David Johnston wrote..I'm pretty sure it was coming to PS2, but I haven't checked recently to see if plans have changed or what not, nor do I really care to. But, it would be interesting, to say the least.
If that's true (and I can't help but think it isn't), the company that does the port is going to have a really fun time porting all the DirectX features over...
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ps2 isnt powerful enough to handle all that. if the xbox version had to be toned down, expect the "ps2 version" to be horrible.Comment
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David Johnston wrote..
Yes. Virtually a rewrite of the engine, can't see it happening ladies.
If that's true (and I can't help but think it isn't), the company that does the port is going to have a really fun time porting all the DirectX features over...Comment
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Edited by [user="80557"] @ [time="1086443769"]Cm0ney wrote..
Actually, yes it is, but I don't think any company cares to use the time and resources ($$$) to do so.
ps2 isnt powerful enough to handle all that.Cm0ney wrote..
You most likely wouldn't even notice it, considering it's hooked up to a television.
if the xbox version had to be toned down, expect the "ps2 version" to be horrible.Comment
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n8bowa wrote..
You make good points, but what your talking about is in the works, the Infinium Labs Phantom. Basically a PC running embedded windows xp, can play crap pc games. Was at E3 not so long ago. Doesn't look terribly good tbh, good controller tho i must say. Subscription service too :/
If only some company would create a PC/Console-hybrid that supported most of the main, great functions of PC's (mouse/keyboard support, extensive online support--IE: online-browsing--, etc etc) and maintained the easy, quick, and painless setting up and maintaining of consoles, I think I'd buy it.Comment
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0 Tolerance wrote..
A new console system costs somewhere around $200-$300 and lasts for many years (About four). A decent video card alone costs $300, and are now reaching as high as $400 for the best. Now, to keep up with games, I find myself having to atleast get a new video card ($300), upgrade of RAM ($80), Sound Card ($100), and CD-ROM ($60 -- they go to shit so fast) every 2 years. This is excluding harddrive, mouse and other occassional wear outs. The difference in price is monstrous if you were to compare it to a console. Now every four to five years? Might as well throw a whole new computer in there and check the price difference. Ofcourse you get all of the other stuff with the PC, but to keep up with the latest games alone takes alot of money.
they are? compared to consoles? bang/buck? ...not to mention paying up the bunghole for a rediculous monthly subscription just for the 'privilege' to be online? i'm sorry but i dont agree with you at all on that one.
i'd suggest taking some time to learn a bit more about your PC. im almost certain you'll save money in the long run, and have a greater gaming experience because of it.
I know a good amount about PC's. I build them myself to save a little money here and there. I never said I was "PC illiterate". What I was trying to say is that nobody (to my knowledge) wants to go through all of the crap of learning about the PC and figuring problems out. They just want to play their game.Comment
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You can't really argue about gaming cost with a cs gamer. Some of them pirated their copy, not to mention the game itself will run on any POS system made past 1998.Comment
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n8bowa wrote..
1. you dont need to buy the BEST video card. the best video card will only be slightly faster than the next model down (hardly noticable speed difference, <10%) and will cost almost double (due to low chip yields at the silicon plant).
A decent video card alone costs $300, and are now reaching as high as $400 for the best. Now, to keep up with games, I find myself having to atleast get a new video card ($300), upgrade of RAM ($80), Sound Card ($100), and CD-ROM ($60 -- they go to shit so fast) every 2 years. This is excluding harddrive, mouse and other occassional wear outs. The difference in price is monstrous if you were to compare it to a console.
2. a sound card and cd rom "go to shit" every 2 years? my soundcard has been with me for almost 5 years and has given me zero problems. same with the cd rom drive, they can last much longer than 2 years son.
3. RAM you only need to buy once. buy a large amount you can afford, and forget it. ive had 1GB of RAM since almost 4 years ago. and never really had to put any more in. you put it in. and forget about it.
4. yes the price is much more than a console - thats because a PC is a versatile tool with almost infinite uses. cant really say for a console whose sole purpose is gaming.MikeJ wrote..
the cost of a game does not compare to the cost of a new computer, so they are hardly saving a lot of money by "pirating" said game. without a CD key is impossible to do anyway. how would you be able to play online?
You can't really argue about gaming cost with a cs gamer. Some of them pirated their copy, not to mention the game itself will run on any POS system made past 1998.
the requirements of the new HL build has changed somewhat. a good computer in 1998 (eg p3 350mhz, 100mhz ram, primitive AGP support) will be barely playable for cs 1.6 now. this is an estimated guess of course, for some <20fps could be playable.Comment
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Yeah I don't think any first-person shooters are going to make or break consoles any time soon. As good as Halo (apparently, I've never played it) was, I think there are other genres which are much more console-friendly.
