PunkBuster, Key Macros and 1.4

[DosX]

Re: PunkBuster, Key Macros and 1.4

You are mistaken...

Ah, thanks for the info. I'll have to check it out.

[Sn0wbl1nd]

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Why are mice and remapping keys brought up. The issue is using third party software to accomplish a give task, right? Anyone can change the mappings at the control menu for keyboard and mouse. I thought the issue was mapping (with 3rd party software) mulitpile keystrokes to one key to exploit the game engine. I might be getting confused. I'm getting old.

thing is u dont need 3rd party software to do this just a good knowledge of windows.

either way talking about this will raise more eyes to the issue (hopefully)

[W_Parmenter]

Re: PunkBuster, Key Macros and 1.4

thing is u dont need 3rd party software to do this just a good knowledge of windows.

either way talking about this will raise more eyes to the issue (hopefully)

I don't know enough about it to know if using the drivers supplied by Windows would be good enough to get around PB, they are still supplied by the manufacturers after all. But assuming they were kosher with PB, my joystick would still be functional but it appears I'd lose the mouse functionality on it. My n52 would be all screwed up, not totally nonfunctional but of limited use. All in all, I'd probably still play BF2 but be pissed off enough to avoid buying any games using PB in the future.

[Sn0wbl1nd]

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I don't know enough about it to know if using the drivers supplied by Windows would be good enough to get around PB, they are still supplied by the manufacturers after all. But assuming they were kosher with PB, my joystick would still be functional but it appears I'd lose the mouse functionality on it. My n52 would be all screwed up, not totally nonfunctional but of limited use. All in all, I'd probably still play BF2 but be pissed off enough to avoid buying any games using PB in the future.

well the drivers used by windows might not b good enough but more than likely u can just install teh drivers and not the whole program.

idk about not buying anymore games with PB in them cause they are doin a pretty good job heck ther better than VAC in steam.

[W_Parmenter]

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Ya but I'm the customer, why should I be inconvenienced because EA/DICE won't fix the problem properly?

[Sn0wbl1nd]

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Ya but I'm the customer, why should I be inconvenienced because EA/DICE won't fix the problem properly?

very true

question really is are u willing to give up gaming all together (cause thats alot of games lol) or will u continue to play in hopes that they will get it together and fix the exploits. so far they have fixed alot and are pretty good with finding the cheaters on ranked and nonranked pb servers.

we can only hope that this is being looked into by EA/DICE/PB. if anyone has any info from EA/DICE/PB about this and what they plan to do about it please post it. TIA :)

[W_Parmenter]

Re: PunkBuster, Key Macros and 1.4

very true

question really is are u willing to give up gaming all together (cause thats alot of games lol) or will u continue to play in hopes that they will get it together and fix the exploits. so far they have fixed alot and are pretty good with finding the cheaters on ranked and nonranked pb servers.

we can only hope that this is being looked into by EA/DICE/PB. if anyone has any info from EA/DICE/PB about this and what they plan to do about it please post it. TIA :)

As DosX pointed out, for PunkBuster to target the hardware would cause massive disruption and potentially cause a lot of companies to lose money so I don't think they'll do anything that radical. But if they did, there's other types of games out there which don't involve massive numbers of players and smacktards and cheats. In any case I'll be watching closely how things go with 2142 before I decide whether or not to buy it. Hopefully EA has learned from BF2.

[redrider]

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Well I ran across a ranked server full of Macro and cheat users today. The guy flying solo in the USMC attack chopper, IAMPIRO I think, was the worst. So I did the only thing I could think of that might stop him, I asked him with in game chat where he got that sweet Macro and promptly got a "stfu noob". After about 3 more questions about how to get one, didnt really want one but asking usually makes them stop useing the macro, he quit useing the macro.
Maybe this Idea, asking where to get one, will help someone else stop a cheater in thier tracks.
Oh and I did tell the chopper guy I was probably the only Noob with over 1000 hours, so if he checked he found thats the truth. At any rate the Idea worked for me and might work for you. Good luck. . . . . . . .Red

To help clear things up I dont really think that moveing just one key, button to an easier to reach place is a problem. Its the key stroke, button combinations that are. I hope the powers that be will address this.

[disfigured]

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All good points and an excellent exchange of ideas and philosophies.

The original point of my post "Drawing the Line", is that macros do fall under the ROE. While the ROE is a poorly written document riddled with vagaries too numerous to list, the one that isn't vague is "3rd Party Programs" to "gain an advantage".

If it weren't for the ROE I suppose Macros wouldn't be such an issue. But the BF2 ROE for all intents and purposes is an attempt to regulate and standardize game play. Mainly because of the ranking and point system, but it has failed miserably.

It's point is still relevant though. In order to better game play a standard has to be defined. I often use sports analogies, but essentially multi-player PC gaming is a sport, although not physical it is competition on a feild a play. The feild, the play, and tools used have to be standardized in order to have the best game play.

How good would sports be if they allowed all kinds of things to slide? Corked bats, helium filled balls, steriods, anything goes? Of course it's not better, that's why it's not allowed. We shouldn't stoop to what the most desperate of us will attempt. Not doing so will also allow those players to better themselves. Standardized game play and well inforced anti-cheat programs in gaming will also eliminates a lot of the anomosity and suspicion that ruins communities and players. Right down to the very round your playing at any given time.

