Macros, yay or nay.

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

The point isn't if we consider it cheating or not, there are rules out there, and the rules infrigment causes your stats (virtually) cleared; "virtually" because in most cases EA doesn't care at all, but now imagine they really do their job (stats reset of *ANY* cheater), the questio is: does these "macro guys" risks their stats AKA they are cheaters? Not they aren't... why? Because a keyboard like a G15 is "reccomended" by Electronic Arts for BF2 (their word), on the G15 box there's a sentence: "improve your game.... blablabla", now imagine someone that doesn't know this board, or the community at all... thay guy paied for a "reccomended" keyboard to "improve" his game "skill", then he is "authorized" to use all the keyboard features.
Call it a "legalized cheat", but these guys cannot be accused of any cheating... they are just using what THEY asked to (buy and) use.
Then whenever you are 100% sure that someone is using a macro, you cannot do ANYTHING, because he is authorized to do so... oh well you may do one thing really: go out and buy a G15.

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

Cheating, simple as. What I don't get is how people that use macros for all their game functions and button combinations actually get any fun out of the game. How boring and pointless is pressing one button to pull off a whole move that would usually take skills and effort????
As Talus said, using macros is basically castrating yourself when it comes to competitionss etc.. as your screwed because you aren't well practised without macros and end up sucking!!!!
I have never used a macro on an online game and never will. As you americans would say: 'PERIOD'

Re: Macros, yay or nay? - No, GAY

So since you don't own one, everyone that does is now a cheater ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_online_games

Please point out the "Hardware that everyone can buy cheat"

Its right next to the "wallhack anyone can download", i dont know how you could have missed it.

Its cheating.

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So then someone with say an AMD 4800 Dual core and 2 Nvidia 7900's in an SLI setup is cheating since they can process information so much faster than those of us running simple 64 bit X3200 processors? If anyone who wants to use it can...IT'S NOT A CHEAT!!!!!! crack open the wallet and pick up a G-15.

bad example.
As long as your tower components dont lag you up and keep things fluid then your fine.
Not one of those examples help game play except the peripherals(sp?)

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

I feel that macro's are fine under some restrictions.

If the actions could be performed normally during gameplay, then the macro is alright.

Example: switch to medic bag, toss one bag, switch to primary weapon
Example: switch to grenade, toss one grenade, switch to primary weapon

If the actions could NOT be normally performed during normal gameplay, then the macro is NOT alright.

Example: Repeated actions by holding down a key.
Example: Key combinations which can NOT be done.

Thats just my .02

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

NAY!! any one else use the G15 keyboard? I've yet to find any thing to use my macros on it lol

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

So then someone with say an AMD 4800 Dual core and 2 Nvidia 7900's in an SLI setup is cheating since they can process information so much faster than those of us running simple 64 bit X3200 processors? If anyone who wants to use it can...IT'S NOT A CHEAT!!!!!! crack open the wallet and pick up a G-15.

You think that is a legit argument? Are you dumb?

Hardware in your tower doesn't make you a better player. If you have some PC that can barely run the game and you get 15 fps, that's a different story. Your argument makes no sense.

Having a good computer doesn't do anything when it comes to skill. I could have an awesome computer and still suck. I could have a junk computer and still be good.

Your components allow you to play the game. Your PC peripherals including your keyboard really affect how you play.

Macro Keyboard vs. Non-Macro keyboard. One enhances one's ability, one doesn't.

How does a 7900 affect your ability to play the game versus a 5900 or something? It doesn't make you a better player. Your game has the ability to look better visually, that's it.

I have no idea what you were thinking when you came up with that lame argument. You should slap yourself, lol.

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So then someone with say an AMD 4800 Dual core and 2 Nvidia 7900's in an SLI setup is cheating since they can process information so much faster than those of us running simple 64 bit X3200 processors? If anyone who wants to use it can...IT'S NOT A CHEAT!!!!!! crack open the wallet and pick up a G-15.

