Shielding CS:S

[lockhart]

g00se025 wrote..

the shield would be way better if the more highpowered guns could shoot thru it, or at least wear it down so that it wouldnt be usable. WHOA the para could be used for something!!!

and besides, i somehow doubt that the shield could absorb an awm bullet....



and all u losers that say that u are "skilled" are basically saying that your whole life revolves around a VIDEO GAME; something that is not real. Dont make fun of people who play cs for fun just cuz u got made fun of in the locker room cuz u couldnt bench your own body weight or see your wang under your gut.

And you're posting on a Counter-Strike fan site. Just a little hypocritical don't you think?

[Linux]

someone kill me... I need to really stop posting but, damn it CSNation, Why didn't you put a Poll about the Shield, not about CS:S... Sigh, they ruined it, CS's fun has been ruined for ever and ever until something is done.

[dguinta1]

Keep it but add something for the T' to counter act it. I find it very useful on a T-biased map such as militia.



Rock out!

[Timoz]

REMOVE IT FFS !!!!!!!

[Thortok2000]

In response to #631



You forgot autosnipers, those are commonly disabled too.



Also it'd be fun to play 'knives only' where everything else is disabled. Or other such things. SMGS only. Shotguns only. Etc.



For main play, no you don't need to disable m4/ak/awp/mp5 (although it'd be fun to see a server that did). But it's nice to have the option.



In response to #632



Say something useful and/or stop repeating yourself. You're almost a 5 percent of this thread simply by yourself.



In response to #634



The skill is in your enemies and not in you. It shouldn't take two brain cells to realize not to waste your clip.



In response to #639



You act as if that's a bad thing. I don't like the whole 'lone gunman' aspect of CS and am glad that 1 person can't hold off four. This is a team game with team tactics and team strategies and I want it to stay that way.



In response to #643



And, at the time, how many of that same group wanted bunny hopping to stay or the awp delay to be recalled? Majority doesn't equal logically correct; that's the reason why petitiononline does absolutely nothing, ever.



Shielder defusing is already a bug in my opinion. You should either not be able to defuse with a shield (have the m4 defuse and the shielder cover) or you can't have it closed while defusing. That's the only issue with the shield on DE maps that I can see.

[entRo]

Again, the question is, what would you think about them removing the shield?



It wouldn't be a vast gameplay change, but it'd be a change for the good if anything.



Like lockhart said, getting killed by people that just plain suck is the most annoying thing in the game, of course it'll happen every now and then but it happens far too frequently now. You keep the shield and you just give another way for crappy players to take out people that are far better than them.



Whoever called me a noob for not knowing how to kill shielders, yea, it's not hard to kill a lone shielder. How often do you see a shielder alone? Unless you can put walls between yourself and the shielder, and isolate another enemy, you're pretty screwed. It's near impossible to hit a shielder from the front even if he's firing shots at you.



I don't mind adapting to change, when that change reflects the skill of a player. What skill does the shield require to use? If you can already aim, the shield is like a given extra. It doesn't take any skill to carry it, move with it, or right click and remove it. Timing of when to shoot is NOT a skill, it's fucking common sense. You see a T reloading, alone. If you have to consciously think "maybe i should shoot at him", get your ass to school. Right now.



Now let's talk about league play. I know most people on here don't care about league play, which is sad whether they play for it or not. But anyway, a shield allowed in league play would mess things up so much. Most firefights in league play occur at long range, much too far to circle around a shielder. All the shield player has to do is stand there while you throw a nade at him that takes him down to 60 hp, and his teammates can either A) try to kill you and succeed B) try to kill you and fail, in which case the shielder will just shoot you in the back.



