CS 1.4 Poll

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This seems like a very good approach to me with respect to the hopping: "I think the first jump should be without a stall, but another jump within a close time period would hinder that players movement"- [TuF]SpeeeD



As for pistols why not just give them kickback while jumping but not while running - that way you dont make them totally useless

[Shadow-Dragon]

Decidence wrote..

I've been playing CS pretty much non-stop since Beta 3.1 (October 99') and I pretty much love 1.4



I think its a great step forward and it eliminates the amount of times I yell "Jumping BS Deathmatch Crap" when I get BS killed... albeit I did the Jumping BS Deathmatch Crap as well, but I "had" to. But my playing style has always fit the way 1.4 seems to be targetted to and I am enjoying it. Takes alot more skill to win a gunfight now as you have to have fast reflexes and good aim, not like in 1.3 when all you had to be able to do was have the ability to jump non-stop.



[SiW] Decidence || irc.gamesnet.net -- #siw

Finally someone who understands! This game requires more concentration and less luck. Headshots do not come easy. I've been playing for only 2 days and I'm already playing better because now they cant pull off the *jump pull trigger instant headshot* trick anymore. It now makes you have to aim, have good reflexes, use strategy, work like a team, and use stealth! Man this game can seriously NOT get any better!

[[-FcG-]BanG[.SoI.]]

GG Rainbow-Strike



Played the beta and completely hated it and I know the patch is the same way. I'm not even bothering installing it since it's a waste of my time. Been a fun run but since Valve and the CS team have ruined this game IMO I am moving on to Soldier of Fortune 2 Double Helix since it reminds me of the fun times of CS. Why Valve insisted on noobing the most popular game on the net is beyond me. I know many people that have given up on you guys with this patch.



GG Rainbow-Strike

[dueT]

let's get this straight rizzuh

Um, because it was a bug and it was being exploited

if it was an exploit..and it's been around since the dawn of CS..why would they release a game with this exploit, and not change it till 3 years after it first came out..that sound stupid to me.

why would a programmer release a game with this exploit, if they took it out with 1.0 i'd understand cause it came out of beta..but we are in 1.4 now

i don't think it's an exploit if they kept it in for 3 years

[Etter]

I like everything about 1.4 except being hit on the first jump. It feels too restriciting. But I'm glad to see the bunny hoppers go.

[mouth]

dueT wrote..

let's get this straight rizzuh



Um, because it was a bug and it was being exploited



if it was an exploit..and it's been around since the dawn of CS..why would they release a game with this exploit, and not change it till 3 years after it first came out..that sound stupid to me.

why would a programmer release a game with this exploit, if they took it out with 1.0 i'd understand cause it came out of beta..but we are in 1.4 now

i don't think it's an exploit if they kept it in for 3 years

Welcome to the fucktard school of reason. Student population: You.

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The thing about bunny hoping in 1.3 is that its crap...I just laugh at someone who jumps up and down side to side and fill them full off bullets - when you jump you lose a lot of directional control which makes you a sitting duck. If someone comes at me bunnyhopping i just fill him full of lead so hes jumping on the spot - never jump unless your assaulting a campers hidy spot - you just lose your accuracy.



I bunnyhop to:



1) Cover ground faster

2) Attack campers

3) look chique as I do 360 spins, twirls my m4 and open up on the enemy...



As for bunny hopping to make my self a harder target ---> that is just a joke...only newbies do that...strafing and circle strafing and pistol strafing aimed at the head does that for me



Restricted bunnyhopping on the 1st jump is a joke your testers cant be very experienced players if they insisted on that. 2nd bunnyhoping restrictions is fine since itl teach those newbie hop monkeys how to play properly.

[G|W-DeathScythe]

rizzuh whats the point in this poll???



first u say AND i quote

"if you don't like CS 1.4, please stop visiting CS-Nation."



now i know ur not a genious but im sure u would know that there would be many people that dislike 1.4.



Do the people here actually think the cs team will consider our opinions?? HELL NO!



so i dont understand the logic of this poll?? can u clarify it to me plz?

[rizzuh]

I meant to state that only to users who are going to post constantly about that. I'll delete that line anyway.