Sorry, that's no justification for cheating. I started playing BF2 with a Radeon 9700 Pro, low graphics settings all the way. It wasn't pretty, but I was always at the top of the scoreboard. Now at a 7600GT, nothing has changed in regards to my scoring abilities, I just look better while I'm doing it. However I'll agree hardware can cripple you if you're lagging, but that's just an inescapable fact of video games. On a side note, if anything low graphics settings do help quite a bit when it comes spotting enemies shadows and grass do no conceal them.

Just because the macroing function is on the keyboard doesn't make it legitimate. People have this strange idea in their head that the moment something is detached from your computer it automatically makes it O.K. You could easily create an aimbot keyboard that has a memory chip and drivers and hooks the games code and uses standard aimbot techniques. But it's ok right because it's on the keyboard and not software running in the background?

Oh, and if you're buying a G15 just for the macro functions you're an idiot. Much more flexible, responsive and sophisticated macroing programs exist that make the Logitech macros look primitive and slow by comparison.

Bottom line is you won't see anybody using a keyboard/software macro in any competition, whether it be casual fun or a serious tournement. That fact alone pretty much labels it a cheat in my book without exception.

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

So then someone with say an AMD 4800 Dual core and 2 Nvidia 7900's in an SLI setup is cheating since they can process information so much faster than those of us running simple 64 bit X3200 processors? If anyone who wants to use it can...IT'S NOT A CHEAT!!!!!! crack open the wallet and pick up a G-15.

Re: Macros, yay or nay? - No, GAY

No, that is just erroneous post hoc, ergo procter hoc. What I am saying is that people are using these keyboards to gain an unfair advantage by using the macro feature to have the computer make multiple keystrokes for them faster than they otherwise would be able to. And that is cheating.

So since you don't own one, everyone that does is now a cheater ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_online_games

Please point out the "Hardware that everyone can buy cheat"

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But the problem is that everyone has access to it, all you have to do is go buy one. I'd say that someone with a Dual core AMD 4800 with 2 Nvidia 7800's or 7900's in SLI gains much more of an advantage over others that the G-15 owners. It apperas that the same crowd that's screaming "Cheaters" is the same crowd that has brought this game to where it is today....Borked! First the Blackhawks were too strong, now they're usless and sit empty on most maps, than it was the Air craft are too strong...etc, now it's the scream of cheating since you bought a better keyboard....get use to technology or get out of the pilots seat!

Re: Macros, yay or nay.

I'm on the fence with this. Cheating is using anything outside of the game (program wise) to get an upperhand. Macros from a keyboard is just using one of the functions that comes with the keyboard. However, they allow you to do things you can't with a normal keyboard.

Is it fair that someone just has to move their mouse during TV guiding instead of clicking it too? No. Is it fair that some people actually have to press several buttons to pull off "moves" whereas some press 1, No.

They have an advantage because they bought some special keyboard. If you need a macro to TV guide, you probably suck. If you need a macro to help you dolphin dive, once again, you suck.

I do everything manually. Finding out someone is pressing an "easy" button is pathetic. I won't go as far to call them cheaters, but they are pathetic.

The only way I will accept some macro user is if they're over 50 or have some bad arthritis.

Re: Macros, yay or nay? - No, GAY

So, we should all go buy a keyboard that has macro abilities so we can all cheat like the other cheaters???

Yeah, right.

So since you don't own one, everyone that does is now a cheater ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_online_games

Please point out the "Hardware that everyone can buy cheat"

Re: Macros, yay or nay? - No, GAY

So, we should all go buy a keyboard that has macro abilities so we can all cheat like the other cheaters???

Yeah, right.

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I fail to see how the evolution of the gaming keyboard becomes cheating since everyone can go buy one. By saying that it gives and unfair advantage is pure b.s. Some of us don't have jobs where we work on computers all day and are at top typing speeds, I have enuf trouble finding any key let alone a 2 or 3 key sequence. So if you're saying that the skill in a game comes from your typing ability....hogwash! There have been many improvements in gaming keyboards ie: Z-board layouts, etc: If you feel like you're losing to a player using macros, than go buy yourself a G-15, or do I have the same complaint about people with faster processors and videocards?