what was BH whoring like?

[Roger Smith]

Re: what was BH whoring like?

bacially aa worked even less well against helicopters and the minigun had massive splash damage, and the thing could be repaired mid air, very quickly. picture a well coordinated bh squad slaughtering and entire mec team on mashtuur city, then you might have some idea.

[BirdKiller]

Re: what was BH whoring like?

It was one of those scenarios where the lust and greed for points and individual achievements would synthesize into coordinated teamwork. In many cases, you didn't need to ask or order your passengers to have a specific kit and at a specific position, they knew what to do.

[sknight]

Re: what was BH whoring like?

It was one of those scenarios where the lust and greed for points and individual achievements would synthesize into coordinated teamwork. In many cases, you didn't need to ask or order your passengers to have a specific kit and at a specific position, they knew what to do.

haha, you would jump from server to server trying to find one where there was already a squad called "BH" or "Blackhawk"

This was back when for me it was 'points..points...points!!!!! gotta catch em all!'

[RAVENCDF]

Re: what was BH whoring like?

personally i loved the almost guaranteed teamwork taking place in the old BH whoring days. 90% of the time you had people with the right kit, in the right places without even asking anyone to. doubt that happens anymore.

True it was abit annoying when it was on the other team but i have to say i did enjoy trying to hit it with AT's when it was hovering. getting that magical pilot kill and seeing the thing plummet was probably the best moment in the game.

[Rocker45]

Re: what was BH whoring like?

The BlackHawk was fun (if you were lucky enough to snag a minigunner seat) but admittedly far too easy to rack up big points with no skill involved. Capping a flag in about a second was pure retardation and the BH unbalanced many maps and allowed the USMC to dominate MEC and China. That doesn't mean DICE should've nerfed the BH weapon like they did. The flag capping nerf was warranted but the mini-gun nerf shouldn't have been so severe.

They should introduce splash damage back to ALL transport guns (Mec, China and USMC but leave the BH gun with a slight edge) but not at the same level it was pre-nerf. A slightly smaller splash radius and a quicker drop off on the damage would fit perfectly. Currently the BH gun is useless and it's just a shame. To keep the BH point gain in check they should also retool the way in which vehicle kill assists and vehicle special assists work.

So to recap a new and improved "lesser" transport gun, plus the current lesser armor, plus the current transport repair rate nerf all totaled would result in a very effective yet very balanced vehicle that isn't a waste of space like it is now.

Totally agree with you PW. But also, let's not forget that for many maps, the blackhawk in its previous glory helped to balance the sides. I would argue that maps like Wake/Dalian Plant/Dragon Valley were balanced around the power of the blackhawk. Back in the day, many people ignored the overpowered nature of the J-10 because the USMC still had their own devastating weapon.

In particular, Wake use to be extremely well balanced. The J-10s dominated the sky, but the USMC had enough effective air vehicles (F35, Cobra, +Blackhawk) that they could make land fall and begin an effective invasion. As it stands now the USMC only has the F35+Cobra. The PLA have the J10+Attack Chopper+Homefield advantage (AA/vehicels). The Blackhawk use to balance out the homefield advantage.

Removing effective guns from the black hawk dramatically effected game balance across many maps. In some cases it balanced them (Mashataur/Shonghai) and in others unbalanced them (Wake/Dragon Valley).

Just my two cents.

[AnotherEd]

Re: what was BH whoring like?

What I miss most about the BH of yesterday was how it encouraged teamwork. As everyone says, it took a well balanced squad doing what they needed to do to make it happen. And just as well it took a focused squad of 3-4 AT and a medic and support guy to defend against it. Many times I connected with people willing to be an "ANTIHELO" squad and it worked fabulously. The visuals of 4 vapor trails suddenly converging on the BH are something I will never forget.

But anything that encourages strong teamwork always gets complained about by those that don't know how to make teamwork happen on their own and nerfing usually follows.

Ah well, I got to enjoy it while it was what it was. Everytime I pass a BH quietly sitting on it's helipad all alone, a single tear usually forms.

[imported_The 13th Raptor]

Re: what was BH whoring like?

But anything that encourages strong teamwork always gets complained about by those that don't know how to make teamwork happen on their own and nerfing usually follows.

Not this again.. there was no way to get the amount of teamwork needed to succesfully counter a BH on a regular bases.. for the simple reason that there is no 6 position vehicle available that would pretty much guarantee 150 points per round that would take the BH down. So dont give me the ol' BH whore kneejerk reply of old.. it's been beaten to death, just accept the thing was overpowered.

[imported_Bullet Magnet]

Re: what was BH whoring like?

In particular, Wake use to be extremely well balanced. The J-10s dominated the sky, but the USMC had enough effective air vehicles (F35, Cobra, +Blackhawk) that they could make land fall and begin an effective invasion. As it stands now the USMC only has the F35+Cobra. The PLA have the J10+Attack Chopper+Homefield advantage (AA/vehicels). The Blackhawk use to balance out the homefield advantage.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Wake come out after BH nerfing?

[poisonsoul]

Re: what was BH whoring like?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Wake come out after BH nerfing?

nope. They made it take less damage to blow up, but the miniguns were still the same.

[Rocker45]

Re: what was BH whoring like?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Wake come out after BH nerfing?

No, the miniguns were still a deadly weapon. It game the USMC a fighting chance.

ROCKER45

[sknight]

Re: what was BH whoring like?

No, the miniguns were still a deadly weapon. It game the USMC a fighting chance.

ROCKER45

Half the nerf was the 'you must get out of the vehicle while capturing flags'

[RocketChild]

Re: what was BH whoring like?

Half the nerf was the 'you must get out of the vehicle while capturing flags'

I had a sudden flashback to that GI JOE informational at the end of cartoons...

"And Nerfing is half the battle!"

[Lazza66]

Re: what was BH whoring like?

I wasnt around at that time so can someone tell me what it was like, were jets and attack choppers popular back then or did everyone rush to the BH as soon as they spawned

were the other transport choppers that powerfull or was it only the BH?

Since the BH encouraged squad tactics and teamplay it was nerfed into uselessness.

It wasn't that invulnerable, an AT rocket into the passenger bay could take out 3 guys, enabling a FAV to finish it. Another method was to load the Chinese chopper with C4 and sucide into it (6 kills), often if your timing was good you could bail and didn't need to even suicide.

Admittedly being in the BH was a walk in the park, but hunting it was a real challenge, but worth it when successful (6 kills).

Just a pity 2/3rds of the players wanted USMC team, and wouldn't play the opposition due to simple greed. It wasn't the fact that I wasn't in the BH that annoyed me back then, it was the fact that the teams would be unbalalced, and satcked.

[Rocker45]

Re: what was BH whoring like?

Half the nerf was the 'you must get out of the vehicle while capturing flags'

That was a minor nerf. The problem was when they reduced its combat ability. Having to land to capture the flag was a good thing I believe. If anything that increased the amount of teamwork necessary and enhanced the beauty of flying in a blackhawk crew.

[sknight]

Re: what was BH whoring like?

That was a minor nerf. The problem was when they reduced its combat ability. Having to land to capture the flag was a good thing I believe. If anything that increased the amount of teamwork necessary and enhanced the beauty of flying in a blackhawk crew.

Yeah, I abused the heck out of that. Ah, the things we do when we're young.