I know you weren't talking about that. I figured that out the first time I read your post. And just like with GonePostal I never disagreed with you. Maybe you 2 should read MY posts, hmmmmmm.
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More propaganda in the guise of "news" from our favorite newb Rizzuh.
Rizzuh, we all know you and your fellow low-skill players like 1.4 and have no respect for those of us who prefer the more skill-intensive versions (1.3 and prior).
Why don't you just shut up after you post the news? Why do you have to feed us your pro-1.4 propaganda?
Answer: because your viewpoint is in the minority and since you have no journalistic integrity, you abuse your status in the community to force your poorly-formed opinion on the majority of the community who has more time and skill invested in playing CS than you ever will.
You are a sad example of what is wrong with the media in general.
NickAdded @ [time="1021876824"]rizzuh wrote..
Rizzuh, if it comes down to skill in all versions of CS as you just said, then why would you choose to play 1.4 which is less fun than 1.3?
GonePostal wrote..
Aragorn, both sides do not have the same handicap since one side is camping and the other side is trying to rush in. It is much easier to camp now since stealth is so slow. You have much more time to realize where they are coming from and set up a good defensive position.
Is this why 3D beat TAU as terrorists by one more round compared to their CT victory? Oh wait, I have an explanation. Because 3D is better. All versions of CS come down to skill, not speed or camping.
Of course the defensive has the ability to get their first. That is the point. It's a game of chess. The smart thing to do is to avoid their defense and find their weakness. That is where strategy starts to come in. If the defense never reached the defensive positions first, then they wouldn't be a defense.
Dumb arguments from someone who doesn't even play CS 1.4. Camping (by offense) is almost never done in CPL-level matches and right no we're talking about the CPL.
Answer: You don't play enough to become proficient at 1.3 skills, so you support removing them from CS.
Your argument certainly is dumb, and you certainly don't play CS much. If you did, maybe you would agree with the majority of CS players who think 1.4's physics nerfs make the game slower and thus less fun.
If you want to play 1.4 fine, but you aren't satisfied with that, instead you insult everyone not of your opinion. Your stated opinion is that if we don't agree with you that 1.4 is the greatest version of CS ever, then we should just go away.
With undemocratic views like that I bet you could get a high-level job in Sadaam Hussein's govt. controlled news agency. I'll start a collection to buy you a one-way ticket to Iraq if you are interested.
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1.3 won yet they still are going to use 1.4, wtf was the poll for again? The CPL got a pay off.Comment
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Where do all these idiots come from?!?! Right now im speaking of archon777 and his laughable attempt at flaming rze. I like how you assume that anyone who likes 1.4 must suck at it and that the 1.3 lovers are of much greater skill. Well, I personally love 1.4 and would own you every round we play. I would do the same in 1.3. Want to find out?Rizzuh, if it comes down to skill in all versions of CS as you just said, then why would you choose to play 1.4 which is less fun than 1.3?
That statement removes any credibility your post might have had.Comment
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"Of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong."
"Propaganda" my ass.
If you really want an opinion crammed down your throat, feel free to tell me. I'd be happy to oblige.Comment
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JewToTheRescue wrote..
It doesnt remove credibility at all. Everyone I know thinks cs1.3 is much more fun than 1.3....perhaps thats why there are now no cs1.4 servers in my community - only 1.3 and less players in that cos they got pissed off with the 1.4 messup...
Where do all these idiots come from?!?! Right now im speaking of archon777 and his laughable attempt at flaming rze. I like how you assume that anyone who likes 1.4 must suck at it and that the 1.3 lovers are of much greater skill. Well, I personally love 1.4 and would own you every round we play. I would do the same in 1.3. Want to find out?
Rizzuh, if it comes down to skill in all versions of CS as you just said, then why would you choose to play 1.4 which is less fun than 1.3?
That statement removes any credibility your post might have had.
It's entirely true that players who like 1.4 are ON AVERAGE (notice the word average) much less skilled than those who prefer 1.3. 1.3 is a game of flare, tracking players by sound, ambushing, close q combat, and a whole load of other equally cool things. CS1.4 is basically a newbie game not because im slapping the n00b word on it to make it sound bad but because it is...In cs1.4 you get to teams camping in dark corners and its a waiting game to see who is stupid enough to move first...Of course what happened to completing objectives like rescuing hostages. I have to say ive played 100s of hrs of 1.4 and not once have i seen a rescued hostage!!!!......
