Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

[EliteRazgriz666]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

I think vintalogeoist has won this argument :p

[Dandred]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

It's funny. Do you know what they said about the F35 and J10 issue? They can't just make the two equal so easy because the F35 has another role than the J10. Same about the Blackhawk. It's different. The others might be fine with more armor most of the time, but the Blackhawk needs to defend itself... of course another obvious part is that they infact are different beasts in RL. Because the Hip is usually guarded by Hinds while the BH flies alone...
The thing with the points is my favourite. I love it when people say that because it's so ridiculous.
The reason I wanted this game is because you'd have the full spectrum of modern warfare. That's what it was advertised with and that was basically how it was like in early versions.
Then, some kids who formerly played CS came and didn't understand there are things stronger than infantry (helicopters, planes, APCs etc...) and so they weren't as '1337' as they were in CS with their M4 or AK. That made them cry :cry:. But instead of telling their mum or becoming Emo, they decided to whine to DICE. And wow! It worked! DICE was so concentrated on nerfing all the vehicles so they'd totally forget to fix bugs or take out exploits like the bunny hopping or dolphin diving which do not fit into the description/flair of the game. Hey but who cares as long as you can now run blindlessly over open field without the danger of being picked on from above and the great freedom you have standing behind chain link fence while an APC is looking at you but unable to shoot trhough with the 25mm canon. Isn't that cool? And it's so much more fun than CS because now everyone can see your 1337 stats!

Sorry never played CS.

What "they said about the F35 and J10" issue was after the patches, not before not like now, look at the poll options and the answers with the BH?!

You are talking crap, the BH was the bomb! It kicked ***! Players were standing around just to get in it!!!!!!!

All transport shoud be the same, all jets should be equal :)


I like the way you RANTED after my post

I have no "1337 stats" thank you! Only a wonker would use the term 1337



:cry:...........

I think vintalogeoist has won this argument :p

No, I think he or She wrote a croppy post and failed to address the O.P. :hmm:

Look at the answers the thread's question!!!!!

[Vintageologist]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

Sorry never played CS.

Well, then whatever you played... may it be Goldeneye on N64. Basically, that was just to point out the general 'tactic' used by BF players.

What "they said about the F35 and J10" issue was after the patches, not before

Like... wtf are you talking about?
Ok....
Official Diceguy told us they can't make the F35 be equal to the J10 because of it's dual role.
I tell you, you can't/don't need to make the Blackhawk and the Hip equal because of the BHs role that is, like in the above situation, not quite similar to that of the other transport helos.

not like now, look at the poll options and the answers with the BH?!

I know, but since the Blackhawk nerfing brought up this topic (it didn't really exist before because noone really cared about the other choppers since they were not so important anyway)

You are talking crap, the BH was the bomb! It kicked ***! Players were standing around just to get in it!!!!!!!

I think I already mentioned what made the original BH so uber. Reread all my posts maybe...
Otoh people stand around tanks, APCs and planes aswell... soooo who cares anyway.

All transport shoud be the same, all jets should be equal :)

Wait... no. Because that's stupid as they have different roles. See... the MEC chopper's main usage is to bring carrier rapers to the carrier... it shouldn't have much stronger guns.

I like the way you RANTED after my post [/B]

OH ****! I RANTED! Now you have me! I was just pointing out your stupidity basically since you always make the same useless comments while the real problem is your lack of skill... I mean... it can't be that hard to kill a helicopter with two fly by wire AT missiles while it can only shoot at you from the sides... or... maybe... I don't know what the usual BF2 player is capable of X-D

No, I think he or She wrote a croppy post and failed to address the O.P. :hmm:

The original problem being........ ah yes, the transport helicopters are flying coffins (especially on U.S. side, at least that's where people are complaining)... yea... a usable minigun won't help there... better add a beaming capability... thank's for pointing out my error here!

Look at the answers the thread's question!!!!!

Better guns and armor? Only better guns? hmmm...



Btw for the other readers:
See how Dandred always tries to say things that don't really have to do with the topic but in his mind seem to make me look stupid/dumb/girly/whatever? This is what you should never do as it just shows you don't really have a point regarding the topic thus making yourself look stupid. Hope that helps.