The console market lives for sports games, racing games, anything 3rd person, and RPGs.
I'd wager that the Metal Gear Solids and Final Fantasies are more important to the console companies than most FPS games.
Then again, I'm also a big fan of Dance Dance Revolution, so there you have it.Comment
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0 Tolerance wrote..
yea but you don't need expensive internet for that
exactly right, but don't console users have to both pay for whatever dsl/cable they use plus the monthly fee for XBOXlive? that's what i was getting at. most people will be online with their computers anyway, why pay an extra ~$10/month (not sure what exactly the price is for X-live) to play the same games you could on one's PC (probably with better graphics, sound, etc. if desired as well)?
that was my point. the whole extra out-of-pocket expense. it just doesnt make sense to me to have to continue paying for a game i may have bought three years ago... ...and one i can't mod to my liking in some cases.
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Pharlap wrote...
thanks pharlap for saving me a lot of time. :-) ...thats pretty much exactly what i was going to say.
1. you dont need to buy the BEST video card. the best video card will only be slightly faster than the next model down (hardly noticable speed difference, <10%) and will cost almost double (due to low chip yields at the silicon plant).
2. a sound card and cd rom "go to shit" every 2 years? my soundcard has been with me for almost 5 years and has given me zero problems. same with the cd rom drive, they can last much longer than 2 years son.
3. RAM you only need to buy once. buy a large amount you can afford, and forget it. ive had 1GB of RAM since almost 4 years ago. and never really had to put any more in. you put it in. and forget about it.
4. yes the price is much more than a console - thats because a PC is a versatile tool with almost infinite uses. cant really say for a console whose sole purpose is gaming.
the cost of a game does not compare to the cost of a new computer, so they are hardly saving a lot of money by "pirating" said game. without a CD key is impossible to do anyway. how would you be able to play online?
the requirements of the new HL build has changed somewhat. a good computer in 1998 (eg p3 350mhz, 100mhz ram, primitive AGP support) will be barely playable for cs 1.6 now. this is an estimated guess of course, for some <20fps could be playable.
ive had the same set up for over three years now and am still able to play any PC game that has come out (mind you not with all the bells and whistles now, but the games still run smoothly). ill update my system sometime in the near future, but all ill really need to do is up my Vid card (not to anything top-of-the-line though, thats not necessary), and maybe a new CPU (currently an AMD XP 1600+), but again, nothing over the top.
very well stated pharlap.Comment
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Pharlap wrote..
No, you don't need the best video card. Though, your going to need a decent one to run the latest games sufficiently, and they cost ~$300.
1. you dont need to buy the BEST video card. the best video card will only be slightly faster than the next model down (hardly noticable speed difference, <10%) and will cost almost double (due to low chip yields at the silicon plant).
2. a sound card and cd rom "go to shit" every 2 years? my soundcard has been with me for almost 5 years and has given me zero problems. same with the cd rom drive, they can last much longer than 2 years son.
3. RAM you only need to buy once. buy a large amount you can afford, and forget it. ive had 1GB of RAM since almost 4 years ago. and never really had to put any more in. you put it in. and forget about it.
4. yes the price is much more than a console - thats because a PC is a versatile tool with almost infinite uses. cant really say for a console whose sole purpose is gaming.
the cost of a game does not compare to the cost of a new computer, so they are hardly saving a lot of money by "pirating" said game. without a CD key is impossible to do anyway. how would you be able to play online?
the requirements of the new HL build has changed somewhat. a good computer in 1998 (eg p3 350mhz, 100mhz ram, primitive AGP support) will be barely playable for cs 1.6 now. this is an estimated guess of course, for some <20fps could be playable.
I was only referring to the CD-ROM going to shit every two years. Mine and those of many of other people I know have been following this two-year-pattern for years now, and we rarely use them that much. I never said Sound Cards will be shit in two years. The problem is they start to somehow bog down your graphical performance when they get this old.
It wasn't reasonable two years ago to get 1 gig of ram; 256 or 512 was plenty enough for everything. The type of ram can make a huge difference in performance too. I'd rather spend $80 every two years instead of spending hundreds on ram that will be a slow type in the short future. There is no way you need to buy ram just once.
As I stated in my last post, ofcourse the price is much more than a console b/c it has all of the other features of the PC. It's just that it doesn't take a powerful PC to run these other features. It does take a powerful PC to run the latest games. It gets much more expensive.
