Bunny Hopping & Dolphin Diving

[TotalBF2er]

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But spamming your jump key to try to avoid hit detection is lame.

Exactly, they're jumping because they're avoiding hit detection. As I had said earlier, the other players ARE hitting them, it's just not registering properly when they're hopping about. This is why there is such a raging debate across many games if it's an exploit or not.

I agree with you that dolphin-diving (or at least a slower version of repeated dive->proning remains), I've posted a topic regarding that and the apparent 'increase in accuracy' afforded to those who have figured out how to exploit it.
It's like the developer wanted to include the "OMFG, i pulled off the most amazing shot today" moments in the game, so programmed it in. "OMFG, this guy was shooting me, then I did a jump->strafe->turn->triple axle->dive->prone and totally shot this guy in the head BAM!" :/

Those who can, do - Those who can't, complain

Wrong again. I don't bunnyhop out of choice. I'm at the top of the charts most games, without doing so. Many of the deadliest players that put me down are also not bunnyhopping. They're very good shots.

[Maxor127]

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I can do it and complain too. I know how to dolphin dive still. It's just so completely lame that I wouldn't want to be associated with it.

And whoever called my comments stupid just proves your ignorance. You entirely missed my point. Yeah this isn't America's Army, but it isn't Quake either. I bet you wish surfing was in BF2 too.

[LuckySeven]

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Wrong again. I don't bunnyhop out of choice. I'm at the top of the charts most games, without doing so. Many of the deadliest players that put me down are also not bunnyhopping. They're very good shots.

You don't need to "bunnyhop" (whatever it means) to be good. But without knowing everything and every single tactic and thing you can't be the best or beat the best. If there are two players equal in skill but the other knows how to move he will win. No question about it.

[ramsie1]

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You don't need to "bunnyhop" (whatever it means) to be good. But without knowing everything and every single tactic and thing you can't be the best or beat the best. If there are two players equal in skill but the other knows how to move he will win. No question about it.

totally agree, non stop moving is the key to avoid enemy fire.

[TotalBF2er]

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You don't need to "bunnyhop" (whatever it means) to be good. But without knowing everything and every single tactic and thing you can't be the best or beat the best. If there are two players equal in skill but the other knows how to move he will win. No question about it.

I'm confused as to why you posted this? Did I say you need to bunnyhop to win?
I thought I said what you said.. in which case we agree LOL.

[LuckySeven]

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I'm confused as to why you posted this? Did I say you need to bunnyhop to win?
I thought I said what you said.. in which case we agree LOL.

You said you don't bunnyhop. I don't know what you mean by bunnyhop, but for me hopping and stuff means moving effectively to outcome and shoot back at anything thrown at. May it be tank, sniper or anything. Now you say you don't hop I assume you pretty much suck at it because you tell you don't use it out of choice. If you'd master moving, it would be next to impossible to not use it and vice versa. And I wonder when did you play the hundreds of hours of infantry, hopping around to become even decent at moving.

When one starts playing he usually practices aim and weapons and shooting styles. Then he learns to move, but moving disturbs his aim and other things, so he limits moving into things he can master without decreasing his lethality. Eventually one will learn to move without moving disturbing his aim at all. After a while he begins to eliminate unnecessary complexity out of his gaming style. When all unnecessary things are taken out, it all starts again, but without any noticeable difference between phases this time. After maybe thousand hours everything is silk smooth, and even smallest change in the game will be disastrous. Just like 1.2 and 1.4 patches, where all the delays and limitations were added. Thats when all professionals quit because they couldn't take it. You can't just change something learnt and practiced so perfectly over the time. I hope you now understand what I mean. And sorry off topic.

[DesertFalcon]

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i hate bunny hoppers

[Monkmonkman]

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Sorry, but I need to make a wall-o-text.

I think bunnyhopping is gay, and complain about it all the time, but I don't suck at the game. There goes your theory.

yes, you might not suck at the game but to what standards? you may not suck in a 32 player wake island server, but go to a 64 karkand, or even better, swiftys bfpro pub, and its a different story bub. refusing to bunnyhop because you think its "gay" is just hurting your own skill.

Let's face facts. Players discovered bunnyhopping long ago, and are well aware of the effects on the hitboxes, that get all messed up when doing so.

ummm, no they get messed up the same, as say strafing left and right. Prone spamming messes up hitboxes, not bunnyhopping, because your not coliding to animations together.

