Cliffe On Balance

[Relica Religia]

Those changes look DAMN good.



Glad to see the CS team thinking again.

[Bokuho]

HoMiCyDe wrote..

its clear that alot of the guns just plain suck

dont force people to use them by making guns that are effective more expensive

But it doesn't matter. See, eyah, now you may have to buy 'worse' guns, but so will everyone else, so it balances out fairly. Which would you rather have, everyone on AK/M4 and being killed in half a second, or everyone on P90s and UMPs and you actually getting a chance to play the game before you go down? I know that I myself would rather everyone used the 'worse' weapons, that way everyone would live longer and you wouldn't have those long boring periods of time just sitting staring at the screen chatting to the other dead people while the two AFKs stand motionless...

[Purple_93]

p90 $1900 YEAH!

[kerosine99]

the p90 is already amazing, and now they're dropping the pricetag... i'm very excited.



and i really am serious.

[GonePostal]

The CS community has been needing balance in the weapons longer than most here can remember. Changing the money system does nothing for the core community, and league play is a pipe dream as well. CS has been slowly losing it's popularity, and for good reason. The game is flawed and the community is not going to wait around forever until CS2 comes along. Changing the money system will do nothing for the popularity of CS. People want to play the game, not watch others play with a flawed one. Once you've played a few rounds, those money changes won't mean shit. Let the leagues customize the prices, the CS community should control the weapons.



It's like beating a dead horse. Isn't it?

[Lucky666]

first of all i have to state that i really liked the buffing up of autosnipers, and elites (not because now i can abuse them all rounds but because now you actually have a chance with them) i think that something similar should be done with the other weapons.

The m249 should really fulfill its role as a supress weapon(like drasticly decreasing initial acc. but increasing damage and giving it small spread when ducking but no or very small acc. runing).

The other thing that could be taken care of is the sniper class they shouldnt be involved in CQC take the pistol from an awm r sig550 g3, so a close support man should stick with them protecting fromshort range attacks. longer zooming and shooting should also be good. this would improve overall teamply i think.



and a personal favorite make the m3 spread smaller like 2 meters on 50 m:)))

[Supersonic^]

Edited by [user="43212"] @ [time="1080727426"]

Changed my mind.



The updated prices are OK, apart from the AK, which should be $2800.

[XTRMNTR]

I don't agree with all the changes, but some seem like a good idea.



The reason why CS is dying is not because of the changes, but because it's getting old. Think how many games are still based on the HL engine...



Now think of how many are built on something more advanced. And GonePostal (see post #154) has a very good point. How about they make it a server side option to adjust prices of weapons...?

[-:Nighthawk:-]

I'd probably keep a good $200 difference between the AK and the M4 simply due to the M4's well-known superior "spray and pray" abilities when the crap hits the fan. Aside from that, what the heck, go for it.



When the Galil and FAMAS came out (and for the love of all that is good in this world, stop calling them by the made-up names already, haha) along with the shield, all I wanted to do was screw around and play with them, get a feel for their accuracy, power, or usefulness in various situations. It was a little injection of new life into a game I've loved for years.



Now we have some price changes to spice things up. I'm all for them in all honesty. Sure, it'll change stuff a lot, and make the economics confusing for a while, but you know what? I'm fine with that. Do it, screw things up a little and let us see what it plays like. Who knows, maybe it won't be half bad, and we'll start to remember the days when the P90 was the true ownage weapon, and have some fun with the other guns.



Ultimately, it's a game, and games are meant to be fun. I think it's going to be a lot of fun the first time when I see a group of players use UMP's to slaughter their foes who decided to save outright.



Reading the comments over the course of this discussion has been quite amusing, I must say. I enjoyed Thortok's comments, admittedly, along with a select few others of you. My only real disappointment was to see that apparently our old troll Gary Newman has been reincarnated with red lettering under his name, ugh. The only enjoyment I got out of that guy was banning him for a few weeks. We can only hope this new troll will meet the same fate.



Anyway, another thanks to Cliffe for putting this out for the community to discuss, even if the CS community unfortunately is largely composed of highly opinionated and change-fearing adolescents with mouths of pirates. :)

[Para?noid]

I'd like to see just a slightly wider price-gap, as Nighthawk said, between the AK and colt, but other than that... yeah the changes look alright to me on first glance (I can't comment on the implications they might have for clan play, because I only play in pubs).



