Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

[Roger Smith]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

Well contrary to wat u might say roger, the poll shows the majority of this forum want the guns beefed up, wat i say now is that a more precise poll should b made directly focusin on HOW the guns should b improved(splash damage, accuracy, speed, damage)

the majority of people liked whoring the bh because they like free points, the majority of people didnt want squad cycling removed because they like to whore. the majority of people want to dolphin dive, and bunny hop all with no fire delay or loss of accuracy. the majority is bollocks.

they are adding armor and armor is needed for the vehicle to accomplish its mission. guns are not needed to do that mission.

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

Well contrary to wat u might say roger, the poll shows the majority of this forum want the guns beefed up, wat i say now is that a more precise poll should b made directly focusin on HOW the guns should b improved(splash damage, accuracy, speed, damage)

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

isnt it so annoying when your in a plane and all you heat guided missile go through the middle?

[Roger Smith]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

All sides shoud have choppers that counter each other, do you want the BH back just to get points? Or would you like to see a game that is balanced?

the old miniguns on the blackhawk were not balanced. if reverting them and giving the mec/pla thier own versions means beefing up, count me out. if they were to be made more accurate and or stronger i would have no problem. but no transport of any game should have weapons that can slaughter while blindfolded. so you say, thats how they are irl. well a heavy at missile will kill a blackhawk instantly irl. so you get the real minigun, i get to take you down in one at shot, your choice. i think id rather have armor since its a transport.

they ought to think about beefing up the usmc jets and the mec jets they are absoloute pants against the j10

beefing up or nerfing anything wont fix the underlying problems with aa, heatsources and hitboxes.

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Ok....
Official Diceguy told us they can't make the F35 be equal to the J10 because of it's dual role.
I tell you, you can't/don't need to make the Blackhawk and the Hip equal because of the BHs role that is, like in the above situation, not quite similar to that of the other transport helos.


I know, but since the Blackhawk nerfing brought up this topic (it didn't really exist before because noone really cared about the other choppers since they were not so important anyway)


I think I already mentioned what made the original BH so uber. Reread all my posts maybe...
Otoh people stand around tanks, APCs and planes aswell... soooo who cares anyway.



Wait... no. Because that's stupid as they have different roles. See... the MEC chopper's main usage is to bring carrier rapers to the carrier... it shouldn't have much stronger guns.

OH ****! I RANTED! Now you have me! I was just pointing out your stupidity basically since you always make the same useless comments while the real problem is your lack of skill... I mean... it can't be that hard to kill a helicopter with two fly by wire AT missiles while it can only shoot at you from the sides... or... maybe... I don't know what the usual BF2 player is capable of X-D



The original problem being........ ah yes, the transport helicopters are flying coffins (especially on U.S. side, at least that's where people are complaining)... yea... a usable minigun won't help there... better add a beaming capability... thank's for pointing out my error here!


Better guns and armor? Only better guns? hmmm...



Btw for the other readers:
See how Dandred always tries to say things that don't really have to do with the topic but in his mind seem to make me look stupid/dumb/girly/whatever? This is what you should never do as it just shows you don't really have a point regarding the topic thus making yourself look stupid. Hope that helps.

Christ you wrote loads of stuff I don't even know which aprt to reply to!!!

Look I started this thread (and quite a good thread it is) to try at get some use out of all the transport choppers. Most of the transports for the US side are used once or twice at the start of most maps and then left. For the other reams they seemed to be used as one man flag cappers.

You only want the BH beefed up? That is what you seem to be saying I'm not quite sure you seemed to be frothing at the mouth while you were typing........What about the maps where the chopper spawns can change hands just like Songhua Stalemate and Mashtuur City? Wouldn't that give the US an unfair advantage?


As for the different roles between the J10 and the F35 that was just Dice jerking you off and you fell for it :p

Different roles like what? they both fly but one roll is to be killed and the other is to kill

BTW for out readers..........

Just to add:

Would you like transport choppers changed ?

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Sorry Just got back to this thread. Somebody was saying some thing about Cs rush tactics? What the hell are CS Rush Tactics ? I'm going to say that it Caught Stupid Rush tactics. What ever the hell that is... Oh there seems to be a lot of post saying that I use these, according to my inbox. I should find the original poster ask her if a swift kick in the *** would be a good enough payment for such high praise. I mean I've been caught stupid plenty of time but make it seem like I was the pioneer of these Caught Stupid rush tactics is just uncalled for.