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I think 1.4 should be withdrawn and re-designed with all the bug fixes but no affect to gameplay...ffs it was a BALANCED game - thats why so few changes have been made. The changes made in 1.4 threw the balance right off - hey you might as well give the cts a heavy machinegun or something....maybe a mortar....that would have the same effect and any good player knows it.Comment
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Uh huh. Right. CS has had camping in it since DAY FUCKING ONE, dicklick. Why don't you just come out and say it? "Hi, i'm a retard that wants both teams to constantly keep moving in broad daylight because i have problems understanding the concepts of stealth and strategy".
"Balanced" how? Exactly what part of 1.3 did your pea brain perceieve to be anywhere near "balanced"?Comment
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Counterstrike 1.3 has recently been replaced by the new mod CS1.4.
The Significant Changes That Have Been Made:
1) walking speeds have gone down to almost crouching speed
2) Pistol accuracy while jumping has gone down
3) Staggered Jumping
4) Headbox changes
5) Weapon Switch times
Comments Made By Those In Favour Of 1.4:"I cant believe that these people who are whining are spending their time bitching when they could be adapting to the new update. If you dont like it, too bad, go play another game"
I have seen this comment over and over and over again. Basically most of the time its people who either were new to cs anyway and so dont care about the old skills or were really bad at 1.3 and hope there camping will be more effective in 1.4"It was a physics bug! You "should" have walked the same speed in every direction and now you do" by rze
this was rizzuh's reply to the the issue of differeing walking speeds. The concept of waling the same speed in every directions is a joke. Ok everyone get up and walk in different directions - I think you will find that you walk in very different speeds dependign on your direction."and I don't see this amazing amount of camping that you seem to experience. Why is my game so much different from yours?" by rze
Quite simply yes it is...In an average game youl have newbies running around like headless chickens so of course you will have camping. In a clan match you will find every possible advantage explored - If camping is the most reliable way to win then thats what the team will be forced to do (even if they hate it and I certainly do)"I support 1.4, I never jumped much anyway only when i had to get on top of something"
Yep you never jumped...So how do you know what your talking about? If your going to approve or disaprove of the jumping changes then obviously you have to know how to jump in combat...Its like asking men what tampon brand they prefer..."I have to disagree about all the top/pro/L337/what ever players calling 1.4 a "newbie mod". The majority of people that I have talked to about it either have no opinion or like it"
Yes the majority said that did they? Well I know this will come as a shock but did anyone realise that MOST players are newbies? So in other words what your saying is: 'I have to disagree about all the top/pro/L337/what ever players calling 1.4 a "newbie mod". The newbies that I have talked to about it either have no opinion or like it'"I'm glad they're sticking to CS 1.4, it would be ridiculous if they actually chose to run 1.3 for the WC. I was really shocked when I saw the poll come out on their site, but now some of my confidence in their intelligence is restored"
Hmmm 1.3 < 1.4 therefore 1.4 MUST be better...simple maths isnt it... =)"Still balanced. Everyone else has the same handicap. And both teams have the chance to be the defending team."
Well lemme see...so what your saying is instead of 2 relatively equal balanced games to decide a match each team has a go at fighting impossible odds and the team that fucks up the least wins...doesnt sound like cs to me...You used to be able to describe cs with 1 word - BALANCE"Of course the defensive has the ability to get their first. That is the point. It's a game of chess. The smart thing to do is to avoid their defense and find their weakness. That is where strategy starts to come in. If the defense never reached the defensive positions first, then they wouldn't be a defense." by rze
Rze you have clearly never played against a really well disiplined side in a good defensive position. In 1.3 it was already VERY difficult to take a well held position even with nades. It was possible though and that made it a challenge. In 1.4 it IS impossible. I garantee if you give me my clan on italy in the 3 lil rooms that lead to the ct spawn window and we are allowed to camp there with a hostage we will litterally get 15-1 kill ratio even if you send 50 players against us. In 1.4 there is no chance of 'finding their weaknesses' because a top side will have NO weaknesses....simple to understand"Every heard of flashbangs? "
Yes I have and I dont think much of them unless i can surprise them or use them in a large space with multiple enemies. The first thing a pro will do when he sees a fb is do a 180 fast turn and turn back as soon as it has blown. With that youl he will be very slightly blinded which has virtually no effect at all other than giving him a headache in the morning. In fact using fb against a prepared pro will more likely blind you than him...think about it..."100 idiots complain that they cant jump anymore. boohoo. go play quake if you want deathmatch. Stop complaining"
Jumping was an integral part of the game and it wasnt a quake style thing either. In quake people jump continuously - they never stop. In cs a pro will jump maybe 5 times in a round and 3 or so of those jumps will be to rally for a position fast after they spawn. Only a newbie jumps around like a jack in a box because the first thing i will do is pull out my glock, single fire you till you jumping and not moving then pull out a big gun at my leasure and blow your stupid head off....If we cant use jumping anymore why have a jump key? Why not have a camp key instead?"CS has had camping in it since DAY FUCKING ONE, dicklick. Why don't you just come out and say it? 'Hi, i'm a retard that wants both teams to constantly keep moving in broad daylight because i have problems understanding the concepts of stealth and strategy'.