Speaking of whom, Nighthawk, why'd you gotta be so goddamned nice all the time?

[stevomanevo]

by 5 in clip you mean one in the barrle too... riiight? :p

[Supersonic^]

Edited by [user="43212"] @ [time="1080739364"]

Cliffe wrote..

228 compact: 550 (old price: 600) - I agree with that

Five Seven : 600 (op: 750) - Definitely

Elites : 700 (op: 800) - Same as above



m3 shotty : 1400 (op: 1700) - This needed doing ages ago



MP5: 1700 (op: 1500) - I'm ok with that

P90: 1900 (op: 2350) - Dont care, crap gun anyway :P

TMP: 1200 (op: 1250) - same as above

Mac10 : 1100 (op: 1400) - Whooohoo!

UMP : 1400 (op: 1700) - Whoohooo!!! UMP is 1337 for "pop from behind walls-get a quick double hs" kills



IDF Defender : 2400 (op: 2000) - Little too expensive

Clarion : 2300 (op: 2250) - OK

ak-47 : 3000 (op: 2500) - Should be $2800

M4: 3100 (op: 3100) - Make it $3300 if AK is $3000

Bullpup: 3200 (op: 3500) - OK with that

552: 3300 (op: 3500) - Very good

AWP: 4900 (op: 4750) - I'm OK with that

Para: 4300 (op: 5750) - I like that. Maybe increase its RoF only slightly



» with slightly increased dmg and slightly better accuracy on TMP and Mac10 - REALLY LIKE THAT idea

» AWP 5 in clip - LIKE that idea

superm0nk wrote..

Cliffe's making money working for VALVe and monitoring CS.



You, on the other hand, are complaining about changes to a computer game on an Internet message board. Who needs to get a life?

Nice one He was pwn`t!

QuickDraw wrote..

u stupid son of a bitch, i dont in any way want this change, thats why i said fuck off. you must be really retarded and cannot read. i couldnt have made it any more clear. I LOVE THE WAY IT IS NOW I DONT WANT THE FUCKING MONEY CHANGES. THATS WHY I SAID IF YOU DONT LIKE IT GO PLAY SOMETHING ELSE. YOU STUPID SHITHEAD.

omg like whoa dude like yeah um dude... gooo squirtle? rawr

QuickDraw wrote..

1. yes i read it (your post)

2. ak > m4 (this made the ak have less recoil in 1.6 if you havent noticed, go knock urself out)

3. you wondering if anyone would read ur post when u didnt even read the posts other ppl made. i said that they should consider a $32,000 wallet if they were to implement the price changes.

Recoil in AK is UNCHANGED nub

MikeJ wrote..

Let's stop talking about QuickDraw now, thanks.

Ban him... from breathing.

Def1ance wrote..

If they do increase the prices, it would make sense to make the max money a bit higher, I dunno if 20k is enough, I would go for 25k.

I disagree. If anything they should make the maxmoney LOWER to perhaps $15000, so games are less predictable & fun.



$25000? Are you mad? MOST prices have gone DOWN!



P.S I can't wait to see some of the less common guns being used more often. I might start practicing with them now so I can be ready when they are used more commonly.



P.P.S. Sorry about my first few posts. I should have replied in a more mature manner tbh



P.P.P.S rawR!

[Andeh]

well i definitly agree with everything said about quickdraw lol

[0marTheZealot]

Supersonic1425



you do realize that the changes don't affect why people don't buy the crappy guns. It's not because they are crappy, it's because they FUCKING suck. If they were free, I would still use an AK/M4 because those guns are accurate and deadly. And many other competetive players would feel the same way as well. I mean shit, all this changes will do is make more save rounds, harder comebacks and slower gameplay.



75% of all pub players won't even notice the change, or care deeply about them. But clan wars will be affected big time. They just put in a change (for the better I might add) to the money system that makes it just about perfect right now. Fewer save rounds, faster gameplay, more entertaining sport.

[RaptorRage]

There are no crappy guns, just lazy players that prefer the user friendly rifles that get easy kills. Last time I checked all the guns in CS can damage a player.