Why I own J-10's, in an F-35.

[Batausu]

Re: Why I own J-10's, in an F-35.

... I think I set myself up for a kicking.

Pssst!
/lower the voice/
He has a weakness: he’s afraid of grenades! :evil:
/normal voice/
Good lock, … I mean … good luck!

[MoB|GunnerDoop]

Re: Why I own J-10's, in an F-35.

Sir. Blades. Could you PM me the explanation as well? I usually fly the Su and can go a whole round without getting shot down, but in the 35 or jian, i have a hard time catching the slower flyers off guard unless they are bombing. I can evade pretty well, slowing down and moving in and out of their hud icredibly fast.

Thanks in advance.

[motorboatJones]

Re: Why I own J-10's, in an F-35.

EDIT: Mouse/KB/JS? What do you use?


I divide a turn (loop) into 3 parts. The start, the middile and the end. F35B will lose the MiG from its sight in the first part of the turn, the Su will be lost by the end of the second part. To prolongue the time which you have a visual on the OpFor, you have to slow down. My best advice is, fly F35B with throttle set at 90%-95% so your cruise speed is somewhere around ~800. This way, you will keep distance in a turn, and as such, youll have a longer lock-window. PLUS, youll decelerate faster if you need to.

There are 3 possible ways to chase a MiG/Su into a turn. One, the easiest way, turn as soon as you see them turn, at full throttle. This is the easiest way to lose the MiG from your sights because youll significantly overshoot by the end of the 1st stage of a turn.

Second method is the same, you turn as soon as you see them turn, but you slow down a littlebit. Youll lose the target just the same.

Third method is path aligning, which I use a lot. I dont follow a plane by visual, I use its contrails as "highway" on which I align myself. I will get a missile lock at the start of the first phaze of the turn and somewhere at the second/third phaze. Note that Im talking about a turn here, not a straight, vertical loop. But this method works with loops aswell, just less effectively because chasing without using external views or pre-spotting is extremely hard.

Forth method, which Sir Blades has demonstrated on video works great, and is somewhat the easiest and packs a good result. Its great against pilots who use vertical loop as their primary evasion method. Basically, youre behind the target and you create some distance. Engage into a missile lock and watch them pull up. Now, you have to shoot off missiles so that you have a constant lock on them, and they stay at the bottom part of your missile lock circle. Ive used this method before, but never systematically, as in, I never used it purposely. Sir Blades in his vide demonstrated its effectiveness against J10s.

So why a MiG, especially a Su can keep you in missile lock and decimate you? Reason is, distance. They are far away and they just adjust their nose with your movements. Problem is, youre way too fast, so they stay behind. Youre toast. Im not saying that you have to fly at 700 KPH. Im just saying that try to maneuver so that they are as close to you as possible. This will achieve 2 goals. One, they are going to try to get EVEN CLOSER themselves, because they will try to use cannons. Two, youll fly through their screens a lot, leaving no time for missile lock, not that you have to use F35Bs main strenght here, which is its agility, its superior roll speed. This works especially well against the Su (using superior roll speed, so you make multiple maneuvers)

Note that this isnt dogfighting bible. This is just something Ive picked up and am trying to use. F35B is still a heartbreaking missile magnet, and its turn radius is way too big.

Not sure what to make off all that. Anyway, when I fly F-35s I do reduce throttle to about 800mph. I also have noticed that there's a certain range that is the sweet spot for missile locks. Too close and you lose lock as soon as they turn. I have noticed the same with the MiG. When I'm in too close (I'm not talking 50-100 feet here where all you see is the engine nozzle) and shoot missiles often times I don't even see the missiles even though I have lock and they are launched. When I'm too far it seems to be much the same as in close but not as bad. I often times anticipate where they are going and move before they do. Back to how some can easily take down the Mig/Su in the F-35. I think they are doing some of these things like keeping good distance, using guns to soften you up, ambushing when going in for repairs or ammo, but most importantly, I think they are spamming all six missiles at once knowing some will get through flares.

p.s. I use Logitech 3D Extreme.