I'm not referring to Half-Life. I've been repeatedly stating "the latest games". If you wanted to just run half-life, then ofcourse the PC would be a better choice. I'm talking about games like Far Cry and Doom 3. They practically eat out of your pockets.Comment
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is it gonna be just xbox? they need to make a ps2 version cus ps2 is awsome.Comment
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You don't have to pay about 300 for a videocard. I know last week I bought my ATI Radeon 9600XT for 130 after rebates. That's a great price for a very very good card.
I also built my computer about a year and a half ago. I got an Athlon XP 2000+ and mobo for about 100 bundeled together Along with an 80 gig hd for 30. I got a gig and a half of ram for about 100 I got two CD burners for free after rebates (52x24x52), I got a case for 10, and I got my TI4200 for 75. Although I upgraded that not so long ago. I was also running onboard sound until last christmas. I didn't have to buy XP because I had a copy of windows 2000 laying around from when I hosted some servers so I just used that. It wasn't all that much for a great system and it has kept up with the games for the longest time. I got all of these deals at Frys Electronics, I love that store.Comment
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Edited by [user="3256"] @ [time="1086455992"]n8bowa wrote..
there are many types of people that like to upgrade their computer frequently. i used to do that. but now i really cant be bothered any more, so i just buy the best i can afford, and make sure the hardware is set up correctly - so hopefully in the future i wont need to open the case for a few years. unless something breaks of course.
No, you don't need the best video card. Though, your going to need a decent one to run the latest games sufficiently, and they cost ~$300.
I was only referring to the CD-ROM going to shit every two years. Mine and those of many of other people I know have been following this two-year-pattern for years now, and we rarely use them that much. I never said Sound Cards will be shit in two years. The problem is they start to somehow bog down your graphical performance when they get this old.
It wasn't reasonable two years ago to get 1 gig of ram; 256 or 512 was plenty enough for everything. The type of ram can make a huge difference in performance too. I'd rather spend $80 every two years instead of spending hundreds on ram that will be a slow type in the short future. There is no way you need to buy ram just once.
As I stated in my last post, ofcourse the price is much more than a console b/c it has all of the other features of the PC. It's just that it doesn't take a powerful PC to run these other features. It does take a powerful PC to run the latest games. It gets much more expensive.
I'm not referring to Half-Life. I've been repeatedly stating "the latest games". If you wanted to just run half-life, then ofcourse the PC would be a better choice. I'm talking about games like Far Cry and Doom 3. They practically eat out of your pockets.
my computer would be considrered "shit" by any teen nerd out there who's life revolves around computers and virtual friends, but for me, like zero tolerance said, as long as it plays games at an acceptable level, then i really cant complain.
squeezing a few % extra performance out of a computer may be an interesting challenge, but it doesnt really interest me that much any more. as long as it does what i want it to do, im happy.
on a sidenote, i find it pathetic how many preboxed computers come with a pitiful 256mb RAM, even in this day and age, 256mb was what i had back in 1998. a year later it was 512mb, a year or so after that, 1gb. and i still felt it wasnt enough (damn you microsoft). i guess RAM chips are getting more and more expensive. especially those high speed DDR ones.
the computer industry is fuelled by money. as any other is im sure. but for computer companies, the lack of intimate knowledge of computers is what drives their sales higher and higher. people who think that price dictates performance are the types that the computer hardware industry aims for. a $500 video card ? pff, with a bit of tweaking im sure a sub $200 card will perform near as well as the one which probably costs more than your computer at present.
when people see huge numbers (9800XT, 5200, 3600 etc etc) they think, "big numbers = big performance". thats what hardware companies rely on. nothing could be further from the truth however. as a hardwrae engineer i know exactly what makes these components tick and what clever marketing tactics companies use. but people will just keep consuming and consuming regardless of what other "informed" individuals tell them. deep down inside they still think "big numbers and expensive prices = something worthy of it".
u say its a bad idea to buy ram more than once. what i do is buy the fastest RAM thats supported by the memory controller on the motherboard. buying anything faster will either result in instability or redundancy.
if you want the absolute best, then be prepared to pay (ie waste) a lot more. but if you have half a brain and any sense of money saving, then you would realise that buying something thats almost the best, but not THE best will save u a lot.
its like getting a porsche vs a BMW. a BMW will do almost the same as a porsche (get you from A->B), but slightly less quickly.
im being simple, im no car geek, but hope u understand the analogy.
all PCs perform the EXACT same funtions. except some do it faster than others. sometimes this increase in speed isnt justified by forking out such extortionate amounts of money ($500 for a gamers video card rolf). of course bloatware and artificial slowdown of software does prompt people to buy faster hardware - software and hardware companies are very closely linked in the way they help each other to achieve better sales.
good example is MS office. how many CDs does office 2004 take up now? is it something like 3? or maybe its one DVD. for what? exactly the same programs that were first introduced like 10 years ago? rediculous.Comment
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