OGC Done

[rob99999]

i lol at u all

[UncleFu]

w00t 53/5 not a bad morning, acusations of cheating were flying around that server like a bad motherfucker.... one problem, i wasn't cheating. thankfully the server op was there and believed my "omg! i don't cheat!" pleas and let me stay. so rob999999(9) who wrote, "i hope after 1.4 comes out we will no longer see 50-5 scorelines, with peple pretending ther good." you need to know there are people that have a tiny ounce of skill and can actually do better than breaking even. and for all of you who want to go on the "you cheated and you know it rant!" go ahead, i'll make sublyme post an "unclefu doesn't cheat story" (cause he's ma' beotch). now i'm watching a rerun of people's court (which is fucking sad and tells you that i have no life therefore giving me the time to play CS 90 hrs a day and get good at it).

[Exo]

Edited by [user="2677"] @ [time="1016038770"]

In the beginning of Counter-Strike, almost the first couple weeks, is when cheating evolved. People have always and always will exploit the game to somehow gain an advantage. But the fact is, now that the main makers of OGC are done with it, the cheating will obviously decrease. You people think you'll never encounter a cheater from this day forth, you're dead wrong. In fact, I wouldn't even be surprised if this "OGC's done" is bullshit, it could be an attempt to trick us, who knows? All I'm saying is, don't expect that this ordeal is over.



CS 1.4 is a few months off, and even when it comes theres always the chance that valve gets sick of the war, and stops production of said "anti-cheat" or what-not. Cheating-Death may stop production because they "believe" the problem is gone, but them OGC comes back with a harder hit than ever.



Cheaters never prosper, but you're giving them the fuel they need to prosper. Everytime a conversation goes on like this, the cheaters get a lil' smile on their faces, and chuckle to themselves on how great they are at what they do.



Please notice how this post has goin on 100 comments. While others have 35 or less. This is the kind of thing we need to work on. You're all putting this upon yourselves.



Now one of the reasons I don't respond to these things is because I have so much to say usually, and most the time I get flamed to the point that I have to go hide in a corner and weep. So please, get it over with.



Why in god's name have you read this far.

[Drone]

Edited by [user="14068"] @ [time="1016042194"]

I'd be willing to say this will stop about 60% to 70% of cheaters for a few weeks atleast. As said their not smart enough to make their own or even use readme's on how to make one.



But ailas their are other cheats out their. And OGC will 100 to 1 keep going in an inner circle making it almost impossiable to stop. Then others will move to fill the viod.



One of 3 things will happen here. 1. With OGC no longer driving the cheaters and seeing it was beaten might make many cheaters think twice. And see in the end they will 10000000000000 to 1 lose the war. Unlikley.



2. Is not good but more likiley with OGC gone 10 guys will take it palce all with slightly diffrent way of doing it. All relesing at diffrent times and putting a huge strain on C-D and CSgraud.



3. Is the best one but most unlikly. As mentioned above perhapes and this is a massive perhapes they are running out of loopholes to use. They've been at for monuths going here their but getting cut off and unalbe to go back it may be that their running out fo ungruaded pionts to attack but that to ailas seem unlikily.



So I say this good in he short term but could be bad in the long run.

[ExodusFromEden]

Edited by [user="3334"] @ [time="1016042593"]

I haven't read all the posts, but I just wanted to get my 2 cents in.



So what if the OCG sorce has been released. Half the hackers are worthless peices of dog vommit and probably don't even know how to code. Keep cheating to your LAN Parties. Don't spread it around. You have screwed Counter-Strike...are you happy? I hope all you cheating Newbies get a virus and explode. Assholes!



May your fates be held in the hands of gods, for mortal men would crush you, having no mercy on your soul!

[CSObserver]

Not be pessemistic, but rather realistic in that I agree while this seems like a good thing - And it is - The fact is A) There will always be cheats and cheaters and B) The reason there will always be cheating (aside from people with no morals) is this:



Counter-Strike is no longer a game.



Meaning, you can play it for big money in tournaments ($150,000+) so now everyone and their uncle wants to be "leet", join a clan so they can go to a tournament and win big, big money.



As unpopular as this sounds and I am sure I will get flamed to high heaven - Especially by Clans - for saying this -- Even as I am avid, average-to-upper skilled CS player who doesn't cheat...



The real cause of cheaters and the death of CS in my opinion (and other multiplayer games) was when organizations decided to make computer games professional level sports complete with the money that other professional games come with like Basketball and Football (American Football).