Imagine this: You're playing a CAL-m match (I know, it'll never happen but bear with me) on dust2. Your [terrorist] team makes a hard rush to B, taking out the CT playing the spot. Your team puts some quick flashbangs over the wall and nades out the window. The A CT's are just outside B. Your teammate watching tunnels has been taken out by the mid CT who has flanked around through the tunnel and taken him out with a quick deagle headshot. He also has a shield. He reaches the tunnel opening looking out towards B, and just stands there with his shield covering him. At this time, the 3 A CT's standing outside begin to push in, two through double doors and one through the window. When your teammates turn to take them out, the shielder pulls his deagle and picks two off. The rest of your team is quickly mopped up.



While it may sound strategic and tactical and cool, it's not. It's main use is to waste time. Even if hiding behind the shield worked (try hiding behind a shielder sometime, the bullets pass right through him and hurt you for some reason), it'd be hard enough to cover one person considering how easy it is for an enemy to move a couple feet to the side and have a clear shot at the back guy's face. After that, you have the stupidest standoff in the history of the game. AK vs backpedalling shield. If there's anymore than 5 feet between the shield and the AK user, the AK has no chance of killing him, unless the shielder is a total idiot. By now, most league players can navigate a map backwards because they play it all the time, so backpedalling with a shield isn't a problem.



The majority of CS is public players, I know that. But it'd be nice to have something swing in the way of the league players once more. We're feeling ignored and it sucks to see crappy players catered to just because they don't like how fast an AWP is.

[Softy's 24/7 Fraggin]

keep it, but make it cheat-free and give the T' side a molotov (perhaps instead of the FB).

server admins can always disable it and the leagues already ignore it.

the fact that it's totally bullet proof is whats cool about it: nothing else in CS is. it's not logical but it's FUN, like many other things in CS.

such as:

reloading half empty clips in 3 sec.

jumping 3 stories into ankle deep water

HE nades going through THICK walls

FF dong about 1/3 damage

bullets going through walls bases on how the map compiles*

stacking players 20 high

etc...



i hope CS is always buggy and never ends developing.

[ArabTerror]

Edited by [user="238120"] @ [time="1089159255"]

omg, when did the fun in the game disappear again? Oh yes! when people like entro over here make an issue over something as small as shields.



My opinion is that the shield(modif) should stay, BUT stay as a SERVER OPTION. Why not please both parties... Can't anyone understand this?



Intelligent/skilled players shouldn't be complaining, cause countering a shield-team is one factor of an intelligent/skilled player... so if you can't, youre not who you claim to be.



CS will continue die, it needs innovation, hmmmmm I heard a cool idea about a Molotov punch... cocktail sommin' lol :)

[OLO]

OPIE wrote..

Cobbeh. Whos to say the people you play with are skilled. I bet their just better then you but there are thousands of better players that are better then them. You have no valid argument saying that since you have been around longer that you have more of a say. A 1 day old player has the same voice as you do. Grow up and Adapt And Play. The 3 words that could make the most sense in you're life.



AcolyteRedux, the shield is a excellent tool to help counter long range weapons. It's reliability decreases the closer you get to a person. Oh and in case you did not know. The knife does not go through the shield. They fixed that before 1.6 was officialy released. Sheesh, that was so long ago too. It is not a way for a "n00b to feel invincable" If the shield is used properly it can either be very effective...or not effective at all.



Even on Aztec with the AWPers and M4s as someone mentioned earlier. It's very easy to shoot around the shield at the AWPER or people behind it. If the shielder puts his shield aside at long range hes toast.



Every single weapon has ways around it. Thats why the AWP is still in the game. Because there are tactics to get around it. The shield has many tactics you can use to get around it.



The problem here is just simple. Noone Adapts to the game. I have played on many servers, and with many communities who kept the shield available on the server. It worked out well because people knew how to adapt, and there were no whiners that went "0MG!! H4CK3R!!! SHI3LD3R!!! 0MG G4Y, I DI3D!!"