Haha classic, so you want the Blackhawk not to be better plus better AA? Stupid. And yes, it would help the USMC if the BH was buffed up, because like it is now, it's impossible to get anywhere with it. And the other choppers are usually just a nice extra whereas the US sometimes have to rely on it to get to land. Also it's funny that you mention 'more chopper whoring', because I rarely ever see anyone man a Blackhawk at all if not absolutely necessary, which could lead to the belief that it's a death trap. Funny when people speak like the are so intelligent and know everything and gonna 'pwn' all with their post, when really they should maybe check out the game before saying anything... you sounds just like another poor boy who got killed too often because he applied his CS 'rushing' tactics.

Ah here we are! Heres Mr. I can't handle reality so I Accuse other people use my tried and true tactics The " Caught Stupid Rush tactics". Listen Pal, Vintageologist, you <!--StartFragment -->Austrin **** bag why don't you go back to sodomizing a puppy? That is your ****ing worthless countrys nantional sport? No? How do you find the time to play bf2 when your playing your countrys nantional Sport.

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

they ought to think about beefing up the usmc jets and the mec jets they are absoloute pants against the j10

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Sorry never played CS.

Well, then whatever you played... may it be Goldeneye on N64. Basically, that was just to point out the general 'tactic' used by BF players.

What "they said about the F35 and J10" issue was after the patches, not before

Like... wtf are you talking about?
Ok....
Official Diceguy told us they can't make the F35 be equal to the J10 because of it's dual role.
I tell you, you can't/don't need to make the Blackhawk and the Hip equal because of the BHs role that is, like in the above situation, not quite similar to that of the other transport helos.

not like now, look at the poll options and the answers with the BH?!

I know, but since the Blackhawk nerfing brought up this topic (it didn't really exist before because noone really cared about the other choppers since they were not so important anyway)

You are talking crap, the BH was the bomb! It kicked ***! Players were standing around just to get in it!!!!!!!

I think I already mentioned what made the original BH so uber. Reread all my posts maybe...
Otoh people stand around tanks, APCs and planes aswell... soooo who cares anyway.

All transport shoud be the same, all jets should be equal :)

Wait... no. Because that's stupid as they have different roles. See... the MEC chopper's main usage is to bring carrier rapers to the carrier... it shouldn't have much stronger guns.

I like the way you RANTED after my post [/B]

OH ****! I RANTED! Now you have me! I was just pointing out your stupidity basically since you always make the same useless comments while the real problem is your lack of skill... I mean... it can't be that hard to kill a helicopter with two fly by wire AT missiles while it can only shoot at you from the sides... or... maybe... I don't know what the usual BF2 player is capable of X-D

No, I think he or She wrote a croppy post and failed to address the O.P. :hmm:

The original problem being........ ah yes, the transport helicopters are flying coffins (especially on U.S. side, at least that's where people are complaining)... yea... a usable minigun won't help there... better add a beaming capability... thank's for pointing out my error here!

Look at the answers the thread's question!!!!!

Better guns and armor? Only better guns? hmmm...



Btw for the other readers:
See how Dandred always tries to say things that don't really have to do with the topic but in his mind seem to make me look stupid/dumb/girly/whatever? This is what you should never do as it just shows you don't really have a point regarding the topic thus making yourself look stupid. Hope that helps.

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It's funny. Do you know what they said about the F35 and J10 issue? They can't just make the two equal so easy because the F35 has another role than the J10. Same about the Blackhawk. It's different. The others might be fine with more armor most of the time, but the Blackhawk needs to defend itself... of course another obvious part is that they infact are different beasts in RL. Because the Hip is usually guarded by Hinds while the BH flies alone...
The thing with the points is my favourite. I love it when people say that because it's so ridiculous.
The reason I wanted this game is because you'd have the full spectrum of modern warfare. That's what it was advertised with and that was basically how it was like in early versions.
Then, some kids who formerly played CS came and didn't understand there are things stronger than infantry (helicopters, planes, APCs etc...) and so they weren't as '1337' as they were in CS with their M4 or AK. That made them cry :cry:. But instead of telling their mum or becoming Emo, they decided to whine to DICE. And wow! It worked! DICE was so concentrated on nerfing all the vehicles so they'd totally forget to fix bugs or take out exploits like the bunny hopping or dolphin diving which do not fit into the description/flair of the game. Hey but who cares as long as you can now run blindlessly over open field without the danger of being picked on from above and the great freedom you have standing behind chain link fence while an APC is looking at you but unable to shoot trhough with the 25mm canon. Isn't that cool? And it's so much more fun than CS because now everyone can see your 1337 stats!

Sorry never played CS.

What "they said about the F35 and J10" issue was after the patches, not before not like now, look at the poll options and the answers with the BH?!