[imported_DMXSNOW]

Re: Why I own J-10's, in an F-35.

This is great, I've learned absolutely nothing new.

[Bubas]

Re: Why I own J-10's, in an F-35.

This is great, I've learned absolutely nothing new.

So what? The last time I read this thread it wasn´t abaut you or what you knew.

[imported_DMXSNOW]

Re: Why I own J-10's, in an F-35.

So what? The last time I read this thread it wasn´t abaut you or what you knew.

The last time I checked, a forum is a place where users share their own opinions .

[Bubas]

Re: Why I own J-10's, in an F-35.

The last time I checked, a forum is a place where users share their own opinions .

You haven´t shared an opinion, you just said in a soft way that what people are posting here is garbage.

Or that you are so good that what other people posted here was not usefull for you because you learned it in the first week of play.

P.S. - It´s my opinion and nothing you may say will change it, and I won´t coment no more on it, so this is the last post I make abaut this.

[$kelet0r]

Re: Why I own J-10's, in an F-35.

so is this still happening? 1 hour away or no?

[zipp0r]

Re: Why I own J-10's, in an F-35.

pretty pointless thing to do tbh, f35 looses to every other plane in the game. although it can down a j10, its not going to take one out thats expecting it.

[CDN-SMOKEJUMPER]

Re: Why I own J-10's, in an F-35.

pretty pointless thing to do tbh, f35 looses to every other plane in the game. although it can down a j10, its not going to take one out thats expecting it.

We're going to find out in a few hours now aren't we. :p

[zipp0r]

Re: Why I own J-10's, in an F-35.

We're going to find out in a few hours now aren't we. :p

nope, i just told u whats gonna happen :p

[Ryan-82]

Re: Why I own J-10's, in an F-35.

just dont get hit by debri...it sucks...

[IDC-Shorly]

Re: Why I own J-10's, in an F-35.

Agree in whats said above.

For the F-35 to win a dogfight against a J10, there almost have to be in a regular game, since shooting down a J10 in most cases happens because the J10 pilot is distracting to a target he must get down. I.e a chopper to airfield on Wake.

To invite for a dogfight with a J10 against the F-35, then there must be equal times in each jet, and the winner is the one having most kills. Like 10x2.

Even noobs can rule in the J10, and a skilled noob can evade all missiles. Being a pilot is about mastering all the jets, not whoring kills on Wake on a rape-server.

95% of the ones playing BF2 seems to have no clue of what they are doing.

Flying the F-35 is what makes me better, and is also the only jet I actually feel somehow proud doing whatever i manage to in a round.

What really makes me love the F-35, is how you have to plan cleaning the ground for tanks, aa and transports. To let your team get to reach shore at all. Then gunning down their helo, so airtransport can come through and get flags. All this while evading and escaping those greedy J10's, and when they go for what they want, the easy kills on carrier. Then it's just about time to dive down and send them back to camp at their airfield.

The most satisfacting feeling in this game is how hard those J10 pilots change target priority, as when you have humiliated them when shooting them down two or three times.

Sorry pro-J10's, but I really don't have any respect for you. The maximum level one can reach flying the J10, is "the skilled noob level."

[Bungalow_Bill]

Re: Why I own J-10's, in an F-35.

Thanks, I think I set myself up for a kicking. Too late now, can't back out or it'll be worse and I'll have to hide my e face for a few days.

I just finshed a long HL2 deathmatch session and I'm more than ready to go right now.

Really I'm going to take no pride in shooting you down all I'm doing is proving my initial point. It's odd though that you seemed so confident at the beginning of the thread that the J-10 is fair game but now after a little bit of boasting on my part you've become timid. It's worth noting that since the 1.3 patch I have been shot down a total of zero times in a J-10 and every single time I have engaged an F-35B they have either bailed or been shot down. And I don't think for a second that has anything to do with me being an experienced pilot because it's all in the plane choice unfortunatly.

[ELI]

Re: Why I own J-10's, in an F-35.

Would the F-18 be a better choice than the F35?