If there are any filters needed, I say filter out age groups lol. The game is rated Mature for a reason. Noone under 17 should be allowed to play it. It's MATURE. And Immature is what most people are. Because of one thing. Noone knows who they are. Their all cuddled up behind there computer monitor and noone can find them.

i agree with this guy

appended @ [time="1089160837"]

every weapon is made for a reason! im so tired of noobs going "omg.. awp r for noobs~~" the shield is very useful in game.. but it is also very easy to counter it.. for those ppl that are new to this game.. practice more.. whine less thank you

[StarfuryTH]

If they can implement it properly (ex: people actually die when you shoot them from the side), sure, keep it. Hopefully, with new game physics, this won't be an issue.

[Fiyaitup]

Edited by [user="141377"] @ [time="1089166876"]

The shield should go if they can't do it better than it is done currently. The shield in all it's glitchy glory can go for all I care. CS was fine for years without it and will be fine again without it. Of course, if they were to put some balance into the shield such as a decreasing shield points stat, or maybe a gun or 2 that can at least do 1/4 dmg thru the shield or maybe a molotov cocktail for T's then I guess it'd be fine.



I don't buy this crap people are saying, "If you don't like shield you are a nub. Or you are not skilled." That is complete crap, every gun in CS has its rival, the shield is the only item that doesn't. The shield itself isn't too hard to overcome, but during a rush with a shielder or 2 and a buncha backup riflers it becomes a pain in the ass. No team should have anything that the other team can't counteract with an equal weapon or item. That idea has worked for all the team specific guns before the shield and would continue to work in CS:S.

[popewax|psycho]

I still like my original ghetto idea for the glock, alt fire is no longer 3 round burst, but a ghetto, sideways fire held at an angle so extreme that the barrel is BEHIND the shield and pressed into the ct's skull :|

[Deadly Ramon]

The shield is annoying, but so are AWP sniper campers. Tactics can be implemented to work around these.

So what if it's not realistic to have a one-handed shield that stops all rifle rounds? It's also not realistic to have in your possession a knife and an AWP and run faster while having the knife out than while having the AWP ready. Being in a zoomed mode shouldn't make you run slower, either, nor should you be able to run as fast or shoot as straight at 1% health as you do at 100% health, but imagine the fury all these anti-shield guys would exhibit if CS was changed so that your speed was limited by the heaviest weapon or armor in your possession, or if your ability to fight was impaired by your injuries. They'd move on to Half Life multiplayer.

So, granted, the shield in CS isn't realistic. See bulletproofme.com and click on the shield section to see just how strong these shields can be, and if the thought of holding on one arm a shield that takes most people a wheelbarrow to cart around bothers you, just imagine you're an extraordinarily strong body-builder and deal with it. In any case, CS is not a realism simulation, but is simply a little more realistic compared to other FPSs, at least the scifi based ones.

[Linux]

Edited by [user="168813"] @ [time="1089171903"]

Someone just put us all out of our misury and fucking stop the comments and remove the shield, burn it down, Fuck i up the ass, rape it out of CS for good. Make this fucking comment flame war end about it!!!! Valve REMOVE IT AND NEVER PUT IT BACK!!! Wasn't needed in the first place, so we can all stop bitching and I don' thave to listen to people in game and here on the comments section bitch, complain, and flame about the crap!!!!, arg, make this damn Shield war end!!!!!!! It hasn't been good, and will never be, I doubt they will fix it, they are lazy bastards that can't even release HL2... If they can't release a game, who said they are going to fix a lame shitty as shield. Remove it, and we will have one huge World party in celebration of getting rid of it. All comments here are great and stuff, but this truely needs to end, and the shield needs to be removed. Thanks for you time guys. Good luck Valve, will keep supporting you and everything you do. But just save me and the rest of these people who hate hte shield, and remove it, maybe just make a version of 1.6S, that has shield in it... Make everyone happy eh?



Hey heres an idea, lets see, how many more posts we can get about this complaining before Valve starts looking at it???? Or make we should ask Valve to post there replies and comments in here about it :) That would be grand of Valve :)

[Wishmastergr]

tbh the shield should never be player in clan matches and it should be banned from all tournaments, but its funny as hell in public gaming...i am confused...whatever happens i don't really care...i just wanna play CS:S :p