Shielding CS:S

[popewax|psycho]

Thortok2000 wrote..

In response to #627:



They need server variables for every gun/item, so that the items are grayed out and unbuyable like on AS maps. Mods shouldn't have to provide this functionality. This way the mods wouldn't have to disable autobuy either.

Is it just me or is the ability to remove certain items from the game just either A. make things worse or B. would never be implemented to any great effect?



The only items people have problems with are the AWP (which I still don't get why its a problem, I never use it but it adds a challenge to the game), the Shield (its a entirely damage proof piece of steal that is basically a way to have "mobile camping") and then very rarely with computers of today, Smoke Grenades.



Why on Earth someone would want to have the ability to disable the MP5 or the M4, is beyond me, but it would seem to cater to the power hungry server ops.

[Smurfzilla]

just remove it and put something good for both teams, no matter what map it is, i always pick t unless im in a scrim or match, so i always have to come against a damn shielder (not saying i cant kill one, its just stupid to have to run up to a guy and spray at him, thats not what u would really do if someone tried to suppress u with) so like ive said before, if u get rid of it, and put like..i dunno, something cool for both teams..

[OPIE]

CobbeH wrote..

Being around longer, and being apart of a 'skilled' community I can honestly say my view is more important for the future of CS. If you want realism go and play Rainbow 6, CS was all about fun, and even Gooseman said that he'd make CS to what the community wants. What went wrong when VALVe took over is beyond me, but what they can do is make CS: Source more enjoyable again, and by adding cockend shields and the likes it really is just going to ruin it.

AcolyteRedux wrote..

Boot the shield, it's just a way for noobs to think their invincible and they back into corners where you can't hit the silly little bastards, thus making you knife them, and so the noobies complain that your cheating because nobody ever makes knife kills

Cobbeh. Whos to say the people you play with are skilled. I bet their just better then you but there are thousands of better players that are better then them. You have no valid argument saying that since you have been around longer that you have more of a say. A 1 day old player has the same voice as you do. Grow up and Adapt And Play. The 3 words that could make the most sense in you're life.



AcolyteRedux, the shield is a excellent tool to help counter long range weapons. It's reliability decreases the closer you get to a person. Oh and in case you did not know. The knife does not go through the shield. They fixed that before 1.6 was officialy released. Sheesh, that was so long ago too. It is not a way for a "n00b to feel invincable" If the shield is used properly it can either be very effective...or not effective at all.



Even on Aztec with the AWPers and M4s as someone mentioned earlier. It's very easy to shoot around the shield at the AWPER or people behind it. If the shielder puts his shield aside at long range hes toast.



Every single weapon has ways around it. Thats why the AWP is still in the game. Because there are tactics to get around it. The shield has many tactics you can use to get around it.



The problem here is just simple. Noone Adapts to the game. I have played on many servers, and with many communities who kept the shield available on the server. It worked out well because people knew how to adapt, and there were no whiners that went "0MG!! H4CK3R!!! SHI3LD3R!!! 0MG G4Y, I DI3D!!"



If there are any filters needed, I say filter out age groups lol. The game is rated Mature for a reason. Noone under 17 should be allowed to play it. It's MATURE. And Immature is what most people are. Because of one thing. Noone knows who they are. Their all cuddled up behind there computer monitor and noone can find them.

[Rooster25]

Get rid of it. It's annoying as hell and all it does is delay the game. I'll waste a clip on a stupid guy SITTING there with a shield and around the corner comes the clean-up crew while I'm reloading. Where's the skill in that???

[unkno]

the shield should be kept in the game. shields are used for defence, if you have skills then you should be able to easily kill shielders. It doesn't even unbalance the game for T. the shields are fun to use and should be kept in the game, only problem i see with them are the exploits/bugs and the hitboxes otherwise it's good

[mazadillon]

The shield is very annoying as the hitboxes seem to be totally wrong with it, as long as it can be disabled it's ok, but in general I find it very annoying. Almost as annoying as the AWP :/

[drealiT]

get rid of that bugged pos.



a lot of you who are saying just disable it on servers aren't realizing that a lot of servers wont allow you to disable it without 3rd party software... which a lot of people dont use.



maybe if valve made a nice little command like sv_shield "0" to turn off the shield then it might work a little better.



i dont really care though, it's already banned from most leagues and pubs dont me jack shit.

[Pharlap]

keep it keep it

[lockhart]

HankPym wrote..

