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[DosX]

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There's a big difference between mapping and macros...

Actually, there is no difference at all.

Macro's are keymappings. They just happen to have more then one key mapped to the same button/key.

The point I was trying to make is that the Wingman software is third party and *could* be used to make a macro. Is it therfore considered illegal?

What about the Nostromo software package. It's *very* easy to set up macros by assigning (mapping) keystrokes to the Nostromo keypad. Is that third party software considered illegal??

§ Items not included in this list would be up to EA & DICE to interpret.

THAT'S the bottom line. From other EA games (Ultima Online), they took the stance that "things you could achieve through normal game play would NOT be considered illegal".

What that means is a BF2 macro to:

1 - Change to grenade
2 - Toss one grenade
3 - Change back to primary gun

Would NOT be considered illegal. It's a normal function of the game and could be done easily as well with OR without the macro.

However, performing some action(s) that wouldn't be normally achievable WOULD be considered illegal.

An example of that would be:

1 - Prone
2 - Jump
3 - Constantly Repeat

Which was illegally used by many until a recent patch.

[-=TxG=-Phoenix]

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§1.3 You may not change (hack) any core games files, load into memory or employ external programs or cheats for the purposes of giving yourself an unfair advantage over other players.

This would include but not limited to:
§ MSX and other 3rd party software. (this does include macros)

I don't care what people want others to believe, MACOS are not "third party" and can not be considered a cheat!

The ability to bind keys is built into windows and is called “Macros”. This has been around since DOS 3.11 and before windows!

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

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Wow!

After adding that in, that is EXACTLY what I was hoping it would be. The G36E can fire hella fast now (its like a 10 shot burst [or however many "clicks" of the scroll wheel you can get out in one motion] in under a second.. lol).

It makes it so that even with the fastest machine guns, you can stay on automatic, and still have a controlled single-shot...pretty awesome. With the pistol, its easier to go full speed AND control where you are aiming more accurately.

The only problem is, like the guy that figured out how to do it said, if you go TOO fast, it will only register one or two shots.. and too slow.. well.. its just slow. You need to find the "in-between" speed.

Basically to get over this, instead of doing a fast downward "flick", you would do more of a "roll" of your finger (its still very fast, just slow enough so it registers every shot).

That would be cool if there was a way to get rid of that speed block thing..

[IVfluids]

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well, you could try messing with the mouse wheel settings in windows. i am not sure how the mousewheel settings are reflected in game, but it is worth a try. Check 'Control Panel'->'Mouse'->'Wheel'

I think if you turned the number lower, it would take less wheel movement to make a shot, and you turned it higher it would take more movement. So maybe you could adjust it to a setting that would work for you at your normal scroll rate. Again, this will affect your scroll rate in windows also, if you use the wheel for that a lot while reading the boards.

No promises on the above statement, as I have not tried it.

i know that your mouse sensitivity settings in windows directly affects your settings in game. but that has an up and down, the more sensitive you make it, the more pixels your cross-hair will jump over on the screen, so you lose accuracy but it takes less movement to do things. great if you fly jets and dogfight a lot, bad if your a precision shooter or sniper.

[Fourty-Fizzle]

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§1.3 You may not change (hack) any core games files, load into memory or employ external programs or cheats for the purposes of giving yourself an unfair advantage over other players.

This would include but not limited to:
§ MSX and other 3rd party software. (this does include macros)

If in saying this they mean its only considered against the rules if the macro is used to cheat, i agree.

However, if they are saying any 3rd party software, and or macros are considered cheating, they are wrong. Period.

If it is their opinion that running any 3rd party software is considered cheating, then anyone who has basic mouse software installed allowing them to change mouse accelleration would be considered cheating.

If I used logitech software to turn my mouse acceleration all the way up, allowing me to turn 180 in the game very fast to shoot someone behind me, it would give me an advantage over someone who doesnt have their mouse accelleration up as high as it can go and gets killed before they can turn 180.

Its not cheating, in any way, shape or form, no matter what any document says.

[WarGimp]

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Its not cheating, in any way, shape or form, no matter what any document says.

You got it a little backwards there chummer.

It doesn't matter what you think or what logic you'd like to apply, if that document says something it's the RULE. You don't get to dictate the rules to EA, they dictate 'em to you.

[lostinspace]

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You got it a little backwards there chummer.

It doesn't matter what you think or what logic you'd like to apply, if that document says something it's the RULE. You don't get to dictate the rules to EA, they dictate 'em to you.

They are open to interpretation...
I cannot find the word 'macro' in the ROE...

[WarGimp]

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They are open to interpretation...
I cannot find the word 'macro' in the ROE...

A macro is an App. It's a very simple app, but it's an app.

§1.3 You may not change (hack) any core games files, load into memory or employ external programs or cheats for the purposes of giving yourself an unfair advantage over other players.

This would include but not limited to:
§ MSX and other 3rd party software. (this does include macros)

I don't see a lot of room for interpretation there.

[lostinspace]

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A macro is an App. It's a very simple app, but it's an app.


