mailbag: CS 1.4

[fB.bLaCKaT]

It takes time to get used to; Just yesterday I had a LAN-practice with some of my clan-mates, and we were all sucking due to not being used to the jumping and the new aiming.



By the middle of the day we were all back to our normal skills. Jumping really didn't effect anything, you just need to now learn how to use the surroundings more.



I've been playing since beta 1 (full time since beta 3) and I can safely say that this is the best CS release that I've seen. The hitboxes are finally great (in my opinion); spectator rocks; jumping is much better (it hasn't changed all that much, you can still get a few jumps off before it starts bogging you down); and anti-cheat will rule the internet.



This isn't including all the little fixes; models being mirrored (really cuts down on my realism pak updates); bodies on the ground... finally!



Just a few bugs that I've found within the first few minutes of LAN play.



- the 'death' cam doesn't always zoom to your body when you die; sometimes your missing your body

- some map issues with the new jumping system

- The NON-removal of shitty maps: ie; de_storm, de_torn, cs_siege (I've hated siege the WHOLE time)

- mouse issues with logitech mouses (maybe all of them)



That's my grieves; good job Valve; great CS1.4 release coverage Rze

[mycon911]

I have a great idea. You should have a option to have 1.3 jumping for the first 30 seconds of game play, that way you can get where you going without having to worry about the slow down. After 30 second you go back to 1.4 jumping and you don't have to worry abou those damn bunny hoppers! MUAHAH, err, yeah!!

[Xurreal]

Edited by [user="4881"] @ [time="1019996157"]

Another thing, i forgot the mention is the helmet. If you bought the helmet (or you haven't...i haven't tested it out yet) when you get shot in the head your screen won't tilt like it used, not that big of a change. Since it isn't a core part of game, buying an auto shottie and annoying awper aim. But i might prove that the game might be slanting to the snipers side.

[Inquistor]

That just sux

[fungusboy]

well i have to say one thing.. if c-s was realalistic there would be no cross hair at all, the cts would always have the advantage of weapons and armour( plus they could call in airstrikes bring in tanks and so fourth.) and the terrosits would have to buy the bomb and they would have to find hostigies and "hold" them... So cs is not that realalistic.

[Griffin]

Hmmm Jumping issues aside has anyone seen screen shots for OGC 8.0.Yes its a client side HOOK!.Nice VALVE! that was supposed to have been stopped from happning.No it has not been released just some screen shots.Man maybe VALVE! should have accepted Vasilys offer awhile back to help make HL/CS cheat free for a fee of course cause they certainly have no clue how too!

[Ol_Dee]

Ah CS 1.4, i have been playing it everyday since it was released now, atleast 2 hours a day, so yeah it is still fun to play with, BUT.....



Slowing walking down, whats that all about ? I guess nobody knows, the ppl who thought about the idea in the first place remain silence.

The effect of the game is that everbody is clamping around making lots of noise, no realism there, except for in the end of a round when there are only 2 - 4 players left and the all sit still listening, or 'walk' slowly slowly, while the *dead* sits there whining about how boring this is..



Jumping: I really enjoyd jumping around before in cs, just for the fun of it, and ofcourse to evade bursts of bullets in combat, now the fun of jumping is gone, i never thought jumping in combat was a problem or ruined the game, now i just see how much it added to the game, there was nothing like when you usp:ed a guy with a awp or ak, evading his fire with jumps, it was a rush, now you cant do that anymore, now i atleast wait and think twice before a go up against a guy when im only having an pistol.

But this change is one of the things i thought i would whine about the most, but now it doesnt bother me that much, perhaps cause there are alot things that are so much worse...