[scott097]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

they ought to think about beefing up the usmc jets and the mec jets they are absoloute pants against the j10

[steel_x]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

Sorry Just got back to this thread. Somebody was saying some thing about Cs rush tactics? What the hell are CS Rush Tactics ? I'm going to say that it Caught Stupid Rush tactics. What ever the hell that is... Oh there seems to be a lot of post saying that I use these, according to my inbox. I should find the original poster ask her if a swift kick in the *** would be a good enough payment for such high praise. I mean I've been caught stupid plenty of time but make it seem like I was the pioneer of these Caught Stupid rush tactics is just uncalled for.

Haha classic, so you want the Blackhawk not to be better plus better AA? Stupid. And yes, it would help the USMC if the BH was buffed up, because like it is now, it's impossible to get anywhere with it. And the other choppers are usually just a nice extra whereas the US sometimes have to rely on it to get to land. Also it's funny that you mention 'more chopper whoring', because I rarely ever see anyone man a Blackhawk at all if not absolutely necessary, which could lead to the belief that it's a death trap. Funny when people speak like the are so intelligent and know everything and gonna 'pwn' all with their post, when really they should maybe check out the game before saying anything... you sounds just like another poor boy who got killed too often because he applied his CS 'rushing' tactics.

Ah here we are! Heres Mr. I can't handle reality so I Accuse other people use my tried and true tactics The " Caught Stupid Rush tactics". Listen Pal, Vintageologist, you <!--StartFragment -->Austrin **** bag why don't you go back to sodomizing a puppy? That is your ****ing worthless countrys nantional sport? No? How do you find the time to play bf2 when your playing your countrys nantional Sport.

[Dandred]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

Ok....
Official Diceguy told us they can't make the F35 be equal to the J10 because of it's dual role.
I tell you, you can't/don't need to make the Blackhawk and the Hip equal because of the BHs role that is, like in the above situation, not quite similar to that of the other transport helos.


I know, but since the Blackhawk nerfing brought up this topic (it didn't really exist before because noone really cared about the other choppers since they were not so important anyway)


I think I already mentioned what made the original BH so uber. Reread all my posts maybe...
Otoh people stand around tanks, APCs and planes aswell... soooo who cares anyway.



Wait... no. Because that's stupid as they have different roles. See... the MEC chopper's main usage is to bring carrier rapers to the carrier... it shouldn't have much stronger guns.

OH ****! I RANTED! Now you have me! I was just pointing out your stupidity basically since you always make the same useless comments while the real problem is your lack of skill... I mean... it can't be that hard to kill a helicopter with two fly by wire AT missiles while it can only shoot at you from the sides... or... maybe... I don't know what the usual BF2 player is capable of X-D



The original problem being........ ah yes, the transport helicopters are flying coffins (especially on U.S. side, at least that's where people are complaining)... yea... a usable minigun won't help there... better add a beaming capability... thank's for pointing out my error here!


Better guns and armor? Only better guns? hmmm...



Btw for the other readers:
See how Dandred always tries to say things that don't really have to do with the topic but in his mind seem to make me look stupid/dumb/girly/whatever? This is what you should never do as it just shows you don't really have a point regarding the topic thus making yourself look stupid. Hope that helps.

Christ you wrote loads of stuff I don't even know which aprt to reply to!!!

Look I started this thread (and quite a good thread it is) to try at get some use out of all the transport choppers. Most of the transports for the US side are used once or twice at the start of most maps and then left. For the other reams they seemed to be used as one man flag cappers.

You only want the BH beefed up? That is what you seem to be saying I'm not quite sure you seemed to be frothing at the mouth while you were typing........What about the maps where the chopper spawns can change hands just like Songhua Stalemate and Mashtuur City? Wouldn't that give the US an unfair advantage?


As for the different roles between the J10 and the F35 that was just Dice jerking you off and you fell for it :p

Different roles like what? they both fly but one roll is to be killed and the other is to kill

BTW for out readers..........

Just to add:

Would you like transport choppers changed ?

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[Roger Smith]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

All sides shoud have choppers that counter each other, do you want the BH back just to get points? Or would you like to see a game that is balanced?

the old miniguns on the blackhawk were not balanced. if reverting them and giving the mec/pla thier own versions means beefing up, count me out. if they were to be made more accurate and or stronger i would have no problem. but no transport of any game should have weapons that can slaughter while blindfolded. so you say, thats how they are irl. well a heavy at missile will kill a blackhawk instantly irl. so you get the real minigun, i get to take you down in one at shot, your choice. i think id rather have armor since its a transport.

they ought to think about beefing up the usmc jets and the mec jets they are absoloute pants against the j10

beefing up or nerfing anything wont fix the underlying problems with aa, heatsources and hitboxes.