No, I wasn't talking inferiority of skill. You seemed to be saying that the opinions of CAL members are more valid than those of non-members.



Being in a league does not make someone's opinion any more (or less)valid than any other, which is what you were implying.

When I said 'best' I was referring to skill level.

Honestly, I hate when I get killed by someone who is just not good at CS. Because I know that a few updates ago, it wouldn't have happened, because skill, and not randomness, determined who lived and who died. You want to know why the Europeans are so much better at CS then the North Americans? Because for years they were playing 'Charges Only,' where tactics were required. We Americans were playing in CAL MR12, and tactics were much less important because one amazing player could just go on a tear and kill 4 people.

Now you just can't do that any more. One person cannot stop a rush the way that you used to be able to. It's not possible for skill to overtake a good strat. Which is why Europe will continue to dominate until someone from America manages to catch up to SK's tacticians and gets 4 other guys to work as one unit, breaking all the years of conditioning to be the lone gunman.

[g00se025]

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the shield would be way better if the more highpowered guns could shoot thru it, or at least wear it down so that it wouldnt be usable. WHOA the para could be used for something!!!

and besides, i somehow doubt that the shield could absorb an awm bullet....



and all u losers that say that u are "skilled" are basically saying that your whole life revolves around a VIDEO GAME; something that is not real. Dont make fun of people who play cs for fun just cuz u got made fun of in the locker room cuz u couldnt bench your own body weight or see your wang under your gut.

[feiyang]

[ADAMo$]

Oh no! No shields in CS. Shields are only for n00bsss :)

[Smurfzilla]

g00se025 wrote..

the shield would be way better if the more highpowered guns could shoot thru it, or at least wear it down so that it wouldnt be usable. WHOA the para could be used for something!!!

and besides, i somehow doubt that the shield could absorb an awm bullet....



and all u losers that say that u are "skilled" are basically saying that your whole life revolves around a VIDEO GAME; something that is not real. Dont make fun of people who play cs for fun just cuz u got made fun of in the locker room cuz u couldnt bench your own body weight or see your wang under your gut.

I can't bench my own body weight but I can see my wang a little bit!!

[lockhart]

I can tell I'm slowly drifting off the topic of the shield, but as MikeJ said, you can shoot through 6 feet of concrete but not 6 inches of metal.



The shield just looks rediculous. Again, because I'm somewhat a member of that community, I'd like to see a poll of CAL-M P and I members on the shield. I get the feeling it'd be at least 80-90% in favor of getting rid of it.



Thortok2000, the key thing about the shield is it doesn't impact pubs at all. It's basically the same as someone running around with a TMP. But once it gets put into league play, it screws with things a LOT. It's not that I don't want to try new tactics or anything like that, it's that it throws off the balance on all maps. If it gets down to a 2v2 situation, and the CTs have a shield and an m4, they have a huge advantage over 2 ak's. Especially if the bomb is planted. The shielder can defuse with the shield up, and the other guy can cover him AND get extra protection from the shield.

The shield needs to be balanced somehow, and the only effective way to do that is to debalance something else, or basically make the shield worthless. I don't think it's worth the balancing issue. CS:Source is going to be basically a shiny 1.6, and I really don't think it's worth spending time balancing it. If you want to work on the balance for CS2, then go for it.

[Smurfzilla]

lockhart wrote..

I can tell I'm slowly drifting off the topic of the shield, but as MikeJ said, you can shoot through 6 feet of concrete but not 6 inches of metal.



The shield just looks rediculous. Again, because I'm somewhat a member of that community, I'd like to see a poll of CAL-M P and I members on the shield. I get the feeling it'd be at least 80-90% in favor of getting rid of it.



Thortok2000, the key thing about the shield is it doesn't impact pubs at all. It's basically the same as someone running around with a TMP. But once it gets put into league play, it screws with things a LOT. It's not that I don't want to try new tactics or anything like that, it's that it throws off the balance on all maps. If it gets down to a 2v2 situation, and the CTs have a shield and an m4, they have a huge advantage over 2 ak's. Especially if the bomb is planted. The shielder can defuse with the shield up, and the other guy can cover him AND get extra protection from the shield.

The shield needs to be balanced somehow, and the only effective way to do that is to debalance something else, or basically make the shield worthless. I don't think it's worth the balancing issue. CS:Source is going to be basically a shiny 1.6, and I really don't think it's worth spending time balancing it. If you want to work on the balance for CS2, then go for it.

and the shield isnt even 6 inches, its like 1 inch or half an inch =/