As much as I like playing games, I will in no way compare it to being someone of the same skills as say Michael Jordan or Speed Skater Dan Jansen.



Why?



Because while playing computer games does involve skills and fast reflexes...



It is still a "motionless sport" and the level of endurance and other physical training needed to play is almost non-existant. Like many have said, most 12 year olds can buy CS at their local video store. Compare that to the same 12 year old who can also go play a game of basketball, BUT it is a HELL of a lot more work for that same 12 year old to become a Michael Jordan going through the ranks of high school, to college (NCAA) to the NBA.



Does this make any sense at all?



So, while I completely agree that it is good news that OGC is perhaps temporarily defeated, I think we should all look at the root of the problem as I see it.



And you don't have to agree with me.



But I thought I would bring this up because this, to me, is why CS is no longer "fun" anymore AND why cheats are so big because everyone playing on public servers is looking to join a clan (not everyone, but a majority) so their skills are very high and for newbs and people who suck (regardless of age or gender) cheats are a fast equalizer -- Even if they have no intention of joining a clan and making big money at a tournament.

[Twilight]

First off any cheat dieing is good. 2nd I never liked PB but when they died out I felt sad because what they had set out to do was a honorable thing. 3rd I use to love CSG but its way not perfect. A sever I play on all the time made a huge error and banned like 20 people. It didn't find a program on their systems ether it just rated players accuracy and banned people with high accuracy. Its appers to just be a side option with CSG I wouldn't know not an admin. But that spells bad things for anyone who can aim... But im not saying CSG sucks at all and it did help kill ogc any anti cheat is good. But its simple C-D is the best. Their new way of fighting cheating seems to work just fine. I'm actually worried about valves new anti cheat... they suck at fighting cheats and if it stops all others like C-D it could become easyer for cheaters to break the lone anti cheat. But thats just me. If it works great! done deal no prob im just saying im worried. GJ to C-D team and all others who try to stop cheating

[Mofo_Chink69]

Hacking is so fucking gay, shows that u suck at the game...

[Kurlie]

Yea, cheaters stink. My brother is one! FLAME HIM AT CHEF8KEN2@aol.com! He is trying to learn a program which makes cheats. FLAME 'EM!

[ghetto*mouse]

First off, let me say this, the cheaters out there will always cheat. Many people think it will sometime stop, but no, people have always cheated and always will cheat, that's the way it has been for a long time, no matter what game. Also, many people think that the average cheaters are pretty stupid, when infact, sadly most of them are not. I went into a server, 18 people on, and they decided to discuss how they scripted their cheats themselves. The more and more openly availability of coding books and guides to software/etc. become available, the more and more widespread this situation will become. Cheaters could care less if they hide it or show it, most of the time, if they are accused of cheating, they will either say something like "HELL YEAH! THAT'S RIGHT!" or they will say nothing at all, and most of the time, you can pick out a cheater by that. (most of the time) I've sat there and just watched what they would say to each other, ex. "Originally i made this for dod, but i converted it to cs after dod got boring to me." What does that tell you? That they are not dumb, but know enough to get the results that they want. CS Guard and Cheating Death both have failed miserably in my eyes. I've seen a cheater been CS Guard certified and CD certified too! Even on Jolt.co.uk, many cheaters roam those servers. The main way to fight the problem is simple, if you own a server, or are an admin, on weekdays between about 6-9 central time, in your server, it is almost guaranteed you will find a cheater. So do that, if you have a server, get a friend admin rights and tell him to go check on the server, and just see how many people he will have banned. Although it may not add up to over 50,000 players, if almost every server banned about 2 people per WEEK even, that would mean a lot less cheaters on their servers. If you have any friends who own servers, pass on their WONID's.



I also believe, that there should be a WONID central kind of place. There are like fifty sites out there that say, if you're banned then we'll post your WONID here, but most of the time, they are just small sites for the server. If someone made a huge site, containing all the WONID's for download, sound crazy? think about it. Ok, fifty servers send in 2 banned players each, then the site puts it on their list of over 1,000. Each week they would add all the I.P.'s, so admins could just copy and paste/etc.



Well, enough of my ramblings, peace!

[The12apist]

THIS is what i THINK is GOING TO HAPPEN.

Cheaters will NEVER go away and There will ALWAYS be CHEATERS.