You are talking crap, the BH was the bomb! It kicked ***! Players were standing around just to get in it!!!!!!!

All transport shoud be the same, all jets should be equal :)


I like the way you RANTED after my post

I have no "1337 stats" thank you! Only a wonker would use the term 1337



:cry:...........

I think vintalogeoist has won this argument :p

No, I think he or She wrote a croppy post and failed to address the O.P. :hmm:

Look at the answers the thread's question!!!!!

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

I think vintalogeoist has won this argument :p

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

your point being?

Well... a single soldier is weak, an army of soldiers can be very strong, THAT is my point.

hug the terrian, or go really high.

Hug the terrain = If an enemy sees you, he can hit you easily. It's not like in r/l where you do that to avoid radar X-D
Go really high = your gunners can't hit **** because they don't even see the targets (which are for the BH mainly infantry units)

rock, paper, scissors is basically a term for balanced combine arms games. it means if armor gives infantry a problem, an air gives armor a problem, infantry should give air a problem.

O rly? I know what the term is, but it just doesn't work like that in modern combat. Sorry, that wouldn't justify the price for planes... would it?

and good heli pilots survive fine on those maps. name one map where transport helis have a problem getting somewhere that they couldnt avoid with better flying tactics?

Wake, Gulf: If they make it to land without being shot down by planes or helicopters, there are many many funny little people shooting at them with all kinds of guns... and we all know we can't shoot back... great.
Mashtur City: Fly from one end to the other without being shot AND drop your troops so they don't instantly die. (Remember, the MEC held points are mainly open terrain)

Those are already 3. And we're talking non-n00b enemy teams here.

ps im not against more accurate and deadly miniguns, im against them slaughtering even when blindfolded.

So where did I ever said that you should be able to spray blindfolded? I always wanted guns that hit the **** you are aiming at but do severe damage there, so people can't just stand in direct line to the gunner and shoot at him with their pistol... and you know that so why are you always trying to fight my arguments?

What about Songhua Stalemate?

I think you are being very naive, what about after the flags have been taken?

All sides shoud have choppers that counter each other, do you want the BH back just to get points? Or would you like to see a game that is balanced?

It's funny. Do you know what they said about the F35 and J10 issue? They can't just make the two equal so easy because the F35 has another role than the J10. Same about the Blackhawk. It's different. The others might be fine with more armor most of the time, but the Blackhawk needs to defend itself... of course another obvious part is that they infact are different beasts in RL. Because the Hip is usually guarded by Hinds while the BH flies alone...
The thing with the points is my favourite. I love it when people say that because it's so ridiculous.
The reason I wanted this game is because you'd have the full spectrum of modern warfare. That's what it was advertised with and that was basically how it was like in early versions.
Then, some kids who formerly played CS came and didn't understand there are things stronger than infantry (helicopters, planes, APCs etc...) and so they weren't as '1337' as they were in CS with their M4 or AK. That made them cry :cry:. But instead of telling their mum or becoming Emo, they decided to whine to DICE. And wow! It worked! DICE was so concentrated on nerfing all the vehicles so they'd totally forget to fix bugs or take out exploits like the bunny hopping or dolphin diving which do not fit into the description/flair of the game. Hey but who cares as long as you can now run blindlessly over open field without the danger of being picked on from above and the great freedom you have standing behind chain link fence while an APC is looking at you but unable to shoot trhough with the 25mm canon. Isn't that cool? And it's so much more fun than CS because now everyone can see your 1337 stats!

You kind of sound the same with the CS rushing tactics, I mean of course if you go right above the AA or try to cruise anywhere but the next flag you are going to die. I use the blackhawk to get around all the time if there isnt jets bombing the carrier, trick is to stay low to the ground and use your flares to dodge any AA that get a lucky lock. Anyways the reason its like this I think is because the blackhawk is a lot faster than a boat or any other transport since it can go over obstacles, so you need to use that ability to your advantage for defence as well.

How am I using CS rushing tactics when I'm just asking for better guns? There will be a moment eventually where the enemy sees you. And then you'll have to fight back. It's not like cruising carelessly around but you know not everyone plays on an empty 64 player server X-D

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Well by now they have already made them stronger but left the rest

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They should have buffed the guns and lowered the armor, made it so 1 at rocket downs the thing but it rapes infantry like 1.12. But it is a transport chopper afterall..

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well we get some armour back in 1.4, but we are still stuck with UTTERLY USELESS GUNS on all the choppers

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They need grenade, missile or rocket launchers. They also need to be equal the mec and chines guns suck commpared to the U.S. miniguns.