[NuclearRecord]

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isnt it so annoying when your in a plane and all you heat guided missile go through the middle?

[EliteRazgriz666]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

Well contrary to wat u might say roger, the poll shows the majority of this forum want the guns beefed up, wat i say now is that a more precise poll should b made directly focusin on HOW the guns should b improved(splash damage, accuracy, speed, damage)

[Roger Smith]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

Well contrary to wat u might say roger, the poll shows the majority of this forum want the guns beefed up, wat i say now is that a more precise poll should b made directly focusin on HOW the guns should b improved(splash damage, accuracy, speed, damage)

the majority of people liked whoring the bh because they like free points, the majority of people didnt want squad cycling removed because they like to whore. the majority of people want to dolphin dive, and bunny hop all with no fire delay or loss of accuracy. the majority is bollocks.

they are adding armor and armor is needed for the vehicle to accomplish its mission. guns are not needed to do that mission.

[imported_WereWolf]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

Beef up everything on BH, Specially the splatter damage,

[steel_x]

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Why not make the chopper have missle pods while were screwing with it. Then every body would use it.

[Dandred]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

the old miniguns on the blackhawk were not balanced. if reverting them and giving the mec/pla thier own versions means beefing up, count me out. if they were to be made more accurate and or stronger i would have no problem. but no transport of any game should have weapons that can slaughter while blindfolded. so you say, thats how they are irl. well a heavy at missile will kill a blackhawk instantly irl. so you get the real minigun, i get to take you down in one at shot, your choice. i think id rather have armor since its a transport.

beefing up or nerfing anything wont fix the underlying problems with aa, heatsources and hitboxes.

I didn't say I though the BH guns should be brought back to their original power.... I only suggested "Beefing up transpot choppers"

I don't want to go back the the insane rape of the BH , I just want all the transport chopers to be usefull..........

And I think having a little fire power on all helis is a good thing........

Transport choppers don't really do anything usefull at the moment, apart from take some dude across the map and ditch it........

[Roger Smith]

Re: Beefing up Transport Choppers on all sides?

Beef up everything on BH, Specially the splatter damage,

just beef the splash? how much? as much as beta1?

I don't want to go back the the insane rape of the BH , I just want all the transport chopers to be usefull..........

ever try shooting with a steady pilot? anyhow, i wouldnt mind more accuracy and damage, OR even a small increase in splash damage, i just think its not needed, and nobody has actually tried to voip coordinate a gunner and pilot squad. i think everyone just wants to pepper an area and kill everyone in it. but im glad you arent one of those people. as for mec and pla, they got 50 cals, so they can agress vehicles.

[Vintageologist]

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Sorry Just got back to this thread. Somebody was saying some thing about Cs rush tactics? What the hell are CS Rush Tactics ? I'm going to say that it Caught Stupid Rush tactics. What ever the hell that is... Oh there seems to be a lot of post saying that I use these, according to my inbox. I should find the original poster ask her if a swift kick in the *** would be a good enough payment for such high praise. I mean I've been caught stupid plenty of time but make it seem like I was the pioneer of these Caught Stupid rush tactics is just uncalled for.

Well, since you're an obvious n00b, CS is Counter Strike which has gone through a similar evolution. First it was a cool tactic shooter, then came the kids and ruined it.

Ah here we are! Heres Mr. I can't handle reality

Strange, my suggestions for the Blackhawks gatlings seem more realistic than what we have now...

so I Accuse other people use my tried and true tactics The " Caught Stupid Rush tactics". Listen Pal, Vintageologist, you <!--StartFragment -->Austrin **** bag why don't you go back to sodomizing a puppy? That is your ****ing worthless countrys nantional sport? No? How do you find the time to play bf2 when your playing your countrys nantional Sport.

Haha the end it all statement. See, everything you said is completely worthless to any half mature reader after this. Sorry, you've lost the argument my little friend. And you should learn how to write too because it might help you bringing what you want to say across better...

Christ you wrote loads of stuff I don't even know which aprt to reply to!!!

The reason I have to write so much is that it seems to be quite hard for some people here to understand my more than obvious points

Look I started this thread (and quite a good thread it is) to try at get some use out of all the transport choppers. Most of the transports for the US side are used once or twice at the start of most maps and then left. For the other reams they seemed to be used as one man flag cappers.