The point of the poll is to be a poll of what the community thinks.

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here's an idea: next time you update dont playtest with a bunch of inexperienced players - only test using the top players from top clans who have never used a cheat in there lives



benifits:



-the game remains one of skill and not a newbie fest

-pros know every part of the game, every tactic and what is skilled and what isnt. They know what will improve the game and what will totally ruin it.

-if the update is recommended by the top players you will get more sales wont you?? Also you wont get losers like me flaming like this



Please dont tell me the guys who tested this are top players because if they are there not in my league. IF you carry on like this cs will become a tic-tac-toe copy

[Goo5ey]

I really don't understand the fuss over the jumping, all the players that I thought were damn good before 1.4 haven't all started playing like newbies and all the players I thought were completely worthless are STILL completely worthless - but now they can blame the jumping and lack of exploits like bunnyhopping and silent walk that used to get them a couple of kills a game.



If you're crap at the game now and are pining for 1.3, chances are you were relying on the exploits that weren't meant to be there anyway. I'm not saying I'm any good, I play crap anyway, but the players I respect just keep quiet, appreciate the MANY improvements and adapt to the new gameplay.

[GLR-Kebab]

I am not an old veteran, I came in around 1.1 but sice I started playing I play far more than I should.



Regarding 1.4 I do think this has been nurfed for newbies. Most of the things that they have chaged are skills that have to be honed by playing hours and hours. They have done this to several other on-line games I have played such as Diablo and Ultima Online.



Good players will adapt and change to the new way of playing but newbies have a better starting place as they are not adapting but playing as normal.



I will look at the changes I have noticed one by one ;



When you are dead - pritty good fun to be dead now much more options, my favorite is the map over view. The 1st person perspective is also good, but i doubt that this will be of any use for spotting cheats etc as wont be on in clan matches and it may be my PC but the frame rate seems out of sync from normal play. Will be usefull for newbies though as they can watch in great detail how skilled players aim and move about the map, seeing where people check for camping spots and where not.



Pistols - I use only USP and DE, Although early opinion usp seems really bad now, DE not too bad.



Jumping - The big one people complain about. More realistic yes, better than b4 ... in some ways. I didnt like the jump shoot thing either. I do now feel vunerable when running over open areas and have little defence against AWPs. I mainly used jumping for defence, quickly getting some where ( jumping over a bridge etc ) or supprise attacks by springing around a courner. I would be happier with no pause after 1st jump, but if the jumping killing thing is the problem then why affect speed, just make it so you can not fire at all when jumping. I do however agree with the fix of the no sound jumping.



Walking speed - didnt notice any big differance ir havent played long enough.



Accuracy - may be my style of play as normal, but no big change here either ,may be as they have the same limitations as I do ( BTW b4 I get called a newbi, by saying no big change means I was still in top 3 all night on my normal server ).



Speed Walking - If you mean tapping the move keys to move not making a sound then as stated above was a skill, and wasnt infalable. But although I used it I dont think it will make a major differance.



Hit Areas - Again no real problem found so far, I hit where I aim and sunch in a real fire fight if i get shot in the head by accident I die.



On the whole I wouldnt say I like it any more or less than 1.3, its just different If I could change one thing it would be the jumping as just takes too long to move around now, without juming out of windows or over brigges or just run / jumping to get to the action.

[sinizuh]

since we're all used to 1.3, 1.4 looks bad to us.



i enjoy all the new features in 1.4, but now spray&pray hs have risen 1000%

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GLR-Kebab I can tell your a class player cos of the way your talking hehe. What do you do in 1.3 vs an awp at lr - charge him using cover with rapid firing usp... what do you dp vs that newbie awper in 1.4? heres my suggestions:



1) stand still and wave your knife at him to try to attract attention in the hop youl die faster and wont have to waste time about it

2) run away like a loser

3) get out your own awp and prove your just as lame as the other guy but perhaps more skilled.

4) spray and pray like a noob



ROFL



"Regarding 1.4 I do think this has been nurfed for newbies" - GLR-Kebab



....couldnt have said it better myself man

[Jsunu]

Im soo glad i am not alone with the cs 1.4 luvin