Pistols: ehm.. perhaps i should say weapon inacuracy, but what i dislike the most is the fact that now you cant hit were you aim with deagle n usp while moving, theres alot of talk about skill here and skill there, ofcourse you can learn to play with it but with the pistols in 1.4 the randomness in where the bullets end up is absurd, ppl say that its more realistic, bs, it wasnt easy running around with a gun killing ppl (guess thats why many ppl prefered colt/ak/awps instead of running around with the desert eagle all the time) it was hard pulling of a hs while jumping, but it happened, and if you aimed at a persons head and pulled the trigger, thats were the bullet would end up, now youre better of aiming beside the head it seems like. (so stupid)



It seems like the ppl coming up with the ideas to the changes made in cs 1.4 wanted to eliminate much of the skilled players playing style, when ive been playing with awp and deagle the last couple of days it have been a disaster ( not saying im one of the skilled guys, i just know i can hold my own ), now i miss alot of more shots with the awp, cause i move sligthly or just stopped moving before i fire a shot, then i jerk out the deagle step aside from enemy fire and start blasting, my crosshair in on the target, right on, but the bullets fly all around... now i never been using the awp that much, but now theyve made it so random its no skill, just luck if the enemy dont frag you when u must remain still to have the bullets hit where you aim.



Then ppl say its more realistic, i dont think it was realism they had in mind when doing these changes, there are alot of other more serious things to go after if you want it to be more of a simulation.

I just know that i want a fun game to play, some ppl might think its more fun now, i still enjoy CS, but i dont think its going in the right direction adding randomness the way they have done in CS 1.4.

[drbanjax]

Hey its not that bad, as for the jumping thing do you really think proper ct's and t's leap around like loons. At the end of the day counter strike is not unreal tournament. maybe they should have sorted out some of the minor bugs before release but you cant expect everything.

ps love the post death views.

drbanjax

[GonePostal]

rizzuh wrote..

How can I be biased in a comments section? You have said that I am biased about four times now. Even when I never posted my comments on the jumping on the news page, I was being biased. Clearly.



It is impossible to do these moves when someone is moving and you are moving. You can take 20 seconds to get that shot, but not 150 milliseconds. I have absolutely no need to prove this, I'm sorry if common sense doesn't hold out and you people won't admit your own limits. Not even 3D or NiP can do this or they WOULD.

Actually this is the 1st time I have said that you were being biased. Other people have said it multiple times. I don't believe you were being biased on the mailbag, but you were being totally biased how there is no skill in headshots at 70 yards. You don't even want to hear how it's possible. That's being stuburn and pig headed. You don't need 20 seconds for the shot, just 1. Have you ever thought that NiP and 3D just might not be the best players in the world? There are very skilled players out there that just don't compete in leagues.

Added @ [time="1020001443"]

RockSteady wrote..

i'm gonna have to side with the boss, on this one. if you read the summerblue report, you'll find that after the first bullet, the bullet spray is completly random. also, you can't aim for a single pixle at such a long range. therefore, it does have some degree of luck in it.

You only need 1 bullet for a headshot if you know what you are doing.

[vapor (v4p0r)]

quickswitch removed? i have made a few binds that can take care of that =D

[dadude2249]

Well I have to say that the first time i played it i wasnt to impressed it was 11:30PM in UK on release day as it came out at 7PM it took me ages to get on an availible server and d/l it. I blame my tiredness for thinking that this update was no good as friday night i went on a uk2 server (usually half the players are cheaters) and played for 4 hours straight the first time i ever dont a session that long and i enjoyed every minute of it. The jumping i no biggie and som1 said they couldnt rush you should have seen me as T on dust a sprint to B1 = a couple of kills on a good round. I havent played chateau yet because my vers. differs from server i have the version where the cstrike folder is in the half life folder was their an error in the update again??

[kc01]

i for one am adapting to 1.4 ... i kinda like the new tweaks... but plz some1 answer me:

1) what the heck does 'cheer' do? it's in the controls menu, last one, and i have it bound to 'v' ... but i press it and nothing really happens (at least not that i know of)... do my arms go up and i 'cheer' or something?

2) why the frick does it take so long to exit the game now, it takes like a whole year to exit from the internet game list, to the main menu, then u can press exit, is it just me (WinXP, p3 550, 384 ram) ?

[canadibu]

Edited by [user="25439"] @ [time="1020003479"]

CS 1.4 has its bad points and its good points (just like any other release), but remeber... more realistic does not mean more fun. A game's main aim is to have fun, not feel realism. If you want to feel realism, go play a sim game or sumthing.