"Most of the transports for the US side are used once or twice at the start of most maps and then left." that's exactly the point! Noone wants to use them! I mean if we put all our experiences with the game away and all... just looking at a new game lying there... shouldn't transport helicopters be a badass interesting feature in such a game? YES! But after the first dissapointing usage, noone really wants to fly them anymore... it's saver to take a long walk or swim...
See, it's not like I am saying all this stuff because I alone think so... there have been threads at BF3s and EA forum too and many people want ESPECIALLY the Blackhawk guns to be buffed up again.
But I never ever said you shouldn't give the others upgrades too, but for their role (which isn't neccessarily attacking caps and giving support fire, but rather bringing people from one end of the map to another) more armor is fine.

You only want the BH beefed up? That is what you seem to be saying I'm not quite sure you seemed to be frothing at the mouth while you were typing........

Nope, I NEVER said that. Look above. But well it seems like you're too much concentrated on acting 'cool' to understand what I am saying.:laugh:

What about the maps where the chopper spawns can change hands just like Songhua Stalemate and Mashtuur City? Wouldn't that give the US an unfair advantage?

Uhm yes... the spawns can be captured... so? What's the advantage there? (I mean other than the obvious one, having another place to spawn for US players)

As for the different roles between the J10 and the F35 that was just Dice jerking you off and you fell for it :p

Even if so, that means nothing in the game has to be equal thus again making your arguments weaker.

Different roles like what? they both fly but one roll is to be killed and the other is to kill

Ok. The looooong explanation.

The Blackhawk:
Usually, the USMC starts in the attacking role (for the slower ones: this is when USMC for example only has the carrier or the airbase at Cleansweep and is losing tickets from the start), which means they have to have something the can use to get troops to capture enemy CPs. Usually, those CPs are guarded. Now we all know (or obviously not) that defending places is usually easier than attacking (if you don't believe me read up in history books) -> the U.S. need a tool to surpress enemy defenders while their troops are moving in. this thing was called Blackhawk back then. People would drop out while the Blackhawk would maintain cover fire for them to get the flag. That's what I want back.
The Hip and the Chinese one:
The MEC and Chinese, as the logical result of the USMC's attacking role, are on defense. Defense often requires people to be flexible on where they are (for example, the first attack is on one end of the island, the second on the other side). Long story short, they need a fast transport -> their transport choppers! Yes! So because they are basically used to transport people around over friendly territory, they usually don't need to gun down anyone. But since they lack firepower, they are prone to be targeted by attacking enemy pilots-> they get more armor!

And for the maps where there are equally numbers of held CPs (SS, Mashtur City).
On these maps more armor or better guns are about equal though different upgrades.
Armor: We have city and forest environments, so quite much space for hiding and shooting giving the pilot a hard time figuring out where the shooter is, so armor comes in handy.
Guns: Clearing out at least those who make the mistake and don't attack from cover compensates for less armor.

Just to add:

Would you like transport choppers changed ?

<table class="tborder" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="alt1" width="50%">Yes! Beef up the guns and armour. </td> <td class="alt2" width="50%"> </td> <td class="alt1" title="Votes" align="center">121</td> <td class="alt2" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">40.60%</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="alt1" width="50%"> Only beef up the guns. </td> <td class="alt2" width="50%"> </td> <td class="alt1" title="Votes" align="center">105</td> <td class="alt2" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">35.23%</td></tr></tbody></table>

What does that change about what I've been saying here? It's obvious that beefing up both on every chopper would be a bit too much, so those who need armor get armor, and those who need guns get guns. Easy as that.
Btw I also voted for both although I never meant to give any chooper both.

but no transport of any game should have weapons that can slaughter while blindfolded. so you say, thats how they are irl.

No, they don not spray that much IRL... have you ever played Allied Intend mod? Red Devil is promoting it here all the time, so I downloaded it. The transport Blackhawk there (they have two, the transport like in BF2 and the one from early ads with the rocket pods) has pretty much the guns I was talking about: Accurate and deadly at the target, but without the spray. You hit what you aim at. If you're good, you kill, if not, you don't.
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I don't want to go back the the insane rape of the BH , I just want all the transport chopers to be usefull..........

Basically what I said about the "Beefing up guns and armor" option. That was basically what it was. It had good guns and good armor + what was basically most important: IT COULD BE REPAIRED IN FLIGHT IN 2SECS
THAT was probably why a more or less uncoordinated team could not take it down. BEcause it was constantly repaired. Tanks are strong too (I hope they don't get nerfed now that I've said it) but the reason they get killed is that they don't have unlimited health. The old BH OTOH basically had unlimited health if it had one or more Engis on board.