HAHAHAHAHAH...have to laugh sorry...Every good player knows that camping is a bad tactic and should only be used under very rare, and specific circumstances...If you camp against a good player I garantee you will be shot up whle taking a dump...Good players check every corner as they move and know exactly the best spots to camp - you will have no advantage at all...I do understand stealth and strategy and I can tell you now that cs1.4 has devalued those very concepts...Finally cs1.3 WAS a balanced game. The terrorists could rush as a team and overwhelm camped down cts defending positions or vica versa. Both rushing and bombsite defense had there advantages and disadvantages...now the advantages whave radically swung to the defender - upsetting the BALANCE
Balanced" how? Exactly what part of 1.3 did your pea brain perceieve to be anywhere near 'balanced'?"
Comments Made By Those Not In Favour Of 1.4:"You guys never jumped because you are frigging newbies.. you dont see the advantage and thats why you always die more, it was more skillful to jump and mess people up with your pistol. they need to put quick switch and pistol accuracy back in"
God how I love fast switching between the pistol and fast smg...god the overwhelming cs knowledge and skill needed to use this tactic made it a rare skill but one that also gave you imense surperiority once you did learn it (reward perhaps?)"Unless you just suck and never used stealth in CS to it's full potential, stealth makes up a huge part of CS. And if you can't move fast enough while being stealthy, you might as well just be sitting still. Yes, you can still use it, but is it anywhere near as effective as it should be? It's barely any faster than crawling. If CS 1.5 came out and all the weapons except knifes were removed, and you were told to adapt, what would you think? It's pretty much the same thing with stealth. Stealth is not very useful anymore."
Exactly the balance has been ruined and stealth (something cs is famous for) has died. May it RIP died 2002 at the hands of dumb programmers and inexperienced playtesters..."These changes do not encourage the objectives to be completed because you have very little chance of rushing to the objective and living."
Yes I was wondering what those dudes called hostages were doing just standing around...And why do I have this heavy bag strapped to my back...maybe its a nike ad...Comment
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Edited by [user="17803"] @ [time="1021907076"]
kinda wierd....
we ppl in the middle fight amongts u'rselfs bout 1.4, breaking up da comm....
while top clans continue to play to b da best usin 1.4.....
y?
can sum1 xplain tiz to me???
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cos better players are always better whatever shitty mod you use...1.4 is shite and every good player knows it but if the tourney organisers do the old 1.4 > 1.3 therefore we use 1.4 then the players they have to use 1.4 however less enjoyable they find it....there you are explained...Comment
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CS 1.3 or 1.4.. Whatever.. I'm playing CS since beta 1.0 april 1999, and I still enjoy and kick ass in it.. Especially now that the battyboy cheaters are being banned I feel CS is more fun again.. Who cares what version every individual person likes or not.. There are over 10 million people playing the game.. CS always moved on, and so did it's players.. That's also why it's still fun to play after 3 years..
Go away battyboys!Comment
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CS 1.4 requires MORE skill than 1.3. End of motherfucking story. Now go flame the counter-strike.net forums and leave the comments here for people that actually like CS.Comment
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JewToTheRescue wrote..
In what way does camping and spraying (minus the praying) your weapon in the general direction of the enemy involve more skill than using stealth and aiming at the enemy?
CS 1.4 requires MORE skill than 1.3. End of motherfucking story. Now go flame the counter-strike.net forums and leave the comments here for people that actually like CS.Comment
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Edited by [user="17803"] @ [time="1021941279"]
here we go again....
camping, assaluting, changes... wateva...
juz get on wit it.....
close tiz 'forum' already....
we aint doin ur self good tiz way......
u cant change .4 alredy... go tell those cs-team wat u want in .5
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Yeah GonePostal, I don't use stealth when im playing, and I don't aim either. I just sit in a dark corner and wait for someone to walk past my crosshair. But since everyone is camping (according to you) the rounds just run out of time. gg Postal.Comment
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