Just that since 0gc stopped making there hacks and gave the code to everyone....Clans like [Japs] [myg0t] will continue to upgrade and bypass anti hack programs. Only thing different is that the most likey won't realease it to the PUBLIC. Unless they want to continue finding ways how to hide 0gc from anti-software.



Therefore, there will be less cheaters. Only the Most Trusted Memembers get the hacks and get to use it... I personally Don't really give a crap Since it's not Public. Not just anyone can Download it and use it. As for thoses who still cheat you can just Ban their gay asses.... Now the Cheaters are no longer an "Army", but only a few Pest that remain.



LoL and for thoses Noobs who still have their hacks installed into there comps and have no clue how to remove them. Lmao let's see you play on any servers without reformating. :)



This is what i think, My Opinion.

[Obsidan]

Let's end this BS.



1. 99% of the cheaters are N00bs with no skill!

2. 99% of the n00bs use OGC

3. They cant get OGC, so 99% less cheaters.



Ive had people on my server that usta get 20-4 without a sweat, but now when CD1.1 is enforced they rarelly get 6-10.

[f0liage^]

How about we look at the release of the source code differently.....

Sure JAPS and myg0t will be able to use it, but wont the anti cheat makers get access to it as well?

Perhaps they can detect the most important part of OGC (the internal organs if you like) and prevent it that way.

Then even if new cheats based on OGC code are released the anti-cheats will ban them. This would make the OGC source code completely useless.



It would also prevent future versions of OGC (and there probably will be, trust me) based on this code from working.



Im not really a programmer (only do php) but surely this will work?

[p!ge0n]

buncha things:



1. pr0pz0rz to the CD team,CSG team, pb team, jedinocheat team, paladin team, and all the other anti-cheat people who ALL contributed to this small victory over hackers/cheaters

2. as a side note, my friend, who hacks on his computer (i do not, and i look down upon his hacking ways) told me you have to try out to be in myg0t...that's just weird

3.there are probably many factors that lead to the number of heaters on servers today, but one thing is for sure; NO EVERYONE HACKS. me and my friend both have retail cs, and we both go it maybe 1 or 2 months after it went retail. we've both, then, been playing about a year, give or take a few months. now, my friend plays a whole hell of a lot, and when we sometimes go to internet cafe, or even when i go to his house, he makes shots that look like complete bullshit. my point is though, hes not bs. how the hell do you think x3 got all the way to the top (give or take)? what about NiP? or clan 1st? do they hack? NO! all you damn pessimistic commentors don't realize, CS IS NOT DOWN THE DRAIN. 1.4 comes, cheats are 99.99% gone. of course there will ALWAYS be cheaters. but, ya know what? 0.001% of ALL cs players amounts to maybe 20-30 people, of the THOUSANDS playing at any given time. the source code is out, but who cares? most of the cheats out there are:



a)intelligent people who don't realize that they are wasting their intellectual potential on hacking a freaking GAME.



b)people who have gotten sick of cs and decide it might be fun to ruin other people's cs games



c)n00bs that don't believe in people with skill, and think hacks are just a part of the game



no matter what you do, now that cs has gone retail (yay!) it also means more n00bs that might go to the "wrong side" of the war (boo!). most cheaters out there don't realize that some people are just good at the game, and they have such a low self-esteem that they can't accept the fact that they need to improve their own skill

[CSObserver]

Ghetto*mouse



I too have seen the same thing on C-D and CSGuard servers (a hacker being certified right along with non-hackers).



I even brought this up on the C-D server and was flamed because people didn't want to admit it had "failed" -- at least in that particular incident -- To catch the cheater and in addition, it was the other players on the cheaters team who flamed me (duh!).



In addition, while I DO NOT cheat, I read the technical info. on how C-D works and how it disables aimbot by giving false data to the OCG hook and other cheats .dll hooks, and I found out they state it MAY affect legitimate players games as well because it does distort the data being sent from the sever to the client regardless if you have a hack or not (which I don't of course).



I have to admit that my average score went DOWN when I had C-D installed -- And I don't know why; perhaps extra ping??? -- Compared to playing on CSGuard and non C-D servers.



Again, I brought this up with some people on the C-D server and was flamed (yet again) and called the usual "noob whiner" and other bullsh*t like that because people just do not take the time to udnerstand some of the technical things going on that WILL and DO affect the game and how you play it in their attempts to stop cheaters.



So, while I do not condem C-D as a failure, I also think there has to be a new medium that does not penalize legit players like myself (added ping, distorted data being sent to my computer) but does help prevent hackers.