I think introducing third party software is just too large of dam to burst, for any game. At this point in time anyway. It's sets a precedent for too many other things that would become considered acceptable. Things no one would want.

Macros may have been around for a while now, but not for this player.

[redrider]

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Disfigured, I agree with you 100%. For me one of the biggest thrills I get while playing BF2 is getting to see my Improvement and its all me. No macros or cheats or anything else. When they take all the extra stuff that doesnt belong away my skill level will be the same. The guys useing the extra bits of programming cant say that.

Artificial skill, must be nice to have. However, I can play BF2 and dont need the Prosthesis. Do you? . . . . . . . .Red


* after rereading this post It sounded like it was pointed at Disfigured, that was never intended. Again, I agree with him.

[Sn0wbl1nd]

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im glad to see so many ppl talk about this i just hope that its not in vain and something willl come of it. like Di$ said its been around for awhile and that scares me just a bit.

[{HHx}b14ze]

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*Little update here. After a couple of negative replies to me using a single key to toss a medic bag, I decided to try it with three keystrokes.

I mapped the 5 (medic bag), the left mouse click (toss bag) and the 3 (primary weapon) to my Nostromo. I discovered that I could actually toss bags FASTER using three key presses then I could with my one key macro!

This prompted me to revisit my one key macro, where I adjusted the delays between keypresses and the delays between key down and up. Now I'm tossing bags with a single keystroke even faster then before!!

Thanks guys

******* macro cheat. Maybe you should just map everything that you do in the game to just one key, say mouse one. Then you can go back to doing the real things that are important to you, like eating sandwiches. Anyone report this lazy turd? ROFL

Hey
DosXXX


Is that your ingame name? Man i would seriously just play normally...

http://bf2s.com/player/59944392/

[DosX]

Re: PunkBuster, Key Macros and 1.4

******* macro cheat. Maybe you should just map everything that you do in the game to just one key, say mouse one. Then you can go back to doing the real things that are important to you, like eating sandwiches. Anyone report this lazy turd? ROFL

Hey
DosXXX


Is that your ingame name? Man i would seriously just play normally...

http://bf2s.com/player/59944392/

Again, you don't know anything about me. And no, that isn't my player name, that guy hasn't been in game since June?

Debate the issue, complain about macros, but don't attack me. And try to stick to the topic at hand. Your little strawman tactics show how weak your argument really is.

I've seen macros that use that AutoKey program - which can be completely hidden from PunkBuster - that allowed a commander playing Karkand to drop vehicles on the US artillery. Yep - one key to drop on the left arty and one key to drop on the right arty. Those are the type of macros that need to be eliminated from the game.

I ran one simple macro. It tossed one medic bag then switched back to my primary weapon. Instead of 5-LMB-3 I hit one key.

But I've since seen the evil of my ways. I no longer use a single key but three like anyone else. But those three keys are on my Nostromo. Should I be worried about being kicked/banned by PunkBuster now? Does using my Nostromo alone provide me such an unfair advantage that I need to be eliminated from playing Battlefield 2? What about my Logitech MX518 Mouse? I've mapped keys to those buttons using Logitechs software. Will PunkBuster target that now? And of course my Logitech Extreme 3d Pro Joystick has keys mapped to the buttons. Is that on the ban list?

This topic began as macros. But, as I've proven, all macro capable programs can NOT be eliminated from the game. I don't condone using a third party program which is NOT associated with any hardware device to record and play macros in Battlefield 2. I acknowledge that players are using third party software which IS associated with hardware to record and play macros which give them an unfair advantage over other players.

My question is simply this - How will PunkBuster know the difference between a Nostromo user who has NO macros, and a Nostromo user who runs LOTS of macros?

The answer of course is that they can't. So PunkBuster has two choices. Either ban ALL users of the Nostromo software (which is required to use the Nostromo), or do nothing.

My bet is on the do nothing.

[imported_hm_crespo]

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First of all I dont use Macros, if I ever got used to them I would get owned if I play on another PC.
But I dont think they are cheating, because it is a capability of the game, all people are doing is getting an advantage, thats all, It is no different than having a good video card that allows u to tell if theres a sniper under a bush or its just the bush's shadow, or a nice soundcard that can let u hear when some one is coming from behind.
I would seriously be mad if PB started kicking people for having a G15 or a Zboard, it wouldnt be fair for the people that spent the money for the Game and for the keyboard. I say deal with it.
Another thing if EA really says its cheating or anything of the like then they should stop sending flyers of the keyboards, sound cards and vidcards with their games.
Macros Cant AIM, Macros cant drive a tank or fly a plane, Macros dont make you Invincible, Macros dont make you Invisible, Macros cant shoot thru walls, Macros cant see thru walls, etc.
Deal with it

[Sn0wbl1nd]

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******* macro cheat. Maybe you should just map everything that you do in the game to just one key, say mouse one. Then you can go back to doing the real things that are important to you, like eating sandwiches. Anyone report this lazy turd? ROFL

Hey
DosXXX


Is that your ingame name? Man i would seriously just play normally...

http://bf2s.com/player/59944392/

well i would hope that u would read the rest of his post b4 u pass judgement cause he has stated that he has seen the evil of his was and decided that he wasnt gonna use it anymore. now if he really does it that will b left to b seen.

big thing here folks make sure u read all of the thread b4 u post cause u might just miss something that would make ur post seem tard like or say somthing that sounds like u didnt read the whole thing.