I don't see a lot of room for interpretation there.

You interpret a macro to be an app (application?)...
I would like a source for that claim...

Furthermore you quote IndianScout, who does not qoute any ROE I read...
Or does anyone have an official ROE source with the word macro in it..?

[WarGimp]

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You interpret a macro to be an app (application?)...
I would like a source for that claim...

Ok. Two things.
One, an "App" is a set of instructions that does something. A macro is a set of instructions that does something. Thus Macro = App. It's a very simple app, but it's an app.
Two, most macros need to be run by something. Say, and Nostromo/G15/Logitech profiler. What would you call that profiling software? Yup, it's an APP!

Don't try to rationalise this. No matter how hard you want to argue, you can't change a fact. Bottom line is this: If you wanna play the game and be proud of your skills, you should be playing on a level field. Your skill should be in your head and hands, not in your code.

[XmetallicaXguitarstX]

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changing a key binding is way different than a macro.

[lostinspace]

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Ok. Two things.
One, an "App" is a set of instructions that does something. A macro is a set of instructions that does something. Thus Macro = App. It's a very simple app, but it's an app.
Two, most macros need to be run by something. Say, and Nostromo/G15/Logitech profiler. What would you call that profiling software? Yup, it's an APP!

Don't try to rationalise this. No matter how hard you want to argue, you can't change a fact. Bottom line is this: If you wanna play the game and be proud of your skills, you should be playing on a level field. Your skill should be in your head and hands, not in your code.

ThanX for beeing adult about this subject WarGimp...

You are right about the fact, that arguing about this will not change any minds...

Instead of that, I will leave you all with a gift to even the field and maybe even show that BF2 simply allowes for some userfriendly things to be done, macro or otherwise...

When I got the Nostromo, it did not take me long to start double binding keys with the use of the Nostromo profiler software (using the macro function of the profiler)...

An example of this so called double (or quadro) binding would be that I programmed the following functions:
Jump/Parashute/Position 2 in vehicles/and F9 (inside view),
into 1 macro key...
The performed action of that 1 key would depend on wether I was walking, falling through the air or sitting in a vehicle...

I had no ill intensions by doing this, I just thought Dice didn't think well enough about how they set up the default keys and I had a Nostromo
I felt the game could be played using a lot less keys and I managed to at least minimize use keys by 2/3...

This certainly gave me a great advantage...

Then I started to lean to edit the controls.con and noticed that the exact same can be done by changing the keys of above funtions in this file to one and the same activation key...

In short, I don't know if editing the controls.con would be considered a cheat, eventhough I used notepad (a 3rd party app) to edit...



For all interested, see my thread here:
http://www.forumplanet.com/planetbat...id=1671636&p=1
To learn to edit the controls.con and start quadro binding your keys like I have...

Everybody can do this..!

[WarGimp]

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Editing the control config file isn't the same as using macros... but it IS editing game files. I can't see it really being a big deal tho. Doing multi-funtion comand binds is nothing compaired to some of the stuff I tried out with my Notromo (never used 'em on-line, 'cause I just don't work that way).

I was about to list some of 'em, but... ah, I'd rather not give people ideas.

[Hu.Z_of_PLA]

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as you can see, automatic fire 900 RPM m16 and G36e is NOT possible to achieve under normal gaming condition, so the ROF bind is actually illegal.

[Fourty-Fizzle]

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You got it a little backwards there chummer.

It doesn't matter what you think or what logic you'd like to apply, if that document says something it's the RULE. You don't get to dictate the rules to EA, they dictate 'em to you.

See, the issue truly comes from you not trully knowing what you are talking about.

You can be a clan member, have 3300+ posts, and be able to school me in a game any day of the week, but in this case, you have no clue what you are saying.

If I have my "E" key set as use, and i walk over by where a tank would respawn and push the e key as fast as I can waiting for that tank, is it cheating?

If I go into the nostromo software and make a macro that does the exact same thing, with the exact same timings, and set it such that when i hold down a key, it simulates me pushing e, that is cheating?

No. Here is why its not cheating: Because I could accomplish the same, exact thing without the macro. With or without the macro, the absolute exact same result can be reached, in the exact same amount of time.

Ok. Two things.
One, an "App" is a set of instructions that does something. A macro is a set of instructions that does something. Thus Macro = App. It's a very simple app, but it's an app.

This is where you start to talk about something you dont understand, and consiquently, sound foolish. A macro written in VB could be considered an app of sorts, but then its not a macro, its an app. The macros we are talking about are not "code", and to call them an app is a huge streach.

EA is not God, and in this case, you can recite any rule you please, but that doesnt mean the rule is right. Infact, i would be willing to bet that atleast 1 developer at EA has and uses a speedpad or similar device.

Is it cheating for me to have very nice sound surround sound system setup that gives me an advantage of being able to hear whats going on behind me, to my left, and to my right? How about a better video card that gives me a framerate advantage?

C'mon, get a clue, its not cheating . If you personally dont like them, thats fine, done use them. No harm done there. Its your opinion, and you are fully entitled to it.