Anyone can hit and kill a jumping target - anyone... It's the hitboxes that get all messed up when they do it that allows them to live longer. It's not skill. It's a well-known exploit.

then I guess sprinting perpendicular to your target and circle strafing is a "well known exploit" too...

Threads about bunnyhopping suck.

QFT

Bunnyhopping rules, if you are in the open against 6 people, what the **** else are you going to do?

Now were getting somewhere.

Just what i experienced last night...ended 43/11...next highest was 22.
Learn to shoot...then u don`t have to be a bunny!

Or you can combine both, and be even better...

Exactly. People bunnyhop because it actually works. Now why it works has probably more to do with the game engine, then the skill of the 6 people shooting at you.

ummm, nope.

For the record, I've had more problems killing people who simply run or sprint around, doing evasive and clever tactics, then killing a bunnyhopper

Then why are you complaining about bunnyhopping?

For myself, I just don't want a game where everyone is jumping around constantly and bellyflopping around (re: dolphin-diving), making the game look completely retarded.

the game is made to be ARCADY, If you don't like it.... www.americasarmy.com

In early BF2, that's all the game degraded to - constant hopping and bellyflopping.

Because it worked, and it was effective, and took alot of skill to kill these people. but no... your precious stats get *gasp* ruined when they kill you, so people whines to EA and now the game is some americas army wanabe rip-off, where movement is clunky, and the game isn't fun anymore.

Bunny hopping makes the game stupid.

No, It makes the game more skill baised, and arcady, they way it was meant to be

Anyone who does it should be shipped to Iraq to fight a real battle and see where hopping around gets them.

Realism argument = PHAIL

Jumping every so often is ok. But spamming your jump key to try to avoid hit detection is lame. I'm not sure which you were doing, but I'll assume the admin overreacted. Bunny hopping isn't as bad is dolphin diving, though, which is still possible.

no its not.

Anyone who likes bunny hopping and dolphin diving and calls anyone who hates it noobs are the same people who buy G15 keyboards so they can create macros or download hacks and use any other exploits they can get away with.

You sound more intelligent when you don't talk.

Those who can, do - Those who can't, complain

QFT

And whoever called my comments stupid just proves your ignorance. You entirely missed my point. Yeah this isn't America's Army, but it isn't Quake either. I bet you wish surfing was in BF2 too.

But its STILL arcady, where are you to draw the line of where the game stands on the "realism"?

[zipp0r]

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Exactly, they're jumping because they're avoiding hit detection. As I had said earlier, the other players ARE hitting them, it's just not registering properly when they're hopping about. This is why there is such a raging debate across many games if it's an exploit or not.

rubbish....... absolute ****ing rubbish!!

some of the crap you whiners spout is just stupid.

a moving target is harder for the spraying player to hit. theres no bad registry going on, theres no magical extra hitbox lag and theres no extra leading needed.

[mwillin0000]

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rubbish....... absolute ****ing rubbish!!

some of the crap you whiners spout is just stupid.

a moving target is harder for the spraying player to hit. theres no bad registry going on, theres no magical extra hitbox lag and theres no extra leading needed.

well i cant tell if the hitboxes are messed because i dont run across many bunnyhoppers(amazing! i even play karkand all the time!) but if you shoot while someone is in your sights, the bullet should hit. obviously. even if the person is hopping around like a ***.

[camper.]

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The thing about lag is that while you see the opposing player at 180 degrees to you, the opposing player is looking right at you, or very close to. In other games it's nothing like this, but the point is, this kills circle-strafing. The only times it seems to work in this game is when you have a 20 ping, or if the other player is utterly blind.

[imported_Neptune]

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hey you know what would shut everybody up? if the jumping height is realistic... i mean.. 5 feet with 100 pounds of equipment... yeah right.

[zipp0r]

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well i cant tell if the hitboxes are messed because i dont run across many bunnyhoppers(amazing! i even play karkand all the time!) but if you shoot while someone is in your sights, the bullet should hit. obviously. even if the person is hopping around like a ***.

use a sniper rifle and see how many jumping players you can hit, you will find it piss easy.. far easier than shooting a sprinting player.
but nubs still miss..? cos they are crap! and then they whine here or on ea forums. the same idiots that whined about jumping and shooting and what not and probably the same idiots that used to shout hacker all day long in counter-strike.

[Raidyr]

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Monkmonk wins thread, gg

[zipp0r]

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hey you know what would shut everybody up? if the jumping height is realistic... i mean.. 5 feet with 100 pounds of equipment... yeah right.

nope they would still whine untill players are forced to stand still and not allowed to move at all.