off the ground starts again.

Somebody once told me that those who can't fly, groundpound.

I retort by saying that those who can't deal with the thousands of wannabe fly-boys, groundpound.

Dairuka, I still don't like you and your political jibberish still doesn't belong on a forums board such as this. With that said, this thread encompasses exactly what has been pissing me off alot lately. I've been taking retards that don't know what the TV missile is to the out of bounds region way too often lately and then they try to get me kicked like it's uncalled for. Let me make something clear here: The objective of you and your team is to win the game; you cannot win the game if valueable assets such as the AH1z of JSF are not utilized effectively. I hope to god some noobsters read this and decide it's better to practice and improve their flight skills in empty servers. 'Tis all.

[vitaminR]

Re: Flying and gunning is easy.

Q F T:salute:

Dairuka, I still don't like you and your political jibberish still doesn't belong on a forums board such as this. With that said, this thread encompasses exactly what has been pissing me off alot lately. I've been taking retards that don't know what the TV missile is to the out of bounds region way too often lately and then they try to get me kicked like it's uncalled for. Let me make something clear here: The objective of you and your team is to win the game; you cannot win the game if valueable assets such as the AH1z of JSF are not utilized effectively. I hope to god some noobsters read this and decide it's better to practice and improve their flight skills in empty servers. 'Tis all.

[Sloi sauce]

Re: Flying and gunning is easy.

Succinctly put...

KD 0-2: GTFO
KD 2-3: You'd better perform, or you're GTFO
KD 3-4: Odds are you'll be decent, but don't miss too often or I'll politely ask you to take your leave
KD 4-5: Now we're talking... we should get along just fine
KD 5-X: No problem, hop in and let's rock

That's in no way the final word, but it's accurate enough to be worth mentioning.

[vitaminR]

Re: Flying and gunning is easy.

I like that, but there will be some people like me, who have a ratio that doesn't really reflect their skill. Mine is 1.8 but I took a long break last summer and at that time was just learning to solo, but now I have gotten good and it will take awhile for my KD ratio to go up since I stay away from servers with more than 15-20 players.

Sick ratio BTW Sloi

Succinctly put...

KD 0-2: GTFO
KD 2-3: You'd better perform, or you're GTFO
KD 3-4: Odds are you'll be decent, but don't miss too often or I'll politely ask you to take your leave
KD 4-5: Now we're talking... we should get along just fine
KD 5-X: No problem, hop in and let's rock

That's in no way the final word, but it's accurate enough to be worth mentioning.

[Sloi sauce]

Re: Flying and gunning is easy.

I like that, but there will be some people like me, who have a ratio that doesn't really reflect their skill. Mine is 1.8 but I took a long break last summer and at that time was just learning to solo, but now I have gotten good and it will take awhile for my KD ratio to go up since I stay away from servers with more than 15-20 players.

Sick ratio BTW Sloi

I completely understand what you're saying bud... I was almost exclusively a pilot for most of my time on "sloi", my original account.

"Sloi" before soloing (only pilot): 140 hours 2000 kills 1000 deaths (2:1)
"Sloi" soloing period 60 hours ~13500 kills 2500 deaths (~5.5:1)

Even then, I get rammed so often that in reality, my ratio would be around 8:1, maybe a little more. It's also the reason I say my little classification system isn't the final word: a lot of people have used their original accounts for so long that their 2:1 really means 4:1 because of the experience and skill they've amassed.

[shadowmafia]

Re: Flying and gunning is easy.

I know what an exploit is, this isn't the first game I have played It is not an exploit, it is a skill if anything, making sure you don't crash or get killed. It doesn't matter they were not made to be flown and gunned by one person, but because it is a game and not a sim, you can.

Obviousely you DONT know what an exploit is, if you think that switching seats to gun and fly is not an exploit. Sure it takes skill, but thats doesn't make it not an exploit. It does matter if they were not made to be flown and gunned by one person, because doing so means that its an exploit. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should. If you think that this is not an exploit, explain to me why EA/DICE patched the game so that it would be harder to do? It wasn't to make it more challenging. The reason they made the changes to the helicopter is to try and stop people from doing this exploit. It was the only thing they could do besides not allow you to switch seats at all.

[LightBred]

Re: Flying and gunning is easy.

nobody will fly me

[Dairuka]

Re: Flying and gunning is easy.

You either

A- Had zero opposition, or
B- Had poor opposition.

Do the same thing when people like me, runitsyourmama, zman, etc are around (that's not even considering jet pilots) and see how long you stay up. After a round against any of us, you'll understand.

I may not be a world class solo'er, but I have gone up against exceptionally good solo'ers, and jet pilots before. I do hold my own. I've even TV'ed a couple arrogant jet pilots who thought they could circle me over and over again like a vulture.

See, you're not stupid so I knew you'd come around eventually. Welcome to the dark side...

I was never against Solo'ing, I just never vocally advocated it before.

I'm now a supporter of Solo'ing.

That calculation is useless because anyone could hop in a heli, stay back and watch the minutes accumulate. KD in the vehicle is a much more valuable statistic: in combination with time spent, you get a clear picture.

KD Ratio: (Kills + Road Kills) / deaths

Efficiency: (Kills + Road Kills) / Time spent in vehicle

I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt who is good and who is bad based on the results of these two calculations.

What about driver assist points? Do you hate pilots that much? :hmm:

[Rock_FU]

Re: Flying and gunning is easy.

I cant solo, and I am too lazy to learn, but I can fly, but I can totally understand the frustration of a crap gunner. Those are the times I say adios and bail over an enemy flag...hopefully he gets the idea and takes over the pilot seat lol.

Most of my helo time is in the transport flying my squad over to flags and halo jumping out of it...even then my chopper KDR is over 2. Considering I mostly fly, I dont think its that bad. But I will never solo, I will always pick up a gunner. If he sucks I bail, simple.

I prefer to be on the ground anyway.

[bowenjac]

Re: Flying and gunning is easy.

Wow, you bunch of Chopper whores. I just joined BF2 and I thought I would be a jet whore but I cba tanks are better xD

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

Re: Flying and gunning is easy.

I completely understand what you're saying bud... I was almost exclusively a pilot for most of my time on "sloi", my original account.

"Sloi" before soloing (only pilot): 140 hours 2000 kills 1000 deaths (2:1)
"Sloi" soloing period 60 hours ~13500 kills 2500 deaths (~5.5:1)

Even then, I get rammed so often that in reality, my ratio would be around 8:1, maybe a little more. It's also the reason I say my little classification system isn't the final word: a lot of people have used their original accounts for so long that their 2:1 really means 4:1 because of the experience and skill they've amassed.

Kind of like all my KDR's should be like 20... lol

[proto]

Re: Flying and gunning is easy.

Kind of like all my KDR's should be like 20... lol

Your KD should be like 60...shut up.

[Sloi sauce]

Re: Flying and gunning is easy.

Do you hate pilots that much? :hmm:

I was a pilot for most of my time, all love here

I didn't think to add them because they're not "your" kills.