Anyways, in 1.4, I feel that the jumping thing is really annoying, i get pissedoff everytime i jump. if you people would make the guy slow down after 3-4 jumps.. then i think that would be better. Besides... u guys have already (or more or less) got rid oh bunnyhopping in 1.3 already, i don't see why this feature has to be implemented in 1.4 as it is annoying. And... doesn't mean Ksharp says that the jumping is unimportant means its okay. maybe.. To HIM.. its unimportant (as it might not affect his playing style)... but NOT TO OTHERS... so think about the others for crying out loud. Besides, snice he said it is unimportant... there is no harm brining it back. If you bring it back.. majority would be happy, don't u think?



Secondly, about the +moveup... i feel that everyone would be much happier if you people would make the +speed have the same walkin speed as +moveup... cause +speed itself is far too slow...it WILL discourage stealth. And for people who strafe alot while marking angles, running is far too fast.. and inaccurate.. maybe that is why some people are used to +moveup when marking angles.

Besides, i feel that +moveup is the command which engcourages stealth. If you remove it and force people to use +speed. Then... i guess... more people would be running and stealth would be rare.



I am not sure if the new crosshair thingy does affect a person's accuraccy.. but from what i read here... it does not... i shall not comment much on it as i think its alright...

BUT.... BUTT!... i read tt some ppl saes tt yr accuraccy is decreased while running or jumpin..., IF that is true... then i think it won't be that nice any more. I mean.. c'mon.. are u going to encourage campers and squatters? Then what abt the players with a strafing style of playing? Discourage them from strafing? if so... then maybe the game would turn in to "lamers always win".

same goes for the pistol's accuracy decrement.



Remeber... critism are the factors which would improve a game...

not compliments. Compliments, yes, would make the creators satisfied and happy, it is nessasary. But! If you ask every who critises on the game to F off and argue with them that they are just being a bitch just cause the dislike the changes.. then u can must as well F off yourself... cause.. if there are people who dislikes the game... means its NOT NICE and they are not going to play it. In which, means that the game has Deproved.



The random accuracy thiny would also make the game be based on LUCK. Which can sometimes be irritating when u are a victim of someone who is lucky.



Okay.. enough of bad points already.



In 1.4 i love the new spectator system. Can finally see how people acctually play on the net! During 1.3 and the beta versions...

the only place u can see people play 1st person are only on LAN shops etc...

The HLTV incorporation is sweet. =)

Would be better if you could see his ammo.

And also would be better if your $ remaning would be more prominent.



As for the dead bodies remaining on the floor (althought creates more graphic lag) , it is good. You can at least see where your teammate just died or sumthing or where they died 3 mins ago.



The "stay still" while bomb planting is alright but i feel that, when planting bomb.. you should at least give him a little room for movement. (to adjust himself incase his ass is stickin out of the crate lol..).



And the honest players who always gets accused of cheating can finally be proven innocent.



Other than the bad points... the rest of changes in 1.4 is great...



addition -> (oh yah.. my cs gets stuck when or takes very long to close when i exit the game)

[huby40]

Edited by [user="26363"] @ [time="1020003987"]

I think the jumping puts more strategy into the game. Let's say you're in italy and you're trying to get into the hostage house. in 1.3, why would anybody go through the front door when you know that the stairs are probably being guarded? that's stupid.



But now you would rather go in the front door because it's an easier route to take. The window is harder to get to but you get the benefit of getting on the higher level.



it's the same thing with rushing. near the CT base, going up those boxes to get into the window is harder than just going right and taking that way. but you are less exposed to most suprise attacks because it is just one straight path foward and backwards.



i think it adds some more to gameplay. just a thought.....

[canadibu]

oh yah.. although this post is not in any relation to 1.4...

dammit i wish valve can remove the bug where, when u alt-tab out of the game. You can still retain your sound in the game after u return back into it..

its kinda pissin to some ppl when they press the windows button by